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Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2010, 10:30:44 AM »

Offline EJPLAYA

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Some of you need to see a little better.

Every 50-50 call he said should have gone Orlando's way.  That is what irks me.

Also. Nate did exactly what was needed.  Get the crowd into it.

Both fouls by Nelson he complained about.  Nelson running Robinson into the ground was a flagrant.

Running Ray Allen of a shot block attempt was a foul.  These were just a few of the irritable things.

I thought his brother did a good job coaching, but Van Gundy should call plays as they are, not as he wishes they were.



Maybe they really weren't 50-50 and you just thought they were.

He was stating, and I agree with him, that Nelson's foul would have never been called a flagrant 20 years ago in the NBA. Nelson was not trying to hurt Nate, just stop the layup. You can be upset at quite a few things that Howard has done, but Jeff is right on this one. Should have only been ruled a flagrant in the WNBA.

His comments about Ray's play were that Ray put a little extra acting into those to draw the foul. If he hadn't it would have been unlikely to have been called, which was accurate.

Sorry man. I have to agree with most of the guys on here. Jeff does a very good job out there being as unbiased as he can possibly be. Just because he isn't Heinson doesn't mean he isn't being fair.

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2010, 10:55:35 AM »

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We are all used to listening to Tommy  ;)
So if any announcer says anything that isn't 100% for the C's, we have to hate on him.


Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2010, 11:02:28 AM »

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I was also irritated he stated no one has been fouled harder in this series then Dwight Howard.  Not one of Boston's many fouls equaled that of the two takedowns by Howard on Peirce.  The takeown of Perk.  The two elbows to the head of Garnett.  The takedown of Rondo.

The concussion of baby was just a freak basketball play.Same as the last fall of Rondo.

Because the series was where it was these plays were all allowed.

I've been in basketball my whole life.  Player, college, coaching.

Just calling the bias as it is.  I'm ecstatic we won, but that doesn't mean the inconsistency of the league are going away.

Bye the way, that foul on Allen was not acting. Watch it again.

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2010, 11:06:25 AM »

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I thought Van Gundy was fair to us and I actually felt he was little harsh on Orlando at times. Overall I think they've done a decent job this series and the last one. My main problem with this crew in the regular season is how they go off on tangents and not pay enough attention to the game but for the most part they've avoided that and kept the commentary relevant and informative.
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Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2010, 11:06:58 AM »

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JVG didnt like that nate was dancing when he made his first 3 pointer (or maybe second), but mark jackson was supporting it 100%. and then when robinson made a couple more plays, then even JVG jumped on the boat and said nate can dance all he wants. there was no real bias there.

in terms of the flagrants, JVG is gonna be against calling them. he coached the knicks when they had those epic series with the heat. every foul was a hard foul and we cant forget he was getting trampled in that marcus camby fight. JVG has taken harder hits than some of these fouls. you cant blame him for saying these arent flagrant fouls.

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2010, 11:09:16 AM »

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Some of you need to see a little better.

Every 50-50 call he said should have gone Orlando's way.  That is what irks me.

Also. Nate did exactly what was needed.  Get the crowd into it.

Both fouls by Nelson he complained about.  Nelson running Robinson into the ground was a flagrant.

Running Ray Allen of a shot block attempt was a foul.  These were just a few of the irritable things.

I thought his brother did a good job coaching, but Van Gundy should call plays as they are, not as he wishes they were.



Maybe they really weren't 50-50 and you just thought they were.

He was stating, and I agree with him, that Nelson's foul would have never been called a flagrant 20 years ago in the NBA. Nelson was not trying to hurt Nate, just stop the layup. You can be upset at quite a few things that Howard has done, but Jeff is right on this one. Should have only been ruled a flagrant in the WNBA.

His comments about Ray's play were that Ray put a little extra acting into those to draw the foul. If he hadn't it would have been unlikely to have been called, which was accurate.

