Bosh narrows his free agency wish list

[Roy Hobbs]

I always thought Oklahoma City would be the perfect fit for Bosh...

I saw a report this morning that Houston and OKC are also on the list.

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If I were Bosh, I'd be looking to sign on with a top SG, likely either Wade or Joe Johnson, rather than LeBron, largely because he (or anyone else) won't ever earn any respect in LeBron's shadow.  Wade, for no good reason, doesn't cast as long a shadow as LBJ.

I'm sticking by my earlier prediction that, in the end, Joe Johnson and Bosh suffer from the same lack-of-respect problem, and would be a great fit next to each other.  Since 1) NYK is the only team that can sign two max FA's, and 2) David Lee has the same problem, my prediction is that both Bosh and JJ end up in NY, with NYC endorsements washing out FLA income tax advantages, and playing with David Lee and some solid young wings sealing the deal.

Or something like that...

[Roy Hobbs]

If I were Bosh, I'd be looking to sign on with a top SG, likely either Wade or Joe Johnson, rather than LeBron, largely because he (or anyone else) won't ever earn any respect in LeBron's shadow.  Wade, for no good reason, doesn't cast as long a shadow as LBJ.

I'm sticking by my earlier prediction that, in the end, Joe Johnson and Bosh suffer from the same lack-of-respect problem, and would be a great fit next to each other.  Since 1) NYK is the only team that can sign two max FA's, and 2) David Lee has the same problem, my prediction is that both Bosh and JJ end up in NY, with NYC endorsements washing out FLA income tax advantages, and playing with David Lee and some solid young wings sealing the deal.

Or something like that...

I haven't checked the numbers, but from memory, I don't think NY has enough to sign two max free agents plus retain Lee.  I believe they'll have to either renounce Lee, or include him in a sign-and-trade.

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If I were Bosh, I'd be looking to sign on with a top SG, likely either Wade or Joe Johnson, rather than LeBron, largely because he (or anyone else) won't ever earn any respect in LeBron's shadow.  Wade, for no good reason, doesn't cast as long a shadow as LBJ.

I'm sticking by my earlier prediction that, in the end, Joe Johnson and Bosh suffer from the same lack-of-respect problem, and would be a great fit next to each other.  Since 1) NYK is the only team that can sign two max FA's, and 2) David Lee has the same problem, my prediction is that both Bosh and JJ end up in NY, with NYC endorsements washing out FLA income tax advantages, and playing with David Lee and some solid young wings sealing the deal.

Or something like that...

I haven't checked the numbers, but from memory, I don't think NY has enough to sign two max free agents plus retain Lee.  I believe they'll have to either renounce Lee, or include him in a sign-and-trade.

I thought it'd be tight, but hadn't checked the numbers either.

Checking, it'd be close.  If they don't give Sergio the qual offer, renounced everyone but Lee, I think they might pull it off.

They've got (w/o Sergio) about $16,3 committed.
Lee's cap hold is $10.5, which he's worth...$17.8 mil w/Lee.
Assuming a cap number of $54 mil, that leaves $36.2, which should just about do 2 max guys.  Check out the lineup:

Toney Douglas/vet min PG
Joe Johnson/Chandler
Gallinari/Future Superstar Bill Walker [kidding, kidding]
Bosh
Lee/Eddy Curry

I'm pretty sure that there will be quite a bit of talent that falls to the minimum this summer for a team like that to fill out their roster, particularly guys that don't get what they want this year, and need minutes in a player-friendly system on a playoff-bound team to boost their values for the following summer.  Make no mistake, the Knicks have the opportunity to do much damage next year, and could even build a team with an outside shot at going the distance, not ulike our 08 team.  I mean, not under D'Antoni, but they could have the talent to do it.

That leaves Al Harrington available for the MLE, by the way...to join TA, Sheed, and Baby on our bench?

[nickagneta]

If I were Bosh, I'd be looking to sign on with a top SG, likely either Wade or Joe Johnson, rather than LeBron, largely because he (or anyone else) won't ever earn any respect in LeBron's shadow.  Wade, for no good reason, doesn't cast as long a shadow as LBJ.

I'm sticking by my earlier prediction that, in the end, Joe Johnson and Bosh suffer from the same lack-of-respect problem, and would be a great fit next to each other.  Since 1) NYK is the only team that can sign two max FA's, and 2) David Lee has the same problem, my prediction is that both Bosh and JJ end up in NY, with NYC endorsements washing out FLA income tax advantages, and playing with David Lee and some solid young wings sealing the deal.

Or something like that...

I haven't checked the numbers, but from memory, I don't think NY has enough to sign two max free agents plus retain Lee.  I believe they'll have to either renounce Lee, or include him in a sign-and-trade.

