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So KG abused Beasley, Jamison, Shaq is Rashard next??
« on: May 14, 2010, 05:16:54 AM »

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I sure hope so, right now The Big Ticket looks just unstoppable.

I dont see that changing.
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Re: So KG abused Beasley, Jamison, Shaq is Rashard next??
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 05:26:07 AM »

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During the season, Lewis abused KG so I'm not overly confident. With that said, the KG of the regular season wasn't definitely the KG we have today, both health and mental wise so I like him to take the best of this matchup.

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Rashard may have had the advantage in the regular season, but KG of the post-season is a different beast.  

I expect the Celtics to treat Rashard like Jamison.  Honestly, I don't see much difference...Rashard is a much better 3 pt shooter and he's almost an inch taller, but otherwise he's about the same.  He's not a better defender, nor is he a better post scorer.  He's also a much worse rebounder.  He'll be harder to deal with on offense but I expect KG to have a similar advantage against him down low.
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Re: So KG abused Beasley, Jamison, Shaq is Rashard next??
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2010, 06:21:39 AM »

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KG has always said (even a couple years ago) that Lewis is a very tough cover, one of the hardest guys in the league for him to slow down. That said, and without having really seen much of Lewis' (apparently excellent) play the last month - I feel confident that KG, playing the way he has been, can get the best of anyone.

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2010, 09:35:45 AM »

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Rashard may have had the advantage in the regular season, but KG of the post-season is a different beast.  

I expect the Celtics to treat Rashard like Jamison.  Honestly, I don't see much difference...Rashard is a much better 3 pt shooter and he's almost an inch taller, but otherwise he's about the same.  He's not a better defender, nor is he a better post scorer.  He's also a much worse rebounder.  He'll be harder to deal with on offense but I expect KG to have a similar advantage against him down low.
Rashard Lewis is a very good defensive power forward ... much to my surprise, he has been very effective defensively at the four.

Rashard's man-to-man defense has been above average (excellent against perimeter fours + face up fours + good against physical post players like Boozer) and his team defense has been very good (transition defense + P'n'R defense are excellent, defensive rotations are very good, can switch onto other positions and defend them effectively, closes down shooters very well, the main weakness being his lack of shot-blocking in interior defense) .

Lewis has also done a good job against Garnett for three straight years. Lewis is quick enough and long enough to take away most of KG's easy scoring opportunities in transition, pick and rolls/pops, face up opportunities and midrange jump shots. Lewis has also done a good job pushing Garnett high off the post, where Garnett tries to post up 8 feet from the rim but ends up getting pushed out to 14-17 feet by the time he makes the catch on multiple possessions.

Rashard Lewis isn't a stopper. He is not going to shut down Garnett. Just like Garnett isn't going to shut Lewis down. They are both effective defenders against one another (defensive + physical attributes match well against offensive + physical strengths) but they are also both highly skilled offensive players who are very difficult to stop ... neither is able to shut down the other player (although Kevin is a better defender vs Lewis than vice versa) ... but they are going to make one another work extremely hard for their baskets. Nobody is going to get anything easy. They are going to be able to contain one another and stop the other from consistently having big scoring nights.

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Unlike the past two rounds, there is no great matchup offensively or defensively for Garnett against the other starting power forward (Lewis). Nor is there for Lewis, Garnett is a very good defender against perimeter fours like Lewis. Garnett defends Lewis well and Lewis is an effective defender against KG.

There is a big advantage here for Boston, in this matchup (Garnett vs Lewis), but it isn't offense (Garnett's scoring) and it isn't defense (shutting down Lewis) ... what it is is rebounding.

Garnett needs to hit the boards and grab 10+ rebounds a night and build up a large positive rebounding differential versus Lewis (Lewis grabs about 6 per 36, if KG gets 10 per 36, Boston will be +4 on the boards in that one individual matchup alone).

Those four extra possessions are a major difference maker and could decide the series. If Boston get those rebounds, they stand a very good chance of winning this series.

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Garnett does have a matchup advantage offensively against Ryan Anderson and Brandon Bass. Anderson is a below par defender and Bass lacks the size to trouble KG's jump shot.

No matchup advantage offensively against Lewis, Gortat or Dwight.
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Re: So KG abused Beasley, Jamison, Shaq is Rashard next??
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2010, 09:40:25 AM »

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During the season, Lewis abused KG so I'm not overly confident. With that said, the KG of the regular season wasn't definitely the KG we have today, both health and mental wise so I like him to take the best of this matchup.
Huh? Lewis had one rather good game, other than that KG did a good job on him.

Don't let that one lay up cloud you whole perception of the match up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300207002
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300128019
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291225019
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291120002

Re: So KG abused Beasley, Jamison, Shaq is Rashard next??
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2010, 12:27:07 PM »

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During the season, Lewis abused KG so I'm not overly confident. With that said, the KG of the regular season wasn't definitely the KG we have today, both health and mental wise so I like him to take the best of this matchup.
Huh? Lewis had one rather good game, other than that KG did a good job on him.

Don't let that one lay up cloud you whole perception of the match up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300207002
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300128019
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291225019
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291120002

Thanks for the stats and the clarification, I was really convinced that Lewis took the best of KG in every game they played against each other this season. I guess the baseline layup from Lewis on KG to seal the deal in the second game in Orlando after the Magic big comeback had a trauma effect of me, but I'm glad to see KG defended him well, even when he wasn't as healthy as he is today.

