Sign and trade Nate to Memphis idea

[JSD]

oops, wrong thread.

i'd love to keep nate if possible

I'd like a "more money, less years" approach with Nate. But yeah I'd like to see him back with a full training camp under his belt.

[dark_lord]

i dont like the idea.

[SalmonAndMashedPotatoes]

Say it with me everyone: sign-and-trades ONLY HAPPEN when the player being signed WANTS to go where they are being traded.  You can put together a million reasons why Memphis might want Nate, or why the Cs might want to move Nate, but until you put together an actual reason why Nate would want to play in Memphis, then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

In fact, Memphis tried to trade for Nate back in January.  They actually had an offer that the Knicks would accept--but Nate had a no-trade clause and he wouldn't waive it to go to Memphis.  Does anyone really think he's changed his mind since then? 

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Nate is an asset and he will be resigned this summer.  He will provide good depth behind Rondo and will represent a nice trading asset as we move forward, if we need to make an upgrade at some other position. 

Sign-and-trades rarely bring back more value than they send out (the Grant Hill S&T to Orlando is the exception), and GMs usually only make them as a favor to a player (or agent), or because that player was going to leave anyway and the GM wanted to get a little value back in exchange for getting more $ for the player.  But, as Baby showed last season, and as Nate will show this season, when there's some mutual interest between the player and team going forward AND there isn't another suitor willing to pay the player more, both sides will come to an agreement that benefits both parties. 

This is about maximizing your assets.  The Cs could try to work a sign-and-trade with Nate this summer, and maybe only get 60% value for him (unless they get lucky or find the perfect situation).  Or they could sign him to a reasonable contract, coach him up, and possibly flip him down the road (to any team, not just one that Nate wants to go to) for something MORE VALUABLE than Nate. 

Believe me, Danny knows this, which is why he ended up bringing Baby back last season.  Ainge could have easily done the short-sighted thing and S&T'ed Baby to NJ for Yi (or other ballast from other teams)--instead he signed Baby to a smart contract and now he could probably move Baby TO ANY TEAM HE WANTS for much, much more than that this summer.  And that's how you MAXIMIZE your assets in the NBA.

[Jon]

For a player unlikely to command more than he's making now, I can't see why anyone would want to sign and trade for him.  Any team who wants him will likely be able to just sign him. 

As for the C's, while I agree he's far from perfect, it seems some on this board want our backup to essentially be a second Rondo.  Not only will that not happen, we're unlikely to get any better than Nate. 

No one with big talent is going to want to play behind a guy who plays around 40 mpg in big games. 

If Nate will stay at a reasonable price, I think we'd be foolish to let him go. 

[JSD]

Say it with me everyone: sign-and-trades ONLY HAPPEN when the player being signed WANTS to go where they are being traded.  You can put together a million reasons why Memphis might want Nate, or why the Cs might want to move Nate, but until you put together an actual reason why Nate would want to play in Memphis, then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

In fact, Memphis tried to trade for Nate back in January.  They actually had an offer that the Knicks would accept--but Nate had a no-trade clause and he wouldn't waive it to go to Memphis.  Does anyone really think he's changed his mind since then?  

Yes, I do. He was on a contract year and wanted to play for a team to showcase his talent and ability to help a playoff team. After these playoffs he's due to make a better contract then if he finished out the season in Memphis. So it was a smart move on his part. Come this offseason, he will sign with the team that offers the most money.

[JSD]

Also, Nick explaines why Memphis would look to S&T over straight up signing a player:

Here's the thing, the Grizzlies already have 10 guaranteed contracts on the books for next year as well as having 2 restricted free agents with fairly decent size cap holds in Rudy Gay and Ronnie Brewer. I think they will probably only retain one of these guys and maybe hold onto Lester Hudson to see if he can transform himself into a real backup PG. So that's 12 slots filled and three 1st round picks.

I think they are ripe for a trade of one or more of those picks as they really don't need three more rookies on this team.

I'd prefer that C's sign Nate for a couple seasons here over this trade, but they do need to unload some guys to tweak their roster.

[guava_wrench]

If we use part of our MLE to sign and trade Nate, we need contributors in return. Even if trading for the picks was possible, which is isn't, would we want to use MLE money to get marginal players and a late first round pick? Shouldn't that money be used for a rotation guy?

[Marqui]

Say it with me everyone: sign-and-trades ONLY HAPPEN when the player being signed WANTS to go where they are being traded.  You can put together a million reasons why Memphis might want Nate, or why the Cs might want to move Nate, but until you put together an actual reason why Nate would want to play in Memphis, then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

In fact, Memphis tried to trade for Nate back in January.  They actually had an offer that the Knicks would accept--but Nate had a no-trade clause and he wouldn't waive it to go to Memphis.  Does anyone really think he's changed his mind since then?  

Yes, I do. He was on a contract year and wanted to play for a team to showcase his talent and ability to help a playoff team. After these playoffs he's due to make a better contract then if he finished out the season in Memphis. So it was a smart move on his part. Come this offseason, he will sign with the team that offers the most money.

How long did it take you to make that up?

[JSD]

Say it with me everyone: sign-and-trades ONLY HAPPEN when the player being signed WANTS to go where they are being traded.  You can put together a million reasons why Memphis might want Nate, or why the Cs might want to move Nate, but until you put together an actual reason why Nate would want to play in Memphis, then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

In fact, Memphis tried to trade for Nate back in January.  They actually had an offer that the Knicks would accept--but Nate had a no-trade clause and he wouldn't waive it to go to Memphis.  Does anyone really think he's changed his mind since then?  

