Orlando with Vince

[CFAN38]

When the Magic made the move for Vince carter i thought that it was great for the celtics. Now we will see. Last year the size of Rahard and Hedo where alot for the Cs to deal with now the 6'10 Hedo is replaced with the 6'6 Carter. Carter is a much better match up for pierce. KG will have trouble on rashard but that match up goes both ways. (not going to happen but Tony Gaffney would be an interesting  guy to cover lewis)


This should be a great series from the begining ive loved watching Paul vs Vince. Back when vince was the next big thing it was great watching paul out play him.   

[Who]

I like that Ray Allen versus Vince Carter matchup offensively.

Ray is very comfortable playing against Carter. Knows how to take advantage of his flaws. Gets good shot attempts against Carter. And, once Boston has Ray Allen going offensively, they are a very difficult team to beat.

I think Ray Allen will have a much better series against Orlando this season than a year ago when he was facing Courtney Lee and Mickael Pietrus.

[FatjohnReturns]

Carters defense is atrocious. I would go to Ray early and often.
Ray and Paul or Ray and KG with the pick and roll. Attack Vince and Pietrus with Ray and Paul and we will win the series.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I like that Ray Allen versus Vince Carter matchup offensively.

Ray is very comfortable playing against Carter. Knows how to take advantage of his flaws. Gets good shot attempts against Carter. And, once Boston has Ray Allen going offensively, they are a very difficult team to beat.

I think Ray Allen will have a much better series against Orlando this season than a year ago when he was facing Courtney Lee and Mickael Pietrus.

I think the difference will be that Rondo overall is making better decisions, and we're doing a better job as a team to set screens for Ray to get him open. Plus, if not mistaken, he was a bit banged up going into the Orlando series.

My worries, more than who's defending Ray, is the team's ability to get him open and get him the ball when he manages to do so. And that's on Rondo to deliver the ball on time, and not wait too much as he often does, letting defenders catch up to Ray.

This year I think he's done a better job attacking the basket too and seems more comfortable with his midrange game.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Carter doesn't fight through screens much, so that will be huge.

[the_Bird]

I'm looking forward to Piece maybe having a little easier time.  If Ray's matched up on Vince, Pierce should be matched up on Pietras and Barnes.  That should make his life a lot easier than when he was matched up against LeBron.

If Vinnie starts going off on Ray, wondering if we might see PP switch off and play him.   This may well be another important series for Tony Allen, too.

Overall, though, it should be a better matchup than last year; they aren't quite as big on the wings as last year with Hedo.

Perk's still the key; if he can contain Dwight one-on-one, the C's can stay on their defenders and make those long jumpers all the more difficult.

[PosImpos]

I like that Ray Allen versus Vince Carter matchup offensively.

Ray is very comfortable playing against Carter. Knows how to take advantage of his flaws. Gets good shot attempts against Carter. And, once Boston has Ray Allen going offensively, they are a very difficult team to beat.

I think Ray Allen will have a much better series against Orlando this season than a year ago when he was facing Courtney Lee and Mickael Pietrus.

If I were SVG, I'd put Carter on Pierce (similar players, similar body types) and have Pietrus or Redick cover Ray.  But Barnes is staying in their starting lineup, so I guess that won't happen.  Barnes is too slow to cover Pierce.

[Who]

I like that Ray Allen versus Vince Carter matchup offensively.

Ray is very comfortable playing against Carter. Knows how to take advantage of his flaws. Gets good shot attempts against Carter. And, once Boston has Ray Allen going offensively, they are a very difficult team to beat.

I think Ray Allen will have a much better series against Orlando this season than a year ago when he was facing Courtney Lee and Mickael Pietrus.

I think the difference will be that Rondo overall is making better decisions, and we're doing a better job as a team to set screens for Ray to get him open. Plus, if not mistaken, he was a bit banged up going into the Orlando series.

My worries, more than who's defending Ray, is the team's ability to get him open and get him the ball when he manages to do so. And that's on Rondo to deliver the ball on time, and not wait too much as he often does, letting defenders catch up to Ray.

This year I think he's done a better job attacking the basket too and seems more comfortable with his midrange game.

I think Ray Allen is vulnerable offensively and can be shut down by a high quality defensive team with a good defensive wing. I don't think he can create shot attempts for himself in those situations.

