Author Topic: KG suggests that Lebron should leave Cleveland (Read 7748 times)

Roy Hobbs · « **on:** May 14, 2010, 07:29:30 AM »

... or at the very least, that he should minimize loyalty in his decision:

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"Honestly, he's gonna have to make a decision on not just him, but his family and his future," Garnett said when asked in his postgame press conference what LeBron would have to deal with.

"Loyalty is something that hurts you at times because you can't get youth back. I can honestly say that if I can go back and do my situation over, knowing what I know now with this organization, I'd of done it a little sooner.

"But I don't know what's going through his mind. He's a different individual, I haveInten't spoken to him or anything but the world is his. Whatever he wants it to be, whatever decisions he makes is probably gonna be best for him, not only him, but him and his family."

Link.

It's an interesting perspective. People talk about loyalty and staying with one franchise, but where would Shaq have been if he stayed in Orlando? Would he have four rings? Could KG have more rings now if he'd left for a better situation sooner?

I really think it's in Lebron's best interests to leave Cleveland. They're an aging, mediocre team with no cap space. There are literally a half-dozen teams with better cores that could sign Lebron this off-season, and I think he needs to make the plunge.

Drucci · « **Reply #1 on:** May 14, 2010, 07:31:15 AM »

There is no future for LeBron in Cleveland. Sure, if he wants to stay loyal to the franchise, the fans and the city, it's a respectable decision but if he wants to win championships he has to go elsewhere. Chicago sounds like a great team for his aspirations.

KungPoweChicken · « **Reply #2 on:** May 14, 2010, 07:39:51 AM »

Honestly, before we embarrassed the Cavs, everyone was saying that they were the best team in the league, and no one was even close to touching them. Now this story is, "The Cavs are old and stink, so LeBron should get out of there if he wants to win titles."

KG was only favored to win it all one time in Minnesota. LeBron has been favored to win it all the last two years; he and his team just haven't gotten it done. But when your team has the best regular season record for two years in a row, just because you lose in the playoffs, you can't say, "My supporting cast isn't good enough."

How quickly we forget...

FallGuy · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2010, 07:43:36 AM »

Quote from: KungPoweChicken on May 14, 2010, 07:39:51 AM

Honestly, before we embarrassed the Cavs, everyone was saying that they were the best team in the league, and no one was even close to touching them. Now this story is, "The Cavs are old and stink, so LeBron should get out of there if he wants to win titles."

KG was only favored to win it all one time in Minnesota. LeBron has been favored to win it all the last two years; he and his team just haven't gotten it done. But when your team has the best regular season record for two years in a row, just because you lose in the playoffs, you can't say, "My supporting cast isn't good enough."

How quickly we forget...

Problem is... his supporting cast isn't good enough. We've four years of evidence now that without a second star, LBJ can't get his team to the mountaintop (no shame in that - almost every other superstar has found the same thing to be true). And as has been noted, Cleveland's cap situation is messy - they're not likely to add a difference maker without some real creative thinking.

If LBJ's wise, he'll move on. Chicago looks inviting.

Drucci · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2010, 07:52:27 AM »

Quote from: KungPoweChicken on May 14, 2010, 07:39:51 AM

Honestly, before we embarrassed the Cavs, everyone was saying that they were the best team in the league, and no one was even close to touching them. Now this story is, "The Cavs are old and stink, so LeBron should get out of there if he wants to win titles."

KG was only favored to win it all one time in Minnesota. LeBron has been favored to win it all the last two years; he and his team just haven't gotten it done. But when your team has the best regular season record for two years in a row, just because you lose in the playoffs, you can't say, "My supporting cast isn't good enough."

How quickly we forget...

The Cavs a great regular season team but not a playoffs/championship team, simple as that...

