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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2010, 10:27:25 AM »

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i am not big on reading into body language and all, but this team looked exhausted at walking off the floor yesterday. part of it is the correct mentality of "it is only one game", but they were just exhausted. no one high fived, they went to the locker room and if you did not know better, you would have thought they were the losing team.

i have to assume it is partially the minutes, partially the intensity of the playoff games. rondo played great yesterday (as usual) but did slow down in fourth quarter. the whole team hit a wall, and the only guy to hit big baskets in the fourth was a reserve, glen davis.

i think it is rough for doc, but he has to find some rest for these guys early so we do not fade late. we held on yesterday, which is all that matters. rondo played 46 minutes, ray 40, pierce almost 42.

the game also took 3 hours. doc figures with all the breaks and rest that NBA/ABC afford, you can play the guys heavy minutes, but i think it is hard to argue that this team was a tired group in the last 6 minutes.
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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #61 on: May 17, 2010, 11:16:19 AM »

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Every player should get a few minutes rest during these games....We have people and rotations to provide this...It is also a good time to see from the bench what the other team is doing, and how to fix things from your position. We have Nate as a pg. With a team like Orlando, every little mistake will be capitalized on. Taking Rondo out for a blow will not kill our team...like one other poster said, we were up by 18...that is a good time to get Nate in..you have to keep Nate in the rotation...JUST IN CASE...Rondo does get thrown down hard too often...! Always have plan B ready to roll..!

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #62 on: May 18, 2010, 08:35:29 AM »

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And we might be playing the Lakers in the finals so one of your best bet of hurting LA is the PG position so when Farmar comes in have Nate school him and slide Rondo to guard Brown.

BTW someone mentioned that the Lakers have a 6th man player in Odom yea well we have a 6th man in Nate and a guy who can considered to be a 6th man in Daniels and neither plays.

4-6 mins for Nate Robinson would be great in every game from now on at least to get him going and we all know the kid can put up 10 pts in this span.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2010, 08:41:13 AM »

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And we might be playing the Lakers in the finals so one of your best bet of hurting LA is the PG position so when Farmar comes in have Nate school him and slide Rondo to guard Brown.

BTW someone mentioned that the Lakers have a 6th man player in Odom yea well we have a 6th man in Nate and a guy who can considered to be a 6th man in Daniels and neither plays.

4-6 mins for Nate Robinson would be great in every game from now on at least to get him going and we all know the kid can put up 10 pts in this span.
On this team Nate Robinson is not a sixth man.

On this team Nate Robinson isn't even considered an 11th man.

Nate was a mistake and many here said he would be and he has been. He's a short chucker who can't play defense or involve his team mates in plays and who's only better than average NBA skill is winning a meaningless dunk contest.

The Celtics should have let him rot at the end of D'Antoni's bench in New York and kept Eddie, House and Walker.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #64 on: May 18, 2010, 08:59:22 AM »

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I love it how Nate's lack of playing time during the playoffs is suddenly seen as a validation of Nate not being able to play in this team, while House was faced with the same situation in 2008 and look how that turned out.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #65 on: May 18, 2010, 09:13:48 AM »

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I love it how Nate's lack of playing time during the playoffs is suddenly seen as a validation of Nate not being able to play in this team, while House was faced with the same situation in 2008 and look how that turned out.
I'm sorry, has Nate's lack of playing time validated his inability to play for this team or has it been maybe, oh I don't know, his play?

He has been bad since coming here. He can't guard anyone and doesn't get the Celtics defensive rotations. He's shooting below 41% from the field and just doesn't get any of his team mates involved in the game because he wants to shoot first and foremost. His 22% assist percentage since he's been here is just awful for a PG.

Eddie sat in 2008 because management brought in a true PG in Cassell who then went into a prolonged shooting slump forcing the switch back to Eddie. But here's the point you conveniently leave out. Eddie had earned the trust of his coach but had just slumped badly in March and April of 2008. His lack of ball handling skills further compounded the need to go to Cassell how had many other talents as well as clutch championship experience to offer. Nate has NEVER earned the trust of this coaching staff and brings little else to the table except being able to shoot because he has the ball in his hands so often.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #66 on: May 18, 2010, 09:16:34 AM »

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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #67 on: May 18, 2010, 09:36:48 AM »

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Just because a move doesn't work doesn't mean it was a bad move.
It doesn't mean it was a good one either.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #68 on: May 18, 2010, 09:54:04 AM »

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I love it how Nate's lack of playing time during the playoffs is suddenly seen as a validation of Nate not being able to play in this team, while House was faced with the same situation in 2008 and look how that turned out.
I'm sorry, has Nate's lack of playing time validated his inability to play for this team or has it been maybe, oh I don't know, his play?

He has been bad since coming here. He can't guard anyone and doesn't get the Celtics defensive rotations. He's shooting below 41% from the field and just doesn't get any of his team mates involved in the game because he wants to shoot first and foremost. His 22% assist percentage since he's been here is just awful for a PG.

Eddie sat in 2008 because management brought in a true PG in Cassell who then went into a prolonged shooting slump forcing the switch back to Eddie. But here's the point you conveniently leave out. Eddie had earned the trust of his coach but had just slumped badly in March and April of 2008. His lack of ball handling skills further compounded the need to go to Cassell how had many other talents as well as clutch championship experience to offer. Nate has NEVER earned the trust of this coaching staff and brings little else to the table except being able to shoot because he has the ball in his hands so often.