Yes, I do. He was on a contract year and wanted to play for a team to showcase his talent and ability to help a playoff team. After these playoffs he's due to make a better contract then if he finished out the season in Memphis. So it was a smart move on his part. Come this offseason, he will sign with the team that offers the most money.

How long did it take you to make that up?

Make what up? My opinion on how it's going to play out on the business side of things? 20 years of NBA fandom.

How long have you been naive?

More recently, I'll point to James Posey and Trevor Ariza as players who cashed in after role playing on strong playoff teams.

[action781]

Say it with me everyone: sign-and-trades ONLY HAPPEN when the player being signed WANTS to go where they are being traded.  You can put together a million reasons why Memphis might want Nate, or why the Cs might want to move Nate, but until you put together an actual reason why Nate would want to play in Memphis, then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

In fact, Memphis tried to trade for Nate back in January.  They actually had an offer that the Knicks would accept--but Nate had a no-trade clause and he wouldn't waive it to go to Memphis.  Does anyone really think he's changed his mind since then?  

Yes, I do. He was on a contract year and wanted to play for a team to showcase his talent and ability to help a playoff team. After these playoffs he's due to make a better contract then if he finished out the season in Memphis. So it was a smart move on his part. Come this offseason, he will sign with the team that offers the most money.

How long did it take you to make that up?

I actually agree that this reasoning seems to be a bit of a stretch.  If he wanted to "showcase his talent" in a contract year, wouldn't he want to do it on a team where he can get lots of minutes?  Not on a team where he's buried on the bench?

In hindsight, yes, he's had some good postseason performances that might lead him to a good payday.  Just 3 weeks ago, nobody thought the same.  And you can't say for certain that he wouldn't have averaged 16ppg in Memphis and rang in a bigger contract there.  Just like you couldn't previously say for certain that he'd have big postseason performances upping his value this offseason.

[Celtics Fan]

I like Nate sign and keep but he has to know that he's a role player we all are that what make us special. Go Celtics.

[guava_wrench]

Say it with me everyone: sign-and-trades ONLY HAPPEN when the player being signed WANTS to go where they are being traded.  You can put together a million reasons why Memphis might want Nate, or why the Cs might want to move Nate, but until you put together an actual reason why Nate would want to play in Memphis, then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

In fact, Memphis tried to trade for Nate back in January.  They actually had an offer that the Knicks would accept--but Nate had a no-trade clause and he wouldn't waive it to go to Memphis.  Does anyone really think he's changed his mind since then?  

Yes, I do. He was on a contract year and wanted to play for a team to showcase his talent and ability to help a playoff team. After these playoffs he's due to make a better contract then if he finished out the season in Memphis. So it was a smart move on his part. Come this offseason, he will sign with the team that offers the most money.

How long did it take you to make that up?

I actually agree that this reasoning seems to be a bit of a stretch.  If he wanted to "showcase his talent" in a contract year, wouldn't he want to do it on a team where he can get lots of minutes?  Not on a team where he's buried on the bench?

In hindsight, yes, he's had some good postseason performances that might lead him to a good payday.  Just 3 weeks ago, nobody thought the same.  And you can't say for certain that he wouldn't have averaged 16ppg in Memphis and rang in a bigger contract there.  Just like you couldn't previously say for certain that he'd have big postseason performances upping his value this offseason.

I agree. Nate picked a horrible location if he wanted a good contract. Posey and Ariza was major contributors all season for their respective championship teams. Look at Eddie House.

[JSD]

Say it with me everyone: sign-and-trades ONLY HAPPEN when the player being signed WANTS to go where they are being traded.  You can put together a million reasons why Memphis might want Nate, or why the Cs might want to move Nate, but until you put together an actual reason why Nate would want to play in Memphis, then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

In fact, Memphis tried to trade for Nate back in January.  They actually had an offer that the Knicks would accept--but Nate had a no-trade clause and he wouldn't waive it to go to Memphis.  Does anyone really think he's changed his mind since then?  

Yes, I do. He was on a contract year and wanted to play for a team to showcase his talent and ability to help a playoff team. After these playoffs he's due to make a better contract then if he finished out the season in Memphis. So it was a smart move on his part. Come this offseason, he will sign with the team that offers the most money.

How long did it take you to make that up?

I actually agree that this reasoning seems to be a bit of a stretch.  If he wanted to "showcase his talent" in a contract year, wouldn't he want to do it on a team where he can get lots of minutes?  Not on a team where he's buried on the bench?

In hindsight, yes, he's had some good postseason performances that might lead him to a good payday.  Just 3 weeks ago, nobody thought the same.  And you can't say for certain that he wouldn't have averaged 16ppg in Memphis and rang in a bigger contract there.  Just like you couldn't previously say for certain that he'd have big postseason performances upping his value this offseason.

I agree. Nate picked a horrible location if he wanted a good contract. Posey and Ariza was major contributors all season for their respective championship teams. Look at Eddie House.

Posey and House handpicked the Celtics and signed discounted short term contracts with hopes of landing the nice contract after big stage exposure. They both succeeded too: House got a 2 year deal worth $5 million and Posey got a 4 year full MLE.

Nate already proved he can put up great numbers on a terrible team. He and his agent (Goodwin) sought out a playoff team with his no trade clause in hopes of upping his marketability come this offseason.

[Kiorrik]

oops, wrong thread.

i'd love to keep nate if possible

Hm... I would've figured you on the other side of the "do-we-like-Nate" fence. Good to have you here, though.

[Edgar]

oops, wrong thread.

i'd love to keep nate if possible

Hm... I would've figured you on the other side of the "do-we-like-Nate" fence. Good to have you here, though.

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