Jamison and Parker are not getting any younger. Nor Shaq and Ilgauskas (if they resign).

get_banners · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2010, 08:31:44 AM »

Different situation, though. KG pretty much always had an inferior cast. Only the team with Spree and Sam-I-Am was supposed to possibly go further than they did. Had the Cavs not improved post-08, I'd agree, but they are a much better team now, even though they haven't gone to the Finals. That's a product of other problems, not a lack of talent or commitment from the organization to win it all.
I did like KG shouting out the C's organization, though. Too bad he didn't get it sooner and come over to Boston when he was younger!

jasail · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2010, 08:36:27 AM »

there are a lot of teams out there that are better fits. with out additional signings the bulls and the nets are better teams. the knicks aren't but if they add an extra piece like kosh they sure are.

if i am lebron i'm going to the Nets. they have the pieces to win over the long term. harris, lee and lopez are all young and exceptionally talented. i like that over chicago b/c chicago offers Rose and a high energy guy in noah. but they have no real size or skill down low and they will need that to compete in the East against dwight.

Moranis · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2010, 09:23:38 AM »

I truly believe a lot of the Cavs problems stem from the coaching staff. Mike Brown is just quite frankly a terrible coach. There were wide spread reports of player mutiny due in a large part to the inconsistency in rotations. Parker plays 40 minutes one night, 10 the next. Shaq doesn't reenter a game after picking up his fifth foul with 11 minutes left, when he had been playing well in the game. Lebron gets yanked and is visibly seen jarring with Brown when leaving the game and still doing it on the bench. Hickson plays great for long periods of time and then barely plays the next game. And on and on.

If the Cavs get even a competant coach, they can easily win the title with the team they have in place. Mike Brown is an absolutely terrible coach and frankly I'm surprised he hasn't already been canned.

Andy Jick · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2010, 09:46:05 AM »

There's problems in Cleveland, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, there are...

Doris Burke showed two things in a report last night that were bothersome to any Cavs fan:

- LeBron going ballistic on an assistant coach
- LeBron showing NO interest whatsoever in late timeout

He obviously has a problem with Mike Brown - the friction is evident. IF LeBron does come back, Mike Brown won't (and I don't think it really matters - I believe Brown's fate is already sealed).

But LeBron KNOWS that all eyes are on him, and he saw that camera squarely on him the entire time. His blatant disrespect is not only to the coaching staff, but to his teammates. That game was not over...there were still chances to make a run (C's were making dumb decisions and missing free throws still at that time). But LeBron showed his true colors in those late moments and one has to believe that there is NO WAY he comes back with things currently constituted, but those changes are probably harder for the Cavs organization to make than they'd be willing to admit.

I believe he's gone and it's probably best for him. In 7 years it didn't happen and now he can move to the next chapter of his career, and he also knows that the spotlight of attention will be ENTIRELY on him the entire offseason (which he'll no doubt revel in)...

MMacOH · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2010, 10:13:57 AM »

Quote from: Andy Jick on May 14, 2010, 09:46:05 AM

There's problems in Cleveland, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, there are...

Doris Burke showed two things in a report last night that were bothersome to any Cavs fan:

- LeBron going ballistic on an assistant coach
- LeBron showing NO interest whatsoever in late timeout

He obviously has a problem with Mike Brown - the friction is evident. IF LeBron does come back, Mike Brown won't (and I don't think it really matters - I believe Brown's fate is already sealed).

But LeBron KNOWS that all eyes are on him, and he saw that camera squarely on him the entire time. His blatant disrespect is not only to the coaching staff, but to his teammates. That game was not over...there were still chances to make a run (C's were making dumb decisions and missing free throws still at that time). But LeBron showed his true colors in those late moments and one has to believe that there is NO WAY he comes back with things currently constituted, but those changes are probably harder for the Cavs organization to make than they'd be willing to admit.

I believe he's gone and it's probably best for him. In 7 years it didn't happen and now he can move to the next chapter of his career, and he also knows that the spotlight of attention will be ENTIRELY on him the entire offseason (which he'll no doubt revel in)...

This is true except that Lebron has the backing of his teammates, Mike Brown has the backing of no one (outside of Danny Ferry). There is the issue.

Lebron's best championship hopes are currently in Chicago, but if he leaves the Cavs after this season and the way the team approached the playoffs then he will heavily tarnish his reputation. The Cavs have some young athletic players to build around with the right coach. A lineup of Mo, Lebron, AV and Hickson is not a bad start. Jamison can actually be a decent fit if used properly and coming off the bench most likely. Moon has shown that he can play tough defense. The Cavs have some young talent, you just would never know it sine Mike Brown refused to play it. He instead insisted on Shaq and Z to dominate a bunch of minutes in a series they should no have been playing in.

