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Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« on: May 16, 2010, 06:43:37 PM »

Offline FanInTheSouth

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Since I live in NC and don't get to watch C's games very often, I was wondering why Daniels doesn't play anymore?  I was under the impression when we signed him that he was supposed to be our first guy off the bench for anything in the backcourt.  I haven't watched many games due to my location and I know that he missed a lot of games early due to injury, but what else is there that keeps him off the court? 

A few side notes...

Redick seemed to be the Magic's best player tonight, he should play more if they want to beat the C's. 

Why in the world did the Magic pay Rashard Lewis $110 million when he is currently their 4th best player? 

Totally impressed with Tony Allen and what he has done in the playoffs.  Love what he is bringing off the bench.

Great win tonight.  I know that we totally let them back in the game in the 4th, but getting the 1st win is huge and I hope that they feel over-confident with the way they came back at the end.

Re: Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2010, 06:55:35 PM »

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Marquis suffered an injury to his thumb a little ways into the season (and he'd been playing solid up till then.)  He tried to come back from the injury after some time but wasn't able to really get into any kind of good rhythm.  Tony started playing well in his stead and now Tony's got the primary wing position off the bench.

Re: Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2010, 07:04:03 PM »

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Because Tony Allen earned Daniels' minutes. TA comes into games and simply wreaks havoc, which is something that Marquis hasn't been able to do. Allen is a better defender (he did a great job on LeBron), and on offense he can provide a spark if the team needs one by getting out on the break with Rondo and finishing.

The main reason why we brought Daniels in was to be a better, more under-control version of Allen. Daniels also has better handles so management thought he could play the backup pg better than TA. As it turns out, we don't really need a backup pg right now because Rondo plays the whole game. Also, Daniels' defense has been unimpressive for the most part, and he failed to make an impact on most games he entered during the regular season. TA is showing game in and game out that he is an IMPACT player. Lastly, TA's biggest flaw is that he's prone to making stupid mistakes and turning the ball over, as opposed to 'Quis who plays more conservatively. By and large this year, Allen has stopped making those mistakes and turnovers, which combined with everything else makes it a no-brainer to give Tony the nod instead of Marquis.


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Re: Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2010, 07:06:11 PM »

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Long story short, because we need Tony's defense and energy more than we need Marquis' ball-handling.

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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2010, 07:08:42 PM »

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I would like to see more of him, instead of inserting Finley.

Re: Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2010, 07:13:37 PM »

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I would like to see more of him, instead of inserting Finley.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.  I'd like to see Finley restricted to "final shot" type of situations.

Marquis could at least give Rondo some additional rest, if nothing else.

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Re: Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2010, 07:14:17 PM »

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while we're on this topic, it looks now like trading eddie for nate was a wasted move. robinson is contributing zero other than being a great cheerleader ........ eddie would have been getting minutes right now and giving us a little offense and some energy at a minimum.

of course, the way it appears right now ......... acquiring daniels & sheed was a waste of money as well. seems we already had a good bench in place w/ TA and Baby - who would have known though ??
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Re: Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2010, 07:39:01 PM »

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I'd say the biggest reason is probably having superstars at the 1, 2, and 3.  Given the huge minutes they all play, there's really only minutes for one backup for the 1-3 slots, and as others have explained, TA's earned those minutes. 

No sense in playing lesser players unless superior players are fatigued. 

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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2010, 07:42:50 PM »

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while we're on this topic, it looks now like trading eddie for nate was a wasted move. robinson is contributing zero other than being a great cheerleader ........ eddie would have been getting minutes right now and giving us a little offense and some energy at a minimum.

of course, the way it appears right now ......... acquiring daniels & sheed was a waste of money as well. seems we already had a good bench in place w/ TA and Baby - who would have known though ??

Say what you will, but at the time most NBA "analysts" were loving both signings - esp the Marquis signing because it was kinda under the radar compared to the Sheed signing. No question it was the right move at that time. TA was not the player a year ago, that he is now and I think management had sort of given up on him. We didn't know then that he'd step up the way he has. And BBD hadn't been resigned yet, so we couldn't include in our future plans at the time.

It's easy to look at things in hindsight and say it was a waste of money.

However, I still think giving Sheed a 3rd year was a mistake.
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Re: Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2010, 07:47:04 PM »

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while we're on this topic, it looks now like trading eddie for nate was a wasted move. robinson is contributing zero other than being a great cheerleader ........ eddie would have been getting minutes right now and giving us a little offense and some energy at a minimum.

of course, the way it appears right now ......... acquiring daniels & sheed was a waste of money as well. seems we already had a good bench in place w/ TA and Baby - who would have known though ??

Say what you will, but at the time most NBA "analysts" were loving both signings - esp the Marquis signing because it was kinda under the radar compared to the Sheed signing. No question it was the right move at that time. TA was not the player a year ago, that he is now and I think management had sort of given up on him. We didn't know then that he'd step up the way he has. And BBD hadn't been resigned yet, so we couldn't include in our future plans at the time.