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 12:33:55 PM »

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I love how BSPN is already hyping how Lewis is going to own KG. Prior to this season, KG absolutely owned Lewis. During this regular season, while Garnett was gimpy, Lewis played OK against him.... Just OK.

OK is not going to get it done against Boston. And KG is improving greatly month to month. Watch out Orlando!

Re: So KG abused Beasley, Jamison, Shaq is Rashard next??
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 12:38:54 PM »

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Offensively he will. Overall it will be close, but of course, KG gets the nod.

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2010, 12:41:56 PM »

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Rashard is about to have a very bad couple of weeks. KG is going to embarrass him.

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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2010, 12:43:15 PM »

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Rashard may have had the advantage in the regular season, but KG of the post-season is a different beast.  

I expect the Celtics to treat Rashard like Jamison.  Honestly, I don't see much difference...Rashard is a much better 3 pt shooter and he's almost an inch taller, but otherwise he's about the same.  He's not a better defender, nor is he a better post scorer.  He's also a much worse rebounder.  He'll be harder to deal with on offense but I expect KG to have a similar advantage against him down low.
Rashard Lewis is a very good defensive power forward ... much to my surprise, he has been very effective defensively at the four.

Rashard's man-to-man defense has been above average (excellent against perimeter fours + face up fours + good against physical post players like Boozer) and his team defense has been very good (transition defense + P'n'R defense are excellent, defensive rotations are very good, can switch onto other positions and defend them effectively, closes down shooters very well, the main weakness being his lack of shot-blocking in interior defense) .

Lewis has also done a good job against Garnett for three straight years. Lewis is quick enough and long enough to take away most of KG's easy scoring opportunities in transition, pick and rolls/pops, face up opportunities and midrange jump shots. Lewis has also done a good job pushing Garnett high off the post, where Garnett tries to post up 8 feet from the rim but ends up getting pushed out to 14-17 feet by the time he makes the catch on multiple possessions.

Rashard Lewis isn't a stopper. He is not going to shut down Garnett. Just like Garnett isn't going to shut Lewis down. They are both effective defenders against one another (defensive + physical attributes match well against offensive + physical strengths) but they are also both highly skilled offensive players who are very difficult to stop ... neither is able to shut down the other player (although Kevin is a better defender vs Lewis than vice versa) ... but they are going to make one another work extremely hard for their baskets. Nobody is going to get anything easy. They are going to be able to contain one another and stop the other from consistently having big scoring nights.

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Unlike the past two rounds, there is no great matchup offensively or defensively for Garnett against the other starting power forward (Lewis). Nor is there for Lewis, Garnett is a very good defender against perimeter fours like Lewis. Garnett defends Lewis well and Lewis is an effective defender against KG.

There is a big advantage here for Boston, in this matchup (Garnett vs Lewis), but it isn't offense (Garnett's scoring) and it isn't defense (shutting down Lewis) ... what it is is rebounding.

Garnett needs to hit the boards and grab 10+ rebounds a night and build up a large positive rebounding differential versus Lewis (Lewis grabs about 6 per 36, if KG gets 10 per 36, Boston will be +4 on the boards in that one individual matchup alone).

Those four extra possessions are a major difference maker and could decide the series. If Boston get those rebounds, they stand a very good chance of winning this series.

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Garnett does have a matchup advantage offensively against Ryan Anderson and Brandon Bass. Anderson is a below par defender and Bass lacks the size to trouble KG's jump shot.

No matchup advantage offensively against Lewis, Gortat or Dwight.

Good Anaylsis. Totally agree KG reboudning will be key. I do not agree with the idea that Garnett doesnt have a advantage offensively over Lewis. KG at the moment is looking great and his jumper is looking sweet.

Garnett in the pick and roll shooting 15-18ft jumpers. Or Garnett posting up Lewis is a big advantage for us. Lewis is not going to be able to stop KG. KG is playing tremendous right now.

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2010, 01:37:48 PM »

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I have a feeling KG posting up Rashard will draw Howard type attention, as in they will need help defense. Which should work out in our favor with KG dishing to the open man.

KG is playing like the 2008 year dominating at PF, hes got the better of all his matchups so far and I dont think thats changing. Regardless who he faces he's got that look. Watch out.
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2010, 01:39:33 PM »

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Lewis will get his open looks from the outside.



The difference I expect is KG is going to post him up more.  I don't care how good Lewis is as a low post defender, KG is to strong and to long to be stopped. 

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Lewis will get his open looks from the outside.



The difference I expect is KG is going to post him up more.  I don't care how good Lewis is as a low post defender, KG is to strong and to long to be stopped.  

Yup he was even knocking down shots over Varejao who is long and plays pretty good defense also hitting fallaway hook shots.
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Lewis will get his open looks from the outside.



The difference I expect is KG is going to post him up more.  I don't care how good Lewis is as a low post defender, KG is to strong and to long to be stopped.  

Yup he was even knocking down shots over Varejao who is long and plays pretty good defense also hitting fallaway hook shots.


Hopefully, KG can force the Magic to put Howard on him.  Then KG pulls Howard away from the basket allowing Rondo and Pierce to attack the rim again.