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Matt Barnes?
« on: June 01, 2010, 12:19:42 PM »

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According to ESPN, Matt Barnes has opted out of his contract with the Magic, making him a free agent.  Supposedly he wants to return to the Magic with a new contract, but I'm sure he'll weigh his options.

Would you like him on the Celtics?  I would.  He's 30 but I still think he has a couple good years left, and he would give us exactly what we're missing off the bench: a real SF who can hit perimeter shots and defend for 20 minutes or so a night.  He also has that dirtiness / toughness / trash-talking nature that would allow him to fit in nicely around here.

Platoon him with TA and we wouldn't need a backup PG.  I think Barnes would work well with TA - in the way that Marquis / Finley didn't.  We wouldn't have to use the whole MLE on him, either.

This assumes we don't use #19 on a wing, in which case I think we should just play the youngster.
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Re: Matt Barnes?
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2010, 12:23:36 PM »

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According to ESPN, Matt Barnes has opted out of his contract with the Magic, making him a free agent.  Supposedly he wants to return to the Magic with a new contract, but I'm sure he'll weigh his options.

Would you like him on the Celtics?  I would.  He's 30 but I still think he has a couple good years left, and he would give us exactly what we're missing off the bench: a real SF who can hit perimeter shots and defend for 20 minutes or so a night.  He also has that dirtiness / toughness / trash-talking nature that would allow him to fit in nicely around here.

Platoon him with TA and we wouldn't need a backup PG.  I think Barnes would work well with TA - in the way that Marquis / Finley didn't.  We wouldn't have to use the whole MLE on him, either.

This assumes we don't use #19 on a wing, in which case I think we should just play the youngster.

Why wouldnt we need a back up point guard if we signed barnes again?

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For the vet minimum?  Sure.  Otherwise, I don't have a ton of interest in Barnes.

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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2010, 12:26:59 PM »

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For the vet minimum?  Sure.  Otherwise, I don't have a ton of interest in Barnes.

Word...and his comment is:

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"As for me and my contract situation, I'm going to opt out," Barnes told the Orlando Sentinel. "Always worrying about the team and stuff like that is something you have to do during the season, and I'm 100 percent with that. But now it's about me and my family and what's best for us. I've expressed throughout the season that I've loved my time here and would love to return. But I think I know more than anybody that this is a business. The organization has to do what's best for the team. Hopefully, I impressed them enough to bring me back and give me something decent, but we'll have to wait and see about that."

So I have my doubts on how far the vet min is going to get you with this guy.

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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2010, 12:29:22 PM »

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If he were on the C's roster instead of Orlando's, I'm not sure he would have gotten on the court during that last series.

Didn't slow down Pierce at all.  Did nothing on the offensive end.  His "toughness" was shoving KG in the back (into his own coach).  

I know he was hurt, not sure how much that impacted his play... but the dude was invisible all series long.  He sure looked like a vet-min guy.

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According to ESPN, Matt Barnes has opted out of his contract with the Magic, making him a free agent.  Supposedly he wants to return to the Magic with a new contract, but I'm sure he'll weigh his options.

Would you like him on the Celtics?  I would.  He's 30 but I still think he has a couple good years left, and he would give us exactly what we're missing off the bench: a real SF who can hit perimeter shots and defend for 20 minutes or so a night.  He also has that dirtiness / toughness / trash-talking nature that would allow him to fit in nicely around here.

Platoon him with TA and we wouldn't need a backup PG.  I think Barnes would work well with TA - in the way that Marquis / Finley didn't.  We wouldn't have to use the whole MLE on him, either.

This assumes we don't use #19 on a wing, in which case I think we should just play the youngster.

Why wouldnt we need a back up point guard if we signed barnes again?

Because - as evidenced in the post-season - playing TA 10-12 minutes a night at PG is all we really need, and it works just fine.


I'm not sure I agree about the vet. minimum thing.  I think a player of Barnes' talents would be worth a couple million a year.  If we can get somebody better then sure, let's go for it, but I think he could be a solid option.  After all, we don't need a guy who's going to play 25 minutes a night.
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For the vet minimum?  Sure.  Otherwise, I don't have a ton of interest in Barnes.

Word...and his comment is:

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"As for me and my contract situation, I'm going to opt out," Barnes told the Orlando Sentinel. "Always worrying about the team and stuff like that is something you have to do during the season, and I'm 100 percent with that. But now it's about me and my family and what's best for us. I've expressed throughout the season that I've loved my time here and would love to return. But I think I know more than anybody that this is a business. The organization has to do what's best for the team. Hopefully, I impressed them enough to bring me back and give me something decent, but we'll have to wait and see about that."

So I have my doubts on how far the vet min is going to get you with this guy.

Oh, without a question he opted out to get a big payday.  He has been trying (unsuccessfully) to get paid since his breakout year with the Warriors.  I also think he has zero interest in playing in the Northeast.  I am convinced it would take any team up here to dramatically overpay him to convince him to come up here.  And in the meantime, there should be just as good, if not better players available for close to the vet minimum.

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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2010, 12:33:03 PM »

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According to ESPN, Matt Barnes has opted out of his contract with the Magic, making him a free agent.  Supposedly he wants to return to the Magic with a new contract, but I'm sure he'll weigh his options.

Would you like him on the Celtics?  I would.  He's 30 but I still think he has a couple good years left, and he would give us exactly what we're missing off the bench: a real SF who can hit perimeter shots and defend for 20 minutes or so a night.  He also has that dirtiness / toughness / trash-talking nature that would allow him to fit in nicely around here.