Dan Gilbert knows his team's financial value lives and dies with Lebron so he is going to do whatever it takes to keep him in Cleveland

Rida · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2010, 10:18:03 AM »

Quote from: Roy Hobbs on May 14, 2010, 07:29:30 AM

... or at the very least, that he should minimize loyalty in his decision:

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"Honestly, he's gonna have to make a decision on not just him, but his family and his future," Garnett said when asked in his postgame press conference what LeBron would have to deal with.

"Loyalty is something that hurts you at times because you can't get youth back. I can honestly say that if I can go back and do my situation over, knowing what I know now with this organization, I'd of done it a little sooner.

"But I don't know what's going through his mind. He's a different individual, I haveInten't spoken to him or anything but the world is his. Whatever he wants it to be, whatever decisions he makes is probably gonna be best for him, not only him, but him and his family."

Link.

It's an interesting perspective. People talk about loyalty and staying with one franchise, but where would Shaq have been if he stayed in Orlando? Would he have four rings? Could KG have more rings now if he'd left for a better situation sooner?

I really think it's in Lebron's best interests to leave Cleveland. They're an aging, mediocre team with no cap space. There are literally a half-dozen teams with better cores that could sign Lebron this off-season, and I think he needs to make the plunge.

I agree, if he wants to win basketball games and championships he should go to Miami. A starting 5 of arroyo, Wade, Lebron, Beasely and Joel Anthony would win the next 4 championships.

If it comes down to marketing he will go to Chicago/New York.

ssspence · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2010, 10:28:10 AM »

Quote from: Rida on May 14, 2010, 10:18:03 AM

Quote from: Roy Hobbs on May 14, 2010, 07:29:30 AM
... or at the very least, that he should minimize loyalty in his decision:

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"Honestly, he's gonna have to make a decision on not just him, but his family and his future," Garnett said when asked in his postgame press conference what LeBron would have to deal with.

"Loyalty is something that hurts you at times because you can't get youth back. I can honestly say that if I can go back and do my situation over, knowing what I know now with this organization, I'd of done it a little sooner.

"But I don't know what's going through his mind. He's a different individual, I haveInten't spoken to him or anything but the world is his. Whatever he wants it to be, whatever decisions he makes is probably gonna be best for him, not only him, but him and his family."

Link.

It's an interesting perspective. People talk about loyalty and staying with one franchise, but where would Shaq have been if he stayed in Orlando? Would he have four rings? Could KG have more rings now if he'd left for a better situation sooner?

I really think it's in Lebron's best interests to leave Cleveland. They're an aging, mediocre team with no cap space. There are literally a half-dozen teams with better cores that could sign Lebron this off-season, and I think he needs to make the plunge.

I agree, if he wants to win basketball games and championships he should go to Miami. A starting 5 of arroyo, Wade, Lebron, Beasely and Joel Anthony would win the next 4 championships.

If it comes down to marketing he will go to Chicago/New York.

Very difficult to argue that Chicago is not a better option from a basketball perspective....

Who · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2010, 10:32:22 AM »

I think Cleveland have done right by LeBron. They've built two title contenders and had two other outside threats for the title.

I think they've shown that they are committed to and able to build a championship caliber basketball team. If I were LeBron, I would have no qualms staying with the Cavs (this isn't KG's Wolves or Bosh's Raptors).

That said, the Cavs are nowhere near the best offer on the market. He would be better off if he took one of the other offers (I would -- I would go to Miami which I think is LeBron's first choice at the moment).

Casperian · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2010, 10:41:47 AM »

Quote from: Who on May 14, 2010, 10:32:22 AM

(I would -- I would go to Miami which I think is LeBron's first choice at the moment).

Wade, Riley, weather, taxes...makes sense

Andy Jick · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2010, 10:49:40 AM »

I live in Florida... Those "no state taxes" sound good, but trust me - this state finds a way to screw you in other ways... Many of us would happily pay state taxes if we could get relief in the other areas, so that's not as big a benefit as some would like to think.

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