Well, one can also argue that in part the problem is a coaching deficiency.

For one, I can see Nate working quite well with a unit of TA and RA or Pierce. We really haven't seen him playing alongside a playoff type rotation, which is part of the problem of when you chug out 5 man units like Doc likes to do.

I very much think that Nate can play in this team. Sure, his lack of height is a concern and rightly so, but it doesn't mean that there aren't right match-ups out there were we can use him.

Also, it stands to reason that the lack of focus the TEAM had throughout the second half didn't help matters in helping assimilate Nate into this team.

What did Sheed do to gain Doc's trust during the season? Absolutely nothing... other than praying for him to show up, and he did. Everyone in the 2nd unit fell out of favor, except for TA.

I mean, if we're going to judge by regular season, what are we doing in the 3rd round at the moment?

Nate hasn't be given the opportunity. He isn't playing, so things aren't looking out too good for him, but until he gets the opportunity there's really no use in judging him and his capability to produce for us during the playoffs.

For 3 years now I've been mentioning that TA has played much better during the playoffs, particularly as far as turnovers are concerned. Finally this year he has been given the opportunity, and we're seeing the results. Does that mean that he would have played like this before? No, but it doesn't mean that he couldn't have helped us in the past either.

Also, there are quite a few situation in which Nate's strength can be used to exploit, like against Jason Williams for example.

With all that said, I'm very happy with the current rotation (except when he's using Finley). But that doesn't give me the excuse to judge Nate's playing when he hasn't been playing if you get my drift.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #69 on: May 18, 2010, 10:04:38 AM »

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You know, I'll never get the "blame the coach because a playing isn't performing" excuse to defend players.

Nate was sitting in NY and not performing to needed expectations...must be coach's fault.

Nate is shipped to Boston.

Nate is sitting in Boston and not performing to needed expectations...must be different coach's fault.

How is it Doc can get Baby and Sheed and Tony and the starters and so many others over the past decade to perform to a needed expectation within his system yet suddenly Nate's performance can't be judged because of coaching deficiency?


Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #70 on: May 18, 2010, 10:09:16 AM »

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You know, I'll never get the "blame the coach because a playing isn't performing" excuse to defend players.

Nate was sitting in NY and not performing to needed expectations...must be coach's fault.

Nate is shipped to Boston.

Nate is sitting in Boston and not performing to needed expectations...must be different coach's fault.

How is it Doc can get Baby and Sheed and Tony and the starters and so many others over the past decade to perform to a needed expectation within his system yet suddenly Nate's performance can't be judged because of coaching deficiency?


I'm not blaming the coach. I'm saying that the case could be made AND is a possibility. But not enough to draw conclusions just as lack of playing time (and having playing time) don't suggest anything about a players' capability to play the game. It simply suggests something about a coach's judgement, be it good or bad.

The game is littered with players that get playing time when they shouldn't be, and the game is littered with players not getting time that should be for me to simply judge a player based on whether he's getting on the court or not.

I mean, you've been one of TA's biggest complainers through the past years, and yet he was getting playing time. How was Doc's judgement then? So we really can't have it both ways as far as I'm concerned.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2010, 10:20:51 AM »

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Rondo wasn't any more tired than usual in the 4th.  The C's (far too) frequently try to milk the clock when they're up big in the fourth.  When they do, they get into their sets much later in the clock, resulting in lower percentage shots, misses, and long rebounds which then allow the opposition to get out in transition and get easier baskets.  So the damage is twofold:  they're not scoring, and they're making it easier for the opposition to score (which then makes it easier for the opponent to set up their halfcourt defense).  If they would keep running their regular sets, they'd make more shots, which gives them more time to get into their own halfcourt defense and get more stops on the other end.  

Seriously, how many times in the last 6 minutes of the fourth did they just walk the ball up and hold the ball up top until there were only a few seconds on the clock?  
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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2010, 10:23:26 AM »

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Rondo wasn't any more tired than usual in the 4th.  The C's (far too) frequently try to milk the clock when they're up big in the fourth.  When they do, they get into their sets much later in the clock, resulting in lower percentage shots, misses, and long rebounds which then allow the opposition to get out in transition and get easier baskets.  So the damage is twofold:  they're not scoring, and they're making it easier for the opposition to score (which then makes it easier for the opponent to set up their halfcourt defense).  If they would keep running their regular sets, they'd make more shots, which gives them more time to get into their own halfcourt defense and get more stops on the other end. 

Seriously, how many times in the last 6 minutes of the fourth did they just walk the ball up and hold the ball up top until there were only a few seconds on the clock? 

I myself didn't feel that they were milking the clock this time around. I thought that there was a problem with execution and just a lot of dumb plays, plus miss opportunities (KG missing near the basket on single coverage for example, after a great pass from Rondo).

We also started shooting a lot of jumpshots.

Overall poor decisions all around and poor execution. I didn't see them trying to milk the clock much.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2010, 10:42:21 AM »

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Just because a move doesn't work doesn't mean it was a bad move.
It doesn't mean it was a good one either.
Trading away a prospect who'd shown little and a bench shooter who was defensive liability for a potential backup point/scorer was worth it.

The Celtics gave up little, and ended up getting little *shrug*. It was worth the shot, especially given our offensive struggles during the second half of the season.

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« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2010, 10:44:42 AM »

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What's with the excessive Rs in Rondo's name in the title?


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