I worry very much about who is defending him on a series-to-series basis.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I like that Ray Allen versus Vince Carter matchup offensively.

Ray is very comfortable playing against Carter. Knows how to take advantage of his flaws. Gets good shot attempts against Carter. And, once Boston has Ray Allen going offensively, they are a very difficult team to beat.

I think Ray Allen will have a much better series against Orlando this season than a year ago when he was facing Courtney Lee and Mickael Pietrus.

I think the difference will be that Rondo overall is making better decisions, and we're doing a better job as a team to set screens for Ray to get him open. Plus, if not mistaken, he was a bit banged up going into the Orlando series.

My worries, more than who's defending Ray, is the team's ability to get him open and get him the ball when he manages to do so. And that's on Rondo to deliver the ball on time, and not wait too much as he often does, letting defenders catch up to Ray.

This year I think he's done a better job attacking the basket too and seems more comfortable with his midrange game.

I think Ray Allen is vulnerable offensively and can be shut down by a high quality defensive team with a good defensive wing.

So, I worry very much about who is defending him on a series-to-series basis.

Considering that Redick was actually guarding Ray a good chunk of the time last year, and Ray was still infective with him I say there's more to it than just having a good defender on him. So while a good defensive player will certainly make it tougher on Ray, my main concern is the team's ability to make good screens and give him the ball in a timely basis.

To me, who's defending Ray is secondary by a wide margin to how our offensive execution is going to be in regards to put him in a position to be successful (screens and timely passes). After that, it's all fair game.

And yes, defensive schemes... those worry me more than an individual defender.

[Who]

I like that Ray Allen versus Vince Carter matchup offensively.

Ray is very comfortable playing against Carter. Knows how to take advantage of his flaws. Gets good shot attempts against Carter. And, once Boston has Ray Allen going offensively, they are a very difficult team to beat.

I think Ray Allen will have a much better series against Orlando this season than a year ago when he was facing Courtney Lee and Mickael Pietrus.

If I were SVG, I'd put Carter on Pierce (similar players, similar body types) and have Pietrus or Redick cover Ray.  But Barnes is staying in their starting lineup, so I guess that won't happen.  Barnes is too slow to cover Pierce.

I would stick with Barnes on Pierce. Barnes has bothered Pierce this season and I like his size and length against Paul.

Also, I think that would just create a larger problem for the Magic defensively. I don't think Vince Carter can cover Paul Pierce and I think Paul can do more damage than Ray can.

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Matt Barnes is also one of the best rebounding small forwards in the NBA and is one of the main reasons why Orlando has improved on the backboards. I would be reluctant to drop him without getting a large bump somewhere else to make up for those extra boards.

And, Vince, to be fair, Vince is a very good rebounder too. The Magic get a lot of rebounding contributions from their two starting wing players. It has helped offset Rashard Lewis' lack of rebounding.

[Who]

I like that Ray Allen versus Vince Carter matchup offensively.

Ray is very comfortable playing against Carter. Knows how to take advantage of his flaws. Gets good shot attempts against Carter. And, once Boston has Ray Allen going offensively, they are a very difficult team to beat.

I think Ray Allen will have a much better series against Orlando this season than a year ago when he was facing Courtney Lee and Mickael Pietrus.

I think the difference will be that Rondo overall is making better decisions, and we're doing a better job as a team to set screens for Ray to get him open. Plus, if not mistaken, he was a bit banged up going into the Orlando series.

My worries, more than who's defending Ray, is the team's ability to get him open and get him the ball when he manages to do so. And that's on Rondo to deliver the ball on time, and not wait too much as he often does, letting defenders catch up to Ray.

This year I think he's done a better job attacking the basket too and seems more comfortable with his midrange game.

I think Ray Allen is vulnerable offensively and can be shut down by a high quality defensive team with a good defensive wing.

So, I worry very much about who is defending him on a series-to-series basis.

Considering that Redick was actually guarding Ray a good chunk of the time last year, and Ray was still infective with him I say there's more to it than just having a good defender on him. So while a good defensive player will certainly make it tougher on Ray, my main concern is the team's ability to make good screens and give him the ball in a timely basis.

To me, who's defending Ray is secondary by a wide margin to how our offensive execution is going to be in regards to put him in a position to be successful (screens and timely passes). After that, it's all fair game.

And yes, defensive schemes... those worry me more than an individual defender.

