Mo Williams and Delonte West on the trade block

[vgulab]

 According to multiple league sources, the Cavs are testing the trade value for point guard Mo Williams, among other players. It is part of what appears to be an effort to tweak the entire backcourt, as Delonte West is also on the trade block.

Probable destination for Mo is Toronto. Jose Calderon for Mo.
If Lebron stays in Cleveland do you think they will be better team without Mo if they bring a pass-first pointguard in Cleveland?

[ibby]

It all depends on coaching.  As they are now 90% of the plays go through LeBron.  When he is doubled or tripled team he needs shooters, so Mo is good.  If the new coach has them run a more traditional offense, which would probably be better for that team, Mo Williams (who is more of a shooting guard) does not appear to have the passing ability to work as a passing PG.

[kozlodoev]

According to multiple league sources, the Cavs are testing the trade value for point guard Mo Williams, among other players. It is part of what appears to be an effort to tweak the entire backcourt, as Delonte West is also on the trade block.

Probable destination for Mo is Toronto. Jose Calderon for Mo.
If Lebron stays in Cleveland do you think they will be better team without Mo if they bring a pass-first pointguard in Cleveland?

Bringing a PG that plays no defense to Cleveland. Yum! 

The only trade for Mo that might be dangerous is if they somehow manage to pry Arenas and Blatche from the Wizards (for Mo, West, and Vareajo, possibly).

Other than that, please, bring Calderon there -- and also let him have the ball in his hands all the time too

[vgulab]

Cavs try once again to lure Izzo from Michigan State.

I don't know who Izzo is but the Cavs want him to be their head coach

[footey]

Cleveland really can't improve its roster much even if they re-sign Lebron.  Arenas doesn't worry me, I think he is pretty much finished, not to mention crazy.

[Kwhit10]

I love how Cleveland has a different team surrounding LeBron every post season.  Good thing they keep grabbing at straws.

[kozlodoev]

Cleveland really can't improve its roster much even if they re-sign Lebron.  Arenas doesn't worry me, I think he is pretty much finished, not to mention crazy.

When you want to upgrade on talent, sometimes you have to settle for crazy. Any sort of lateral moves that the Cavs will make are not dangerous.

[Fafnir]

According to multiple league sources, the Cavs are testing the trade value for point guard Mo Williams, among other players. It is part of what appears to be an effort to tweak the entire backcourt, as Delonte West is also on the trade block.

Probable destination for Mo is Toronto. Jose Calderon for Mo.
If Lebron stays in Cleveland do you think they will be better team without Mo if they bring a pass-first pointguard in Cleveland?

The only trade for Mo that might be dangerous is if they somehow manage to pry Arenas and Blatche from the Wizards (for Mo, West, and Vareajo, possibly).

This would only make the Cavs worse. Arenas was possibly the worst defender in the league last year, whatever his offensive contributions.

Meanwhile AV is light years better than Blatche. Blatch is an inconsistant at best. His only real advantage over AV is his offensive game. Even that's spotty.

[the_Bird]

This isn't just starting to plan a salary dump?  I'd be shocked if BronBron re-ups in Cleveland.  Mo Williams is owed a LOT of money, and he's not the guy that's you're rebuilding around when Bron leaves.  Delonte's expiring, but you have to wonder if they're looking to clean house generally.  Sideshow, he'll be on the block if LeBron's gone.

Wonder how many of these guys were "Danny Ferry" guys, too. 

Cleveland's going to have a hard time getting rid of these guys, if they do need to rebuild.  Gonna be a couple of UGLY years for them.

[vgulab]

i think LeBron will probably re-sign in Cleveland so they want to suround him with diffrent type of players. They want to bring a PG who can have a 8-10asist per night and LeBron will have a diffrent role in the offense and will not be used as a PG so much. The Cavs are trying to build a team who can play a diffrent style od basketball i think that's what they are doing now

[Brendan]

Jose can shoot the three and create offense... he'd be a good compliment offensively. There problem is the stoppers they brought in - Parker and Moon - are vastly overrated. And their shooters tend to stand around and wait. They need to show them tape of Ray Allen.