Yeah, that's right Roy.

NY has $18.6 million returning. Lee and Sergio Rodriguez are the only 2 of the Knicks FAs I could see them wanting to retain. Everyone else they probably renounce. Their cap holds are equal to $10.5 million for Lee and $4.7 million for Rodriguez.

That's $33.8 with 7 players. Add another 5 players at roughly $900,000 each for minimum holds and that's $38.3 million.

If the salary cap is around $57 million that's $18.7 million in cap space. So the Knicks would need to renounce both Lee and Rodriguez for a net gain of $13.4 million(minus the $15.2M + the $1.8M in holds for two spots) more in cap space for a total of $32.1 million in cap room for a salary cap set at $57 million.

So while the $32.1 is a couple hundred thousand less than what would be needed for 2 max level free agents with 7-9 years experience, it's close enough to make 2 FAs nearly max happy.

What I read was that they will renounce everyone except Lee and Rodriquez and will hold off on renouncing them until the absolute last moment, when they will have to decide to either retain them or sign someone else.

[nickagneta]

If I were Bosh, I'd be looking to sign on with a top SG, likely either Wade or Joe Johnson, rather than LeBron, largely because he (or anyone else) won't ever earn any respect in LeBron's shadow.  Wade, for no good reason, doesn't cast as long a shadow as LBJ.

I'm sticking by my earlier prediction that, in the end, Joe Johnson and Bosh suffer from the same lack-of-respect problem, and would be a great fit next to each other.  Since 1) NYK is the only team that can sign two max FA's, and 2) David Lee has the same problem, my prediction is that both Bosh and JJ end up in NY, with NYC endorsements washing out FLA income tax advantages, and playing with David Lee and some solid young wings sealing the deal.

Or something like that...

I haven't checked the numbers, but from memory, I don't think NY has enough to sign two max free agents plus retain Lee.  I believe they'll have to either renounce Lee, or include him in a sign-and-trade.

I thought it'd be tight, but hadn't checked the numbers either.

Checking, it'd be close.  If they don't give Sergio the qual offer, renounced everyone but Lee, I think they might pull it off.

They've got (w/o Sergio) about $16,3 committed.
Lee's cap hold is $10.5, which he's worth...$17.8 mil w/Lee.
Assuming a cap number of $54 mil, that leaves $36.2, which should just about do 2 max guys.  Check out the lineup:

Toney Douglas/vet min PG
Joe Johnson/Chandler
Gallinari/Future Superstar Bill Walker [kidding, kidding]
Bosh
Lee/Eddy Curry

I'm pretty sure that there will be quite a bit of talent that falls to the minimum this summer for a team like that to fill out their roster, particularly guys that don't get what they want this year, and need minutes in a player-friendly system on a playoff-bound team to boost their values for the following summer.  Make no mistake, the Knicks have the opportunity to do much damage next year, and could even build a team with an outside shot at going the distance, not ulike our 08 team.  I mean, not under D'Antoni, but they could have the talent to do it.

That leaves Al Harrington available for the MLE, by the way...to join TA, Sheed, and Baby on our bench?

Where are you getting your numbers because you seem to be forgetting eddie Curry's $11.2 million contract which I guarantee he won't opt out of.

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If I were Bosh, I'd be looking to sign on with a top SG, likely either Wade or Joe Johnson, rather than LeBron, largely because he (or anyone else) won't ever earn any respect in LeBron's shadow.  Wade, for no good reason, doesn't cast as long a shadow as LBJ.

I'm sticking by my earlier prediction that, in the end, Joe Johnson and Bosh suffer from the same lack-of-respect problem, and would be a great fit next to each other.  Since 1) NYK is the only team that can sign two max FA's, and 2) David Lee has the same problem, my prediction is that both Bosh and JJ end up in NY, with NYC endorsements washing out FLA income tax advantages, and playing with David Lee and some solid young wings sealing the deal.

Or something like that...

I haven't checked the numbers, but from memory, I don't think NY has enough to sign two max free agents plus retain Lee.  I believe they'll have to either renounce Lee, or include him in a sign-and-trade.

I thought it'd be tight, but hadn't checked the numbers either.

Checking, it'd be close.  If they don't give Sergio the qual offer, renounced everyone but Lee, I think they might pull it off.

