Could the C's go big with KG ,Perk + Sheed on the floor together?

[rondohondo]

I know they wouldn't do it all game, but I think this lineup can work at times.

When artest is on the floor, KG would have no trouble at all defending him and could get his shot over artest any time he wants. If they bring in Odom for sf, it is still a better matchup than KG trying to guard Gasol.

With Perk and Sheed in the game we have low post defense and KG able to roam on D.

Also KG,Sheed,perk could post up and try to actually get their bigs in foul trouble. We could also put sheed out at the 3 and kg in the mid range area , opening up lanes for Rondo and PP or Ray.


What do you guys think?

[Vermont Green]

Interesting idea and I think it would work but is the rest of your idea to sit Ray and put PP on Kobe?  This line up would definitely need RR on the floor.

This might be something to consider for stretches for example as an alternative to Tony Allen in for Ray but it is not something that we would see very much of.  We have a great starting 5 and if we are going to win those 5 are going to have to play equal to or better than the Lakers starting 5.

[rondohondo]

Interesting idea and I think it would work but is the rest of your idea to sit Ray and put PP on Kobe?  This line up would definitely need RR on the floor.

This might be something to consider for stretches for example as an alternative to Tony Allen in for Ray but it is not something that we would see very much of.  We have a great starting 5 and if we are going to win those 5 are going to have to play equal to or better than the Lakers starting 5.

Yea Rondo would definitely have to be on the floor. I think you do it for 5 mins in the 1st and 2nd half when Ray or PP is taking a break or in foul trouble. We still have BBD on the bench too who can push gasol out of the paiint.

[GreenFaith1819]

Good Post, Rondohondo....if this idea was to work in any playoff series Boston has had thus far, it could work in this one.

LA is a Great Team, but IMO they are a rather Slow Team..the slowest we've faced. They are taller than us, but with that height they give up foot speed.

I would not be surprised if we saw a lineup like the one you stated in stretches over the next couple of weeks.

[wiley]

I like the idea.......my basketball intuition (known to be off the charts) says give it a whirl....

[Who]

That is an interesting idea.

Like you said, Garnett can easily defend Ron Artest + the Lakers are a fairly poor team in transition. So the Celtics should have no problems defensively. Offensively, they can post up Rasheed or Garnett. Garnett and Sheed have enough range on their jump shots to provide good enough spacing to stop the Lakers from collapsing inside.

I think the Lakers shifting Lamar Odom to small forward to defend Garnett instead of letting Artest defend KG favours the Celtics because Lakers lose a lot of offense when they go big in the frontcourt. Their spacing goes to hell and they struggle to play efficient basketball.

I would be a little concerned about LA going big in the backcourt with Artest + Kobe along with Odom at small foward and their twin towers ... but I'd want to see how that matchup actually works out before ruling it out. I think that Lakers lineup would be very dangerous defensively + rebounding wise and score enough for their defense/rebounding to win out. But like I said, I'd like to see it in action against a big C's lineup before ruling it out.

Also, another interesting component is that it would force the Lakers to play Bynum more minutes than they want due to his present injury situation. That could put a large strain on them as the series goes on if Bynum isn't up to the job.

[rondohondo]

That is an interesting idea.

Like you said, Garnett can easily defend Ron Artest + the Lakers are a fairly poor team in transition. So the Celtics should have no problems defensively. Offensively, they can post up Rasheed or Garnett. Garnett and Sheed have enough range on their jump shots to provide good enough spacing to stop the Lakers from collapsing inside.

I think the Lakers shifting Lamar Odom to small forward to defend Garnett instead of letting Artest defend KG favours the Celtics because Lakers lose a lot of offense when they go big in the frontcourt. Their spacing goes to hell and they struggle to play efficient basketball.