It's easy to look at things in hindsight and say it was a waste of money.

However, I still think giving Sheed a 3rd year was a mistake.

None of us will care about the third year if they win a title this year.  And ultimately, until KG is off the books (the same year Rasheed is), no serious rebuilding effort can really restart.  So it shouldn't matter anyway. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2010, 07:48:49 PM »

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I would like to see more of him, instead of inserting Finley.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.  I'd like to see Finley restricted to "final shot" type of situations.

Marquis could at least give Rondo some additional rest, if nothing else.
They're using Tony for Rondo relief. And frankly, Daniels has been a serious liability on the offensive end recently, and doesn't offer enough on defense to warrant his spot in the lineup.
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while we're on this topic, it looks now like trading eddie for nate was a wasted move. robinson is contributing zero other than being a great cheerleader ........ eddie would have been getting minutes right now and giving us a little offense and some energy at a minimum.

of course, the way it appears right now ......... acquiring daniels & sheed was a waste of money as well. seems we already had a good bench in place w/ TA and Baby - who would have known though ??

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I am saying this with no personal knowledge at all, but I think perhaps Marquis Daniels' broken thumb might not have healed as well or as fast as Glen Davis' and that might have slowed him down getting back into the rotation this year. I loved Marquis' aggression in always attacking the basket before he broke his thumb, and he never seemed to get back into the rotation again.  I am not sure that he had a long term contract, though, and with Tony Allen's improved play it was not necessary for Doc to bring him back in.  We may see Daniels and Williams yet, though, in this post season.  I don't think you can call any move a wasted move....seeing where we are now and where we have come from and what we have gone through, this year.  I liked Eddie House, and I haven't cared so much about Glen Davis.  I can't complain, though, about Nate or Marquis, there is no guarantee that any other combination of players would have brought us to contending for a title.  I am, I'm afraid, a believer in kismet in some ways...that if little things are changed, the end product will also be changed.  Of course, you can also use the reverse to complain about failure.  Since we are still in the succeeding mode, I will leave that one alone.  ;D
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Re: Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2010, 08:11:19 PM »

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Since I live in NC and don't get to watch C's games very often, I was wondering why Daniels doesn't play anymore?  I was under the impression when we signed him that he was supposed to be our first guy off the bench for anything in the backcourt.  I haven't watched many games due to my location and I know that he missed a lot of games early due to injury, but what else is there that keeps him off the court? 

A few side notes...

Redick seemed to be the Magic's best player tonight, he should play more if they want to beat the C's. 

Why in the world did the Magic pay Rashard Lewis $110 million when he is currently their 4th best player? 

Totally impressed with Tony Allen and what he has done in the playoffs.  Love what he is bringing off the bench.

Great win tonight.  I know that we totally let them back in the game in the 4th, but getting the 1st win is huge and I hope that they feel over-confident with the way they came back at the end.
We are only going with an 8 player lineup, and TA gets the wing minutes. The problem with playing Daniels as the 9th guy is that TA and Daniels both have no range on their jumper. This is why Finley gets in before Daniels when we need a shooter.

Lewis's contract was a great move by Orlando because he was a FA and he is an important piece. Since Orlando has not had any $ problems, it is no big deal. Contracts raise based on years in league, not just skill level.

Re: Why isn't Marquis Daniels playing? (uniformed question)
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2010, 08:14:08 PM »

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Since I live in NC and don't get to watch C's games very often, I was wondering why Daniels doesn't play anymore?  I was under the impression when we signed him that he was supposed to be our first guy off the bench for anything in the backcourt.  I haven't watched many games due to my location and I know that he missed a lot of games early due to injury, but what else is there that keeps him off the court? 

A few side notes...

Redick seemed to be the Magic's best player tonight, he should play more if they want to beat the C's. 

Why in the world did the Magic pay Rashard Lewis $110 million when he is currently their 4th best player? 

Totally impressed with Tony Allen and what he has done in the playoffs.  Love what he is bringing off the bench.

Great win tonight.  I know that we totally let them back in the game in the 4th, but getting the 1st win is huge and I hope that they feel over-confident with the way they came back at the end.
We are only going with an 8 player lineup, and TA gets the wing minutes. The problem with playing Daniels as the 9th guy is that TA and Daniels both have no range on their jumper. This is why Finley gets in before Daniels when we need a shooter.

Lewis's contract was a great move by Orlando because he was a FA and he is an important piece. Since Orlando has not had any $ problems, it is no big deal. Contracts raise based on years in league, not just skill level.

That's the same argument people make when they didn't want to play Tony and Rondo together... which in effect contributed in the past 3 years in Tony playing PG minutes and doing a lot of ball handling when he shouldn't have.

Tony and Daniels can very much play together, particularly when you got guys like Sheed, KG, Ray, Pierce who you can insert with them, and Davis to an extent.