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Re: Dwight suspension?
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2010, 12:53:24 AM »

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Well, I just think that Dwight got caught up in the moment. Happens to the best of us.

It was certainly out of character for him..to intentionally sling someone to the floor, as big as he is, was scary, to say the least.

It will be interesting to see how the League handles it.

I'm just glad we got out of there with two wins.

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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2010, 12:55:47 AM »

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Well, I just think that Dwight got caught up in the moment. Happens to the best of us.

It was certainly out of character for him..to intentionally sling someone to the floor, as big as he is, was scary, to say the least.

It will be interesting to see how the League handles it.

I'm just glad we got out of there with two wins.
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Re: Dwight suspension?
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2010, 12:55:57 AM »

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It doesn't look that bad to me but then I didn't see it live so maybe that's why. Flagrant 1 sounds right. I'll be surprised if he gets suspended.
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Re: Dwight suspension?
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2010, 12:56:34 AM »

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It was certainly out of character for him..
Yeah usually he just throws an elbow at their head. Weird for him to use his hands like that....

Seriously Dwight has a history of shots like this, he gets frustrated when teams foul the crap out of him all game long.

Re: Dwight suspension?
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2010, 01:03:40 AM »

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It was certainly out of character for him..
Yeah usually he just throws an elbow at their head. Weird for him to use his hands like that....

Seriously Dwight has a history of shots like this, he gets frustrated when teams foul the crap out of him all game long.

Yeah..I see your point. I had forgotten about the elbow to the head of Dalembert.

SVG had better reel his Center in..it's ok to put folks on the freethrow line, but if Dwight gets suspended, the Magic won't be able to overcome that, I think.

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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2010, 01:19:40 AM »

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I don't want to see Dwight suspended for that; it's the playoffs, but I think it will probably go to review.

That right arm really seemed like it was going directly at the head.

I know it has been said before, but Howard really gets flustered too quickly. I know he is subject to pestering of defense and gets fouled more than a few times.But he really needs to get his temper in check. It is going to cost his team eventually.  

Re: Dwight suspension?
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2010, 01:39:42 AM »

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Well, I disagree with most, he definately should be suspended for that. You cnanot have guys that big swinging at other guys heads on the court, period. Had Howard come down on Pierce shoulders instead of his head AND had he made any attempt WHATSOEVER at the ball, I'd say Flagrant 1.

This? Flagrant 2, no question.  If Perk did that, as someone else mentioned, he's ejected, Minimum. MINIMUM.

KG barely grazed a guy's head with an open ahnd during a scrum one time in Sacramento I think and he got suspended.

While I think Qrich should have been suspended for perhpas 2-3 games because had HE NOT INSTIGATED that melee, no one would have been put in danger, KG deserved to get his one game suspension for throwing a "fairly soft" elbow at Qrich.

Howard's foul was far more intentional and far, far more dangerous.

If that gets you a suspension, when you are being antagonised as KG was, then this one by Howard, which was clearly intentionally and with zero attempt at the ball, deserves a suspension.

And it's not because I want him gone. I'd say the same if it were Perk that had done it. That's not basketball and should have no place on the court.

Haard raking fouls on the arms? Yes. Tying someone up hard? Yes.

That play? No way.     

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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2010, 01:51:40 AM »

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Well, I disagree with most, he definately should be suspended for that. You cnanot have guys that big swinging at other guys heads on the court, period. Had Howard come down on Pierce shoulders instead of his head AND had he made any attempt WHATSOEVER at the ball, I'd say Flagrant 1.

This? Flagrant 2, no question.  If Perk did that, as someone else mentioned, he's ejected, Minimum. MINIMUM.

KG barely grazed a guy's head with an open ahnd during a scrum one time in Sacramento I think and he got suspended.

While I think Qrich should have been suspended for perhpas 2-3 games because had HE NOT INSTIGATED that melee, no one would have been put in danger, KG deserved to get his one game suspension for throwing a "fairly soft" elbow at Qrich.

Howard's foul was far more intentional and far, far more dangerous.

If that gets you a suspension, when you are being antagonised as KG was, then this one by Howard, which was clearly intentionally and with zero attempt at the ball, deserves a suspension.

And it's not because I want him gone. I'd say the same if it were Perk that had done it. That's not basketball and should have no place on the court.

Haard raking fouls on the arms? Yes. Tying someone up hard? Yes.

That play? No way.     

If there is ANY Fairness in this BOGUS league...he gets a 1 game suspension---he was TOTALLY trying to intentionally hurt Pierce---he was NOT going for the ball at all---he even threw Paul to the ground on top of it---How he wasn't kicked out of the game is beyond me.....it better at LEAST get reviewed.

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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2010, 01:54:55 AM »

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Well, I disagree with most, he definately should be suspended for that. You cnanot have guys that big swinging at other guys heads on the court, period. Had Howard come down on Pierce shoulders instead of his head AND had he made any attempt WHATSOEVER at the ball, I'd say Flagrant 1.