I would be a little concerned about LA going big in the backcourt with Artest + Kobe along with Odom at small foward and their twin towers ... but I'd want to see how that matchup actually works out before ruling it out. I think that Lakers lineup would be very dangerous defensively + rebounding wise and score enough for their defense/rebounding to win out. But like I said, I'd like to see it in action against a big C's lineup before ruling it out.

Also, another interesting component is that it would force the Lakers to play Bynum more minutes than they want due to his present injury situation. That could put a large strain on them as the series goes on if Bynum isn't up to the job.

Yea I definitely think that it is worth a shot.

If the Larkers go big in the backcourt, you take PP out and put ray in. There is no way that Artest can stay with Ray or Rondo.

[Who]

That is an interesting idea.

Like you said, Garnett can easily defend Ron Artest + the Lakers are a fairly poor team in transition. So the Celtics should have no problems defensively. Offensively, they can post up Rasheed or Garnett. Garnett and Sheed have enough range on their jump shots to provide good enough spacing to stop the Lakers from collapsing inside.

I think the Lakers shifting Lamar Odom to small forward to defend Garnett instead of letting Artest defend KG favours the Celtics because Lakers lose a lot of offense when they go big in the frontcourt. Their spacing goes to hell and they struggle to play efficient basketball.

I would be a little concerned about LA going big in the backcourt with Artest + Kobe along with Odom at small foward and their twin towers ... but I'd want to see how that matchup actually works out before ruling it out. I think that Lakers lineup would be very dangerous defensively + rebounding wise and score enough for their defense/rebounding to win out. But like I said, I'd like to see it in action against a big C's lineup before ruling it out.

Also, another interesting component is that it would force the Lakers to play Bynum more minutes than they want due to his present injury situation. That could put a large strain on them as the series goes on if Bynum isn't up to the job.

Yea I definitely think that it is worth a shot.

If the Larkers go big in the backcourt, you take PP out and put ray in. There is no way that Artest can stay with Ray or Rondo.

Or, go big too with Pierce and Ray in the backcourt ... I have no idea how well (or poorly) the Celtics offense would run with those five players though.

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Sure, it could work for some spot minutes (3-4 at a time).  I'd be concerned about playing them all together because of fouls, though.  If they're on the court, they're going to pick up fouls.  I don't really want to see Shelden Williams in this series.

One other concern already mentioned was spacing.  I believe rather strongly that we're going to NEED shooters to space the floor in this series.  One alternative would be giving spot minutes to Scal at the 3, providing a bit more length, good boxing out, and a 3pt threat.  I think he'd be okay defending Artest and/or Odom as well, at least in 3-4 minute stretches, and he also provides six fouls that would not go against KG, Sheed, or PP...  I like to see what a Nate/PP/Scal/KG/Sheed lineup could accomplish for a strech in terms of generating momentum.  I think that might be a good lineup on both sides of the ball, matchup wise and for short stretches, against LA.

[rondohondo]

Sure, it could work for some spot minutes (3-4 at a time).  I'd be concerned about playing them all together because of fouls, though.  If they're on the court, they're going to pick up fouls.  I don't really want to see Shelden Williams in this series.

One other concern already mentioned was spacing.  I believe rather strongly that we're going to NEED shooters to space the floor in this series.  One alternative would be giving spot minutes to Scal at the 3, providing a bit more length, good boxing out, and a 3pt threat.  I think he'd be okay defending Artest and/or Odom as well, at least in 3-4 minute stretches, and he also provides six fouls that would not go against KG, Sheed, or PP...  I like to see what a Nate/PP/Scal/KG/Sheed lineup could accomplish for a strech in terms of generating momentum.  I think that might be a good lineup on both sides of the ball, matchup wise and for short stretches, against LA.

I don't think spacing would be a problem at all. You would have PP or Ray, Sheed and KG who can all space the floor with their shooting. With that spacing Rondo should have no trouble getting into the lane. You would also have more post up options to and with a big lineup the rebounding should be there.