They've got (w/o Sergio) about $16,3 committed.
Lee's cap hold is $10.5, which he's worth...$17.8 mil w/Lee.
Assuming a cap number of $54 mil, that leaves $36.2, which should just about do 2 max guys.  Check out the lineup:

Toney Douglas/vet min PG
Joe Johnson/Chandler
Gallinari/Future Superstar Bill Walker [kidding, kidding]
Bosh
Lee/Eddy Curry

I'm pretty sure that there will be quite a bit of talent that falls to the minimum this summer for a team like that to fill out their roster, particularly guys that don't get what they want this year, and need minutes in a player-friendly system on a playoff-bound team to boost their values for the following summer.  Make no mistake, the Knicks have the opportunity to do much damage next year, and could even build a team with an outside shot at going the distance, not ulike our 08 team.  I mean, not under D'Antoni, but they could have the talent to do it.

That leaves Al Harrington available for the MLE, by the way...to join TA, Sheed, and Baby on our bench?

Where are you getting your numbers because you seem to be forgetting eddie Curry's $11.2 million contract which I guarantee he won't opt out of.

Numbers courtesy of our mutual friends at Shamsports.

Aside from Curry, everyone else under contract is on a rookie deal.  That's why it's so low.

EDIT:  Oops...transcription error on my part.  With Lee at $10.5, they'd have $26.8 committed, not $17.8, leaving $27.2 available, just under 2 max FA's, which would take around $33 mil.

Note:  had to edit again...having a bad math day.

[nickagneta]

If I were Bosh, I'd be looking to sign on with a top SG, likely either Wade or Joe Johnson, rather than LeBron, largely because he (or anyone else) won't ever earn any respect in LeBron's shadow.  Wade, for no good reason, doesn't cast as long a shadow as LBJ.

I'm sticking by my earlier prediction that, in the end, Joe Johnson and Bosh suffer from the same lack-of-respect problem, and would be a great fit next to each other.  Since 1) NYK is the only team that can sign two max FA's, and 2) David Lee has the same problem, my prediction is that both Bosh and JJ end up in NY, with NYC endorsements washing out FLA income tax advantages, and playing with David Lee and some solid young wings sealing the deal.

Or something like that...

I haven't checked the numbers, but from memory, I don't think NY has enough to sign two max free agents plus retain Lee.  I believe they'll have to either renounce Lee, or include him in a sign-and-trade.

I thought it'd be tight, but hadn't checked the numbers either.

Checking, it'd be close.  If they don't give Sergio the qual offer, renounced everyone but Lee, I think they might pull it off.

They've got (w/o Sergio) about $16,3 committed.
Lee's cap hold is $10.5, which he's worth...$17.8 mil w/Lee.
Assuming a cap number of $54 mil, that leaves $36.2, which should just about do 2 max guys.  Check out the lineup:

Toney Douglas/vet min PG
Joe Johnson/Chandler
Gallinari/Future Superstar Bill Walker [kidding, kidding]
Bosh
Lee/Eddy Curry

I'm pretty sure that there will be quite a bit of talent that falls to the minimum this summer for a team like that to fill out their roster, particularly guys that don't get what they want this year, and need minutes in a player-friendly system on a playoff-bound team to boost their values for the following summer.  Make no mistake, the Knicks have the opportunity to do much damage next year, and could even build a team with an outside shot at going the distance, not ulike our 08 team.  I mean, not under D'Antoni, but they could have the talent to do it.

That leaves Al Harrington available for the MLE, by the way...to join TA, Sheed, and Baby on our bench?

Where are you getting your numbers because you seem to be forgetting eddie Curry's $11.2 million contract which I guarantee he won't opt out of.

Numbers courtesy of our mutual friends at Shamsports.

Aside from Curry, everyone else under contract is on a rookie deal.  That's why it's so low.

Re-read the page you are reading it wrong

With Curry, Chandler, Douglas, Gallinari and Walker they have $18.6 committed before holds.

You must then have 12 players held minimum with every empty slot committed at slightly less than $900K. 7 empty slots at $900K each is another $6.3 million

That puts them at $24.9 million and that's with renouncing Lee and Sergio. So they technically won't have enough for two max level guys like Wade or lebron or Bosh unless the salary cap is set at $58 million since the max salary for those guys are $16.3 million per year.

There is no way to keep Lee and sign two max level guys.

[nickagneta]

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That's better

Bad math days are never better.  Thank goodness it wasn't bill paying day...

Let me try to salvage an idea of the Reconstruction of the Knicks:

I refigured it, paying Lee $9 mil to start, and they end up with $25.1 mil in room, so a couple of players would need to take a discount.  I doubt Bosh would, but Lee might to get a 6th year.  

If Lee stays for 6 years starting at 8 million, that's still over a $50 million deal, and I don't think he'll get anythign better, and NYK get 26.1 in space to give Bosh the max.  Would JJ sign for a starting number at $10 million to play with Bosh and Lee, with shooters like Gallo and Chandler at SF?  Probably not.

Who would?  I think they could either offer Rudy Gay $10 mil, or split it on two guys, resulting in two near-mid level deals.