It is two fold (1) high quality defensive team (2) good wing defender

I agree that the other issues matter too, but, I am most concerned about those two variables.

I think even if the rest is there (Rondo + team offense), if those two variables are in place Ray Allen will still struggle.

[Mr October]

What Orlando gained in Vince and Barnes, they lost in Hedo and Lee.

I think the greater question is, who benefits more?

Boston due to having KG/Wallace/Davis over Davis/Scal/Mikki Moore

or

Orlando due to having Jameer Nelson over Rafer Alston

...

Celtics in 6.

[Who]

Considering that Redick was actually guarding Ray a good chunk of the time last year, and Ray was still infective with him I say there's more to it than just having a good defender on him.

I had forgotten Redick was on him a lot last year. Redick did a very good job on Ray Allen.

[PosImpos]

I like that Ray Allen versus Vince Carter matchup offensively.

Ray is very comfortable playing against Carter. Knows how to take advantage of his flaws. Gets good shot attempts against Carter. And, once Boston has Ray Allen going offensively, they are a very difficult team to beat.

I think Ray Allen will have a much better series against Orlando this season than a year ago when he was facing Courtney Lee and Mickael Pietrus.

If I were SVG, I'd put Carter on Pierce (similar players, similar body types) and have Pietrus or Redick cover Ray.  But Barnes is staying in their starting lineup, so I guess that won't happen.  Barnes is too slow to cover Pierce.

I would stick with Barnes on Pierce. Barnes has bothered Pierce this season and I like his size and length against Paul.

Also, I think that would just create a larger problem for the Magic defensively. I don't think Vince Carter can cover Paul Pierce and I think Paul can do more damage than Ray can.

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Matt Barnes is also one of the best rebounding small forwards in the NBA and is one of the main reasons why Orlando has improved on the backboards. I would be reluctant to drop him without getting a large bump somewhere else to make up for those extra boards.

And, Vince, to be fair, Vince is a very good rebounder too. The Magic get a lot of rebounding contributions from their two starting wing players. It has helped offset Rashard Lewis' lack of rebounding.

Yeah, I meant Barnes is too slow to cover Ray Allen.  I agree that Barnes is a fine cover on Pierce, but I think Vince isn't a good matchup with Ray.  On offense he can post him up, but on defense he can't fight through the screens.  Vince would have an easier time defending Paul.  Like I said, though, the problem is Barnes definitely couldn't keep up with Ray.

[Who]

I like that Ray Allen versus Vince Carter matchup offensively.

Ray is very comfortable playing against Carter. Knows how to take advantage of his flaws. Gets good shot attempts against Carter. And, once Boston has Ray Allen going offensively, they are a very difficult team to beat.

I think Ray Allen will have a much better series against Orlando this season than a year ago when he was facing Courtney Lee and Mickael Pietrus.

If I were SVG, I'd put Carter on Pierce (similar players, similar body types) and have Pietrus or Redick cover Ray.  But Barnes is staying in their starting lineup, so I guess that won't happen.  Barnes is too slow to cover Pierce.

I would stick with Barnes on Pierce. Barnes has bothered Pierce this season and I like his size and length against Paul.

Also, I think that would just create a larger problem for the Magic defensively. I don't think Vince Carter can cover Paul Pierce and I think Paul can do more damage than Ray can.

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Matt Barnes is also one of the best rebounding small forwards in the NBA and is one of the main reasons why Orlando has improved on the backboards. I would be reluctant to drop him without getting a large bump somewhere else to make up for those extra boards.

And, Vince, to be fair, Vince is a very good rebounder too. The Magic get a lot of rebounding contributions from their two starting wing players. It has helped offset Rashard Lewis' lack of rebounding.

Yeah, I meant Barnes is too slow to cover Ray Allen.  I agree that Barnes is a fine cover on Pierce, but I think Vince isn't a good matchup with Ray.  On offense he can post him up, but on defense he can't fight through the screens.  Vince would have an easier time defending Paul.  Like I said, though, the problem is Barnes definitely couldn't keep up with Ray.

Yep, I agree, there is no way Barnes is going to be able to keep up with Ray running through multiple screens off the ball. He is just not quick enough.

The Celtics gotta run Matt Barnes through some pin-downs whenever Barnes is defending Ray Allen or caught in a switch.