[GreenFaith1819]

I think the great thing with Sheed is that whoever is on him - whether Bynum or Gasol - I think he can draw them out of the lane with his three point potential - this was my hope that Sheed would show up in the playoffs, and he has done it for the most part the last two series.

I remember one play during the CLE series when Sheed and KG were in - Big Z was on Sheed - out near the three point line, and KG was left alone with Sideshow.

Well, KG blew by Sideshow and flushed on him - I hadn't seen KG do that in Months.

KG did this because Big Z was terrified of Sheed's Three Threat, and was drawn out of the lane.

As good as Gasol is, he (IMO) is almost as slow as Sideshow.

That amazing rainbow three Sheed hit on Thursday I thought was going to hit the rafters at one time, but it fell through.

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Sure, it could work for some spot minutes (3-4 at a time).  I'd be concerned about playing them all together because of fouls, though.  If they're on the court, they're going to pick up fouls.  I don't really want to see Shelden Williams in this series.

One other concern already mentioned was spacing.  I believe rather strongly that we're going to NEED shooters to space the floor in this series.  One alternative would be giving spot minutes to Scal at the 3, providing a bit more length, good boxing out, and a 3pt threat.  I think he'd be okay defending Artest and/or Odom as well, at least in 3-4 minute stretches, and he also provides six fouls that would not go against KG, Sheed, or PP...  I like to see what a Nate/PP/Scal/KG/Sheed lineup could accomplish for a strech in terms of generating momentum.  I think that might be a good lineup on both sides of the ball, matchup wise and for short stretches, against LA.

I don't think spacing would be a problem at all. You would have PP or Ray, Sheed and KG who can all space the floor with their shooting. With that spacing Rondo should have no trouble getting into the lane. You would also have more post up options to and with a big lineup the rebounding should be there.

All true...I'm a bit sensitive to spacing after watching LA pack it in when TA came in and we only had KG and PP out there as shooters (3 non-shooters).  LA is so long (compared to other opponents) that I think it will be more important to fill the floor with shooters than against other teams (see my thoughts on Scal in this series as a sign of this moving toward desperation).

They showed clearly in Game 1 that they're going to sag right off of Rondo and make him prove he can shoot and score consistently from 18 feet, which we know he can't (consistently).  They disrupted our offense by sagging off Rondo to 1) double in the mid and high post, and 2) disrupt passing lanes.

I think I'd try the big linup (KG, Sheed, Perk) with Nate on the floor to provide the speed, penetration, and shooting.  I'd try to keep 4 shooters out there whenever possible, which would provide problems since we have so many non-shooters in our rotation (Perk, Rondo, TA, Quisy) and that KG and BBD's range only goes out 18-20 feet.  And we won't really have a solid post game without room to go 1 on 1.

[TerreHaute]

It might work to present a match-up problem for them. As a more taditional line-up, I jus think anytime TA is on the floor, we need to sub Sheed in for Perk, as well. To me, that would present a big problem for them. They could then post up a wing player and get one of the bigs away from the lane.

[PosImpos]

If they're using a lineup of Odom, Gasol, and Bynum then yes.

Otherwise no.

[rondohondo]

If they're using a lineup of Odom, Gasol, and Bynum then yes.

Otherwise no.

Well If the c's put Perk, KG and Sheed on the floor, it would kind of force the lakers to go to a Odom, Gasol and Bynum lineup because Artest doesn't have the length to defend KG. I think the c's could take advantage of these matchups because

1) Sheed or Perk  could take Gasol in the low post, which I like better than kg guarding him
2) KG and Sheed can pull odom and gasol away from the basket leaving open lanes for rondo
3) It should help the rebounding


Just an idea that could help the rebounding, not hurt the D and open the lanes up for rondo.


Even if we don't see a big lineup of Perk, Sheed and KG, I think we are going to need sheed to play at least 25 mins a game so that they can get some open lanes for rondo and PP. Ray and Sheed behind the 3(sheed can post up too) , KG at 18-20 ft should do the trick.