Lineup:

Douglas/vet min PG
Mike Miller/Travis Outlaw
Gallinari/Chandler
Bosh
Lee/Curry

If there is any talent available for the minum at al, this is close to a D'Antoniball dream team.

Not too bad...

[nickagneta]

That's better

Bad math days are never better.  Thank goodness it wasn't bill paying day...

I refigured it, paying Lee $9 mil to start, and they end up with $25.1 mil in room, so a couple of players would need to take a discount.  I doubt Bosh would, but JJ might, as might Lee to stay (and get a 6th year). 

If Lee stays for 6 years starting at 8 million, that's still over a $50 million deal, and I don't think he'll get anythign better, and NYK get 26.1 in space to give Bosh the max.  Would JJ sign for a starting number at $10 million to play with Bosh and Lee, with shooters like Gallo and Chandler at SF?  Who would?

You're forgetting the holds for empty roster slots. That's another $5.6 million off JJ's salary.

You're basically asking JJ to sign for less than the MLE to go to NY. He'll be a 10 year vet so his max salary is $18.6 million. Your saying he's going to take a $14 million a year cut in pay?

Lee can not stay in NY and have the Knicks get 2 max type guys.

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Bad math days are never better.  Thank goodness it wasn't bill paying day...

I refigured it, paying Lee $9 mil to start, and they end up with $25.1 mil in room, so a couple of players would need to take a discount.  I doubt Bosh would, but JJ might, as might Lee to stay (and get a 6th year). 

If Lee stays for 6 years starting at 8 million, that's still over a $50 million deal, and I don't think he'll get anythign better, and NYK get 26.1 in space to give Bosh the max.  Would JJ sign for a starting number at $10 million to play with Bosh and Lee, with shooters like Gallo and Chandler at SF?  Who would?

You're forgetting the holds for empty roster slots. That's another $5.6 million off JJ's salary.

You're basically asking JJ to sign for less than the MLE to go to NY. He'll be a 10 year vet so his max salary is $18.6 million. Your saying he's going to take a $14 million a year cut in pay?

Lee can not stay in NY and have the Knicks get 2 max type guys.

I remembered the roster holds this time (ugh).

Sidebar:  This is a nice reminder that I don't really want to be a GM.  Okay...I still do.

Starting at $16.1 w/o Lee or Sergio.

Lee...........8 mil
Bosh.........16.3 mil
Subtotal.....40.4 for 7 players, need 5 more
5 holds......4.5 million
Subtotal.....44.9 million
Est. cap.....54 million
Space........9.1 million


holds disappear when a player is signed, right?  they dont' stay there forever, being reduced by $900k for each guy signed?  So the 8th guy be signed for starting at $10 million, then 4 minimum guys?

Rudy Gay's cap hold is a nuthair under $10 million.

Or split it up between Mike Miller and Trav Outlaw.

James Singleton (Wiz) and Hakeem Warrick both played for the minimum last (this) season.

I think the Knicks have enough cash available to do some serious damage, but no, not two max's like I initially thought.

It may be important for us to note that they COULD offer a max to someone, plus still offer $10 million to Ray Allen.  We could offer the full MLE to Mike Miller and/or Outlaw to drive up their cost to NY.

It's going to be a fun offseason

[Roy Hobbs]

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Bad math days are never better.  Thank goodness it wasn't bill paying day...

I refigured it, paying Lee $9 mil to start, and they end up with $25.1 mil in room, so a couple of players would need to take a discount.  I doubt Bosh would, but JJ might, as might Lee to stay (and get a 6th year). 

If Lee stays for 6 years starting at 8 million, that's still over a $50 million deal, and I don't think he'll get anythign better, and NYK get 26.1 in space to give Bosh the max.  Would JJ sign for a starting number at $10 million to play with Bosh and Lee, with shooters like Gallo and Chandler at SF?  Who would?

You're forgetting the holds for empty roster slots. That's another $5.6 million off JJ's salary.

You're basically asking JJ to sign for less than the MLE to go to NY. He'll be a 10 year vet so his max salary is $18.6 million. Your saying he's going to take a $14 million a year cut in pay?

Lee can not stay in NY and have the Knicks get 2 max type guys.

One thing to keep in mind, nick:  the "roster charges" for guys below the minimum roster size (i.e., anybody below 13 players) is the rookie minimum salary, which is $473,604 next season (rather than the $900k noted above).

Still, you're absolutely right that these need to be accounted for, and they'll subtract millions from New York's cap space.

[misha]

Nicks need to find a way to get rid of Eddy Curry's contract.

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Nicks need to find a way to get rid of Eddy Curry's contract.

D'Antoni's, too...