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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2010, 07:50:15 PM »

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There flatly isn't a good reason to bring Nate Robinson into a game at this point unless it's garbage time - he doesn't pass the basketball and he couldn't guard me.

That trade was an absolute disaster.
I don't think so. The way House has played this season, Robinson wasn't a downgrade over him -- and he's still insurance on the bench if push comes to shove.
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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2010, 07:50:48 PM »

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There flatly isn't a good reason to bring Nate Robinson into a game at this point unless it's garbage time - he doesn't pass the basketball and he couldn't guard me.

That trade was an absolute disaster.

Eh.  Maybe.  But I'm not sure that House, Giddens, or Walker would be playing either.  More of a wash.  

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2010, 07:51:52 PM »

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There flatly isn't a good reason to bring Nate Robinson into a game at this point unless it's garbage time - he doesn't pass the basketball and he couldn't guard me.

That trade was an absolute disaster.

Honestly, though, Eddie House wouldn't have been much better...Nate does the same things.  Eddie was a defensive liability and couldn't pass.  The trade made sense on paper.

I think what Danny didn't take into account was that Nate is kind of immature and fragile mentally.  I think in NY he could score with such confidence because whether he scored 5 or 20, took 30 shots or 3 shots, his team was probably going to lose and there was no pressure on him to play defense or have a guy really trying to cover him on the other end.  

When he came to Boston he landed in a situation where his actions could actually affect the outcome of the game and his teammates, his coaches, and his fans all actually cared what the outcome of each game was.  That put pressure on him that he wasn't used to facing, and so he had a hard time being able to score the way he did in NY.
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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2010, 07:52:20 PM »

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Totally disagree with that. Totally.

Robinson is a bad fit for the Celtics - nothing but a midget jumpshooter who doesn't play a second of defense.

And you forget three things: House knows the system. House can knock down the perimeter shot. And Bill Walker was included in the deal.

Today, this one looks like Ainge's worst trade since the move for Sebustian Tellfailure.
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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2010, 07:53:23 PM »

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Totally disagree with that. Totally.

Robinson is a bad fit for the Celtics - nothing but a midget jumpshooter who doesn't play a second of defense.

And you forget three things: House knows the system. House can knock down the perimeter shot. And Bill Walker was included in the deal.

Today, this one looks like Ainge's worst trade since the move for Sebustian Tellfailure.

All three still would be where Nate is right now: on the bench (and Giddens and Walker would probably be inactive). 


Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2010, 07:56:37 PM »

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Nah. Doc had faith in House. He'd play House.

And Eddie House is Scottie Pippen defensively compared to Robinson.

It isn't a deal that will make or break a title - as long as Doc keeps Nate buried where he belongs. But it was a totally unnecessary deal that didn't help a thing.

Nate will get a tasteful going-away gift once the playoffs are over, and he'll turn up somewhere on another loser like the Knicks.
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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2010, 07:57:40 PM »

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Nah. Doc had faith in House. He'd play House.

And Eddie House is Scottie Pippen defensively compared to Robinson.

It isn't a deal that will make or break a title - as long as Doc keeps Nate buried where he belongs. But it was a totally unnecessary deal that didn't help a thing.

Nate will get a tasteful going-away gift once the playoffs are over, and he'll turn up somewhere on another loser like the Knicks.

And that's my main problem right there. Doc trusts House and would've played him. I rather like my rotation with the players that are currently playing that insert House in there.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2010, 07:58:58 PM »

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Totally disagree with that. Totally.

Robinson is a bad fit for the Celtics - nothing but a midget jumpshooter who doesn't play a second of defense.

And you forget three things: House knows the system. House can knock down the perimeter shot. And Bill Walker was included in the deal.

Today, this one looks like Ainge's worst trade since the move for Sebustian Tellfailure.

House was a terrible defender too.  He could knock down the perimeter shot, but I'd much rather have TA in at SG or PG than Eddie House.  Our bench is better without him, honestly, as big as some of his 3's occasionally were.  Eddie finished the year with .348% from deep anyway; he's a total liability unless he's hitting over 40%.

I really think Bill Walker benefited in NY from the same thing Nate benefited from - no expectations, no pressure.  He could just focus on scoring and looking as good as possible without worrying about winning or play defense.  He would be riding the pine right now just like Nate is.  Giddens is not an NBA player.
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Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2010, 08:13:34 PM »

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It was worth the experiment to see what Nate could do.

I am fine with Rondo's minutes as his conditioning has been incredible and there is a lot of rest between games.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2010, 08:15:44 PM »

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uhh....we kind of need him.
Grab a few boards, keep the TO's under 14, close out on shooters and we'll win.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2010, 08:23:17 PM »

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Rondo's the only one with any chance of slowing down Nelson. And if Nelson gets going, then Orlando get going. Rondo did exactly what he was supposed to do tonight. Nelson got his 20, but he had to work, and he couldn't set much else up. I hope to see the same thing throughout the series. This is the only tough match-up he's going to see this whole post-season.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2010, 08:58:15 PM »

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Nah. Doc had faith in House. He'd play House.

And Eddie House is Scottie Pippen defensively compared to Robinson.

It isn't a deal that will make or break a title - as long as Doc keeps Nate buried where he belongs. But it was a totally unnecessary deal that didn't help a thing.

Nate will get a tasteful going-away gift once the playoffs are over, and he'll turn up somewhere on another loser like the Knicks.

And that's my main problem right there. Doc trusts House and would've played him. I rather like my rotation with the players that are currently playing that insert House in there.
Doc would have played House at the expense of Tony Allen - which would have been a mistake this year / post-season.

Nate is a better Rondo injury insurance policy than Tony. B/c Nate can bring the ball up and help on offense, his D would stink, but insurance isn't perfect.

Plus he's a great towel waver so far.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2010, 09:14:38 PM »

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I think the minutes were more Doc trying to secure game 1. He can see how Rondo reacts and rest him more in game 2.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2010, 09:58:38 PM »

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Totally disagree with that. Totally.

Robinson is a bad fit for the Celtics - nothing but a midget jumpshooter who doesn't play a second of defense.

And you forget three things: House knows the system. House can knock down the perimeter shot. And Bill Walker was included in the deal.

Today, this one looks like Ainge's worst trade since the move for Sebustian Tellfailure.

House was a terrible defender too.  He could knock down the perimeter shot, but I'd much rather have TA in at SG or PG than Eddie House.  Our bench is better without him, honestly, as big as some of his 3's occasionally were.  Eddie finished the year with .348% from deep anyway; he's a total liability unless he's hitting over 40%.

I really think Bill Walker benefited in NY from the same thing Nate benefited from - no expectations, no pressure.  He could just focus on scoring and looking as good as possible without worrying about winning or play defense.  He would be riding the pine right now just like Nate is.  Giddens is not an NBA player.

I agree with a lot of this. If they need a 3 point shooter they can always go with Finley.  Eddie in small doses is great but Doc ended up playing House to much. It wasn't intended to be addition by subtraction but I think that is what it is. I have no problem with Tony being the backup point either.

Re: What's up with RRondo excesive minutes?
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2010, 10:16:30 PM »

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There flatly isn't a good reason to bring Nate Robinson into a game at this point unless it's garbage time - he doesn't pass the basketball and he couldn't guard me.

I agree with the first sentence but disagree with the first. Nate impressed me with both his willingness and ability to pass. He also impressed me with his effort. I think he really really tried to play defense, but he just couldn't get the schemes down. If we re-signed him, not that I think we will, but I wouldn't be unhappy. He surprised in many ways, and I think another with the team and he'd contribute.