Platoon him with TA and we wouldn't need a backup PG.  I think Barnes would work well with TA - in the way that Marquis / Finley didn't.  We wouldn't have to use the whole MLE on him, either.

This assumes we don't use #19 on a wing, in which case I think we should just play the youngster.

Why wouldnt we need a back up point guard if we signed barnes again?

Because - as evidenced in the post-season - playing TA 10-12 minutes a night at PG is all we really need, and it works just fine.



I completely disagree with this.  The reason they have gotten away with that in the postseason is because they have been playing Rondo 42 minutes per game, and either Ray or Pierce are always on the floor when he is not out there.  It is a completely different thing in the regular season, and you are putting Tony out there with a bunch of less than stellar players.  At that point, you can't really hide his offensive deficiencies, like they have in the playoffs.

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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2010, 12:47:38 PM »

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According to ESPN, Matt Barnes has opted out of his contract with the Magic, making him a free agent.  Supposedly he wants to return to the Magic with a new contract, but I'm sure he'll weigh his options.

Would you like him on the Celtics?  I would.  He's 30 but I still think he has a couple good years left, and he would give us exactly what we're missing off the bench: a real SF who can hit perimeter shots and defend for 20 minutes or so a night.  He also has that dirtiness / toughness / trash-talking nature that would allow him to fit in nicely around here.

Platoon him with TA and we wouldn't need a backup PG.  I think Barnes would work well with TA - in the way that Marquis / Finley didn't.  We wouldn't have to use the whole MLE on him, either.

This assumes we don't use #19 on a wing, in which case I think we should just play the youngster.

Why wouldnt we need a back up point guard if we signed barnes again?

Because - as evidenced in the post-season - playing TA 10-12 minutes a night at PG is all we really need, and it works just fine.


I'm not sure I agree about the vet. minimum thing.  I think a player of Barnes' talents would be worth a couple million a year.  If we can get somebody better then sure, let's go for it, but I think he could be a solid option.  After all, we don't need a guy who's going to play 25 minutes a night.

That is highly debatable and most often PP or Ray are handling the ball still not a great option.

You want rondo playing 42 mins a night 82 games a year?

And after watching Tony Allen for 5 years you believe he has turned some magical corner or is this just a good stretch that will be followed by another horrible stretch that ends him up on the bench? I find the latter much more likely, in fact he did not play well at all against orlando for 6 games.

Sorry, I think that premise is horribly flawed

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« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2010, 12:53:03 PM »

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I think there are other options available at SF who would be a better fit than Barnes, especially if talking about more than the minimum.

Barnes' defense didn't impress me very much in the Orlando series, and the rest of his game was hit and miss.  Again, if we're going to spend a significant chunk of the MLE on a guy, I'd like to see a more complete player.

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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2010, 01:12:25 PM »

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According to ESPN, Matt Barnes has opted out of his contract with the Magic, making him a free agent.  Supposedly he wants to return to the Magic with a new contract, but I'm sure he'll weigh his options.

Would you like him on the Celtics?  I would.  He's 30 but I still think he has a couple good years left, and he would give us exactly what we're missing off the bench: a real SF who can hit perimeter shots and defend for 20 minutes or so a night.  He also has that dirtiness / toughness / trash-talking nature that would allow him to fit in nicely around here.

Platoon him with TA and we wouldn't need a backup PG.  I think Barnes would work well with TA - in the way that Marquis / Finley didn't.  We wouldn't have to use the whole MLE on him, either.

This assumes we don't use #19 on a wing, in which case I think we should just play the youngster.

Why wouldnt we need a back up point guard if we signed barnes again?

Because - as evidenced in the post-season - playing TA 10-12 minutes a night at PG is all we really need, and it works just fine.


I'm not sure I agree about the vet. minimum thing.  I think a player of Barnes' talents would be worth a couple million a year.  If we can get somebody better then sure, let's go for it, but I think he could be a solid option.  After all, we don't need a guy who's going to play 25 minutes a night.
Has Barnes showed anything new? It seems every year is the same thing for him -- teams not thinking he is not worth much. He seems doomed to rotate between contenders looking to fill their bench with cheap complimentary players since he doesn't have the talent to interest bad teams with cap space.

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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2010, 01:18:03 PM »

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According to ESPN, Matt Barnes has opted out of his contract with the Magic, making him a free agent.  Supposedly he wants to return to the Magic with a new contract, but I'm sure he'll weigh his options.

Would you like him on the Celtics?  I would.  He's 30 but I still think he has a couple good years left, and he would give us exactly what we're missing off the bench: a real SF who can hit perimeter shots and defend for 20 minutes or so a night.  He also has that dirtiness / toughness / trash-talking nature that would allow him to fit in nicely around here.

Platoon him with TA and we wouldn't need a backup PG.  I think Barnes would work well with TA - in the way that Marquis / Finley didn't.  We wouldn't have to use the whole MLE on him, either.

This assumes we don't use #19 on a wing, in which case I think we should just play the youngster.

He does have all the..

He also has that dirtiness / toughness / trash-talking nature that would allow him to fit in nicely around here.

But he doesn't have any game to go with it so no unless he want the vet min.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2010, 01:18:18 PM »

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Oh god no. He was the weak link in the Magic's starting 5. Really terrible player and a punk. He would look terrible in Green.
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Matt Barnes is a punk with a marginal NBA skillset. No thanks.

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« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2010, 01:23:35 PM »

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I guarantee you could get a large portion of our own fan base to agree with a BBD for Barnes swap.  Not even taking into account the age difference some would see it as upgrade in talent...

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