[celticmaestro]

This topic somehow reminded of something I thought about in a daydream recently. Al Jefferson, Delonte West and Ryan Gomes, let's say they're all available for the right price, do you make a play for any of them if you're Danny Ainge?

[More Banners]

Frankly, the Cavs would be better if LeBron handled the ball less, allowing someone else to run the offense and set up plays more.  They get away with it in the regular season, but I think their offense putters out in a postseason series because it is relatively easy to adjust to.  Maybe that was Mike Brown's problem rather than LeBron's, but I doubt it.  Lebron moving w/o the ball would be more dangerous than LeBron with it.

Frankly, I also think they'd be capable of an 8th seed without him with Mo and Antawn working the ball, shooters shooting, etc.  With a good coach (for a change), they might upset someone in the first round.  

Could they be just good enough to keep fans interested while staying under the cap next year to see what talent is available in a dump?

Would they make a deal with the Hornets for PG Collison and one of their bad deals for relief (i.e. Delonte's non-guaranteed deal) and misc. pieces?

To be honest, I think the Cavs have enough options that they don't need to continue letting Lebron hold the entire franchise hostage like they have for the past 5 years.  They should be offering him a max deal, of course, but not turning the whole deal over to him and his inexperienced band of "business" associates.  They are really not in a position of weakness, as all the press seems to suggest.  I'd be embarassed if I had cow-towed as much as they have to such a [insert favorite derogetory label for Lebron here]!

[kozlodoev]

The only trade for Mo that might be dangerous is if they somehow manage to pry Arenas and Blatche from the Wizards (for Mo, West, and Vareajo, possibly).

This would only make the Cavs worse. Arenas was possibly the worst defender in the league last year, whatever his offensive contributions.

Meanwhile AV is light years better than Blatche. Blatch is an inconsistant at best. His only real advantage over AV is his offensive game. Even that's spotty.

Mo isn't exactly a defensive stopper either, so in my mind you're not giving up anything in this department, but you upgrade to a more skilled offensive guy.

Vareajo is a better positional defender than Blatche, but Blatche can block some shots, and will actually give the Cavs offense outside of LeBron.

Even if we agree that Blatche is a headcase and is ultimately the worse player between the two, you have to give up something to get something.

So yeah, I am somewhat worried about this possibility, especially given that there is no telling what being on a winning franchise can do to Arenas. No-one counted Ray Allen as much of a defensive player either until he came to Boston.

[Fafnir]

The only trade for Mo that might be dangerous is if they somehow manage to pry Arenas and Blatche from the Wizards (for Mo, West, and Vareajo, possibly).

This would only make the Cavs worse. Arenas was possibly the worst defender in the league last year, whatever his offensive contributions.

Meanwhile AV is light years better than Blatche. Blatch is an inconsistant at best. His only real advantage over AV is his offensive game. Even that's spotty.

Mo isn't exactly a defensive stopper either, so in my mind you're not giving up anything in this department, but you upgrade to a more skilled offensive guy.

Vareajo is a better positional defender than Blatche, but Blatche can block some shots, and will actually give the Cavs offense outside of LeBron.

Even if we agree that Blatche is a headcase and is ultimately the worse player between the two, you have to give up something to get something.

So yeah, I am somewhat worried about this possibility, especially given that there is no telling what being on a winning franchise can do to Arenas. No-one counted Ray Allen as much of a defensive player either until he came to Boston.

I'm not so sure Gilbert is much of an upgrade over Mo Williams though.

Plus the Cavs would have perhaps the worst defensive front court in the league if you removed LeBron, that's not a champisonship caliber team.

Ray Allen still isn't a great defender, merely adequete most of the time.