Sorry man. I have to agree with most of the guys on here. Jeff does a very good job out there being as unbiased as he can possibly be. Just because he isn't Heinson doesn't mean he isn't being fair.

Have to agree with goz.  Also, how about:

- Him saying that flop by Rashard Lewis when Baby barely turned around was a clear foul
- Then, him saying Baby was flopping big time when Howard knocked him over ... much more of a foul than Baby's, that was not called
- That Jameer foul on Ray Allen was a CLEAR moving screen.  I'm shocked that he questioned it.

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2010, 11:13:03 AM »

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How about Jeff questioning Nate's foul when he went for the jumpball and he was called a foul?

You guys are focusing in a few plays to make your points but are ignoring the whole body of work. Can he be wrong in his opinions here and there? Sure, but he's calling them as he sees them, and he plays the part pretty much equally for all parties concerned. When he's wrong he admits he's wrong and the good thing about the dynamic of Mark and him is that they call each other out when they are wrong and question each other's opinion, something that is not usually the case with other broadcasting teams.

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2010, 11:17:36 AM »

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I honestly can't tell that he favors the Magic at all.  It all seems imaginary to me.  I think that team did a great job the entire series.  I agreed with his whole dialogue about Nate. He was right, it is kind of funny for the " eleventh man" to be posing.  But he quickly changed his tune after Nate's continued great play. 

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2010, 11:50:40 AM »

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In listening to all the announcers this year, it has been that way. The other team either won it, or let it go thru mistakes....Not, the C's won, or made them lose....it was the same for the Patriots...it is a New England thing.....be glad we give them something to hate. We are the "CAN DO" part of the country, blue collar style, no frills, no big bragging or talk, no credit required....We just get it done. We made most of TNT and ESPN announcers look like fools, who know nothing about players, team and heart......Van Gundy shouldn't have been the announcer for his brothers team like that....of course he should back him...it was ESPN's mistake. But look at daily news, all you get is the persons name and their opinion of what happens, two things we can live without..!

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #24 on: May 29, 2010, 11:54:57 AM »

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- That Jameer foul on Ray Allen was a CLEAR moving screen.  I'm shocked that he questioned it.

That play was the only time where JVG annoyed me, especially since Nelson clearly dropped his shoulder and drove Ray off the shooter, AND it was at least the second time he'd done it that game.  He should know better especially on replay.

Overall I think Van Gundy is pretty consistent with what he agrees and disagrees with, he just delivers those opinions in a way that can be irritating.  But I like him a lot as an announcer.

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #25 on: May 29, 2010, 12:00:57 PM »

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I don't have a problem with JVG. I thought for the most part he went out of his way to be unbiased. He made the point several times that Boston was the better team in the series.

I love listening to this guy. I also think if I were a GM looking for a head coach, I would make him an offer he couldn't refuse

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2010, 12:16:33 PM »

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Those 3 fools are my least liked announcers.  So much side talking while the game is actually being played.  Shut up and call the game already.

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2010, 12:24:28 PM »

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Van Gundy was disagreeing with a lot of calls that went in our favor last night -- but that doesn't mean he was biased. We were getting the benefit of the whistle last night. The league extended the series by making us play 8 on 5 for games 4 and 5 and then they helped make sure we won the series by favoring us last night. sad sad truth.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2010, 12:31:08 PM »

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I think JVG has done a great job trying to not be biased.  I know if it was my brother coaching in the ECF I would be completely biased and complaining about everything not going my bro's teams way.

And I know that everyone on here would too.
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Re: Did nyone else notice the Van Gundy bias last night?
« Reply #29 on: May 29, 2010, 12:33:20 PM »

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I was surprised to see this topic. I actually thought Jeff Van Gundy went out of his way to be impartial throughout the series, including last night's game. 

I also think that Stan Van Gundy is a great coach; if Doc decided to retire, and Orlando kicked him to the curb, we would be smart to scoop him up.