A) Yes, size matters to a degree but you can't punish Howard for his height. B) In the half a second in which a moving Pierce is going to the basket it is hard to claim Howard rather than trying to give a hard, playoff foul, and yes not playing the ball, is intentionally trying to hit Pierce's head. He didn't try for the ball entirely. That is why he got a flagrant one. That is what a flagrant one is. This wasn't some brutal hit. Paul got back up. He was fine. He said himself he didn't think Howard should be ejected, that it was a good hard playoff foul.

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This? Flagrant 2, no question.  If Perk did that, as someone else mentioned, he's ejected, Minimum. MINIMUM.

I really don't buy that Perk gets tossed for that. Yes, the Association has demonstrated what one could call different standards at times for players of different statures but they have been pretty clear actually about flagrant fouls. And it isn't like Amare wasn't suspended in the playoffs, Patrick Ewing for barely leaving the bench, KG for his elbow, etc etc. That was a flagrant one.

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KG barely grazed a guy's head with an open ahnd during a scrum one time in Sacramento I think and he got suspended.

While I think Qrich should have been suspended for perhpas 2-3 games because had HE NOT INSTIGATED that melee, no one would have been put in danger, KG deserved to get his one game suspension for throwing a "fairly soft" elbow at Qrich.

Howard's foul was far more intentional and far, far more dangerous.

You can't compare a foul in the action of basketball play to an elbow in a scrum. Period. The league doesn't look at them the same. A foul is different from pushing, shoving, elbows, punches. A foul occurs in a moment where contact is part of the natural flow of the game. KG's elbow, for example, happened outside the course of basketball action. The league views that as a time in which contact with another player is not to happen. Howard's foul was intentional but it was intentional in a time when contact happens. KG was incidental but in a time that in the view of the NBA no contact should happen. They are radically different.

The play this would be closer in comparison to is Rondo's hit on Brad Miller. No flagrant was even assessed on that play.

And, KG did not get a flagrant. He got two technicals. In that alone they are qualitatively different not  quantitatively different.

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If that gets you a suspension, when you are being antagonised as KG was, then this one by Howard, which was clearly intentionally and with zero attempt at the ball, deserves a suspension.

And it's not because I want him gone. I'd say the same if it were Perk that had done it. That's not basketball and should have no place on the court.

Haard raking fouls on the arms? Yes. Tying someone up hard? Yes.

That play? No way.     

Well, I have stated why I don't think Howard should be suspended. And it would hold for Perk, or Bynum or Amare. No player deserves a suspension or ejection for that foul. It was a flagrant one, yes, but that is all. A textbook example of a flagrant one. A flagrant one was called, we all move on.
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Re: Dwight suspension?
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2010, 01:56:59 AM »

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It was certainly out of character for him..
Yeah usually he just throws an elbow at their head. Weird for him to use his hands like that....

Seriously Dwight has a history of shots like this, he gets frustrated when teams foul the crap out of him all game long.

Exactly. (TP) He's been doing this kind of stuff forever, but his "Superman" cape hides his flaws from most of his fans, (that's not literal).

The guy has a problem taking what he dishes out, though ... even though he never commits a foul, (just ask him).

We all know if this had been Perk or KG, they would have been suspended without hesitation, but there are no double-standards in the NBA, right? ;)
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Re: Dwight suspension?
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2010, 02:18:07 AM »

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The things people say...

Like Perk would have been ejected.  ??? How the heck could anyone know? Utter nonsense. Remember Rondo swinging at Miller's head last year? Clear flagrant that was just a 2 shot foul. The Refs are as nice to us as anyone else.

We have been hammering Howard all series. No one does this to injure anyone, but they do want to hurt other as disincentive to go into the lane.

Howard went at the head and that is a flagrant. But people are getting carried away and showing some hypocrisy too with the way we have been hammering Howard.

Considering what Rafer Alston got suspended for last year, there is always a risk with shots to the head. It is also better for us that Howard was't ejected since that means there is a chance of a next game ejection. I'd rather have him playing though.

Re: Dwight suspension?
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2010, 07:27:25 AM »

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I don't think he should be suspended. It was a flagrant one and was called as one. But in David Sterns NBA, it's flip a coin. Guys have been suspended for much less. There's just no consistancy in the leagues front office.

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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2010, 07:45:31 AM »

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Re: Dwight suspension?
« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2010, 07:48:23 AM »

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The more I look at that replay of him taking Pierce down....

Yes Dwight Howard should be suspended. He was facing Pierce and deliberately took him down..aimed for the head and everything. He knew fully what he was doing.

Back in the day, if Dwight did that against New York when Charles Oakley played for them, he would've taken Dwight down.

No matter how physical we've been with Dwight, we haven't been outright dirty - like that play.

It was Intentional.

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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2010, 07:56:20 AM »

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Pierce was first raked across the forehead by Pietrus that left scratches and then hit hard by Howard, so it was a double whammy.  On the Orlando boards there was some concern that it would be upgraded to a flagrant 2 but most felt it wasn't even a flagrant 1. 

Personally,  I don't want to see him suspended. We can beat them with him.  It's the playoffs.  If they didn't call a flagrant 2 in the game, don't upgrade it.