Hindsight being 20/20 (trade deadline)

[cdif911]

wow am I glad the Celts didn't trade Ray for Butler and Jamison (or Miller and Jamison); Butler's a nice player and had good playoff numbers (20, 5 and 5) , but look at the Mavs, one and done - I don't think he's the sniper or cluth player Ray is

Jamison has been nearly invisible in this series, though his floater is funky... Big Baby has given us almost the same impact as Twan would have off the bench (if Jamison played Baby's minutes, he'd be at about the same stats)

I was the first to be super excited about the prospect of bringing in 2 all-star calibre guys for Ray - I've always believed in dealing expiring contracts, but with the way this series is going (and the playoffs so far) I'm really glad Ray is here...

[billysan]

I confess I kind of liked the sound of that trade when I first heard it also. I am glad it didnt happen, but to be fair I think Butler would have flourished here if used right. He would have been a defensive wing stopper with decnt scoring ability, a Tony and Ray combo I guess on some level.

I saw Jamison as being a one and done guy that we werent keeping anyway. Glad we didnt get him in any case, I would have rather had Miller off the bench behind Butler and Pierce.

[FreeGreen]

I thought (hoped) this was going to be about the TERRIBLE Nate Robinson trade.

We gave away Eddie House (who has situational uses ... especially in the playoffs) and Bill Walker (a young player with some potential who is decent trade bait if nothing else) for a guy who hasn't seen the floor since before Easter.

Man that trade was terrible.

[PosImpos]

Guess there's a reason Danny is the GM and not us.

That said, Ray Allen has been a different player since the All-Star break.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I thought (hoped) this was going to be about the TERRIBLE Nate Robinson trade.

We gave away Eddie House (who has situational uses ... especially in the playoffs) and Bill Walker (a young player with some potential who is decent trade bait if nothing else) for a guy who hasn't seen the floor since before Easter.

Man that trade was terrible.

Simply didn't work out here. It wasn't a terrible deal. I liked House though, but I was quite tired of having an undersized SG as our backup PG. For good or bad, it has forced Doc to use Tony Allen more, and so far everything has worked out great, particularly defensively.

I was quite hesitant to give away both Giddens and Walker, but Doc wasn't going to use them anyways, so it doesn't matter one way or the other in the scheme of things.

[Who]

Antawn Jamison would have looked brilliant here in Boston.

He would have played a style similar to when he was in Dallas when he was playing off the bench as a sixth man and alongside numerous talented scorers. Just feeding off of their defensive attention and feasting on less talented defensive players.

Jamison would have been a prolific and very efficient scoring option off the bench. One who played off of others extremely well.

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Simply put, Cleveland's offense doesn't offer him the same opportunities as Boston's does. The ball doesn't move often enough. It's all LeBron, all one-on-one and pick and roll, let Bron create everything ... and Jamison doesn't get as much opportunities to effect the game as he'd like.

To double up and make the situation worse, Cleveland uses Shaq as a go-to scorer and Jamison + Mo Williams have no idea how to play off of Shaq and their scoring opportunities have decreased further.

[Who]

I am happy we didn't get Caron Butler. He isn't much of player.

Ray Allen is a better player.

[slamtheking]

It wasn't a bad trade idea at the time.  The primary reason for making it was getting more talent (and younger) for an expiring deal, not that Ray wasn't a valuable asset as a player. 

I'm glad Ray's still here because he's really picked up his game since the deadline passed but if Danny made that trade, I think we'd have done ok with it.  Butler and Jamison would have done well on this team -- more talent on the C's and a real 'team' concept.  Think of bringing in Jamison off the bench as a scoring forward, which we really don't have now, with him going up against other teams' second units, he'd be doing just fine.  Butler's not the shooter that Ray is but Butler's still a very good scorer and can defend.

[csfansince60s]

It wasn't a bad trade idea at the time.  The primary reason for making it was getting more talent (and younger) for an expiring deal, not that Ray wasn't a valuable asset as a player. 

I'm glad Ray's still here because he's really picked up his game since the deadline passed but if Danny made that trade, I think we'd have done ok with it.  Butler and Jamison would have done well on this team -- more talent on the C's and a real 'team' concept.  Think of bringing in Jamison off the bench as a scoring forward, which we really don't have now, with him going up against other teams' second units, he'd be doing just fine.  Butler's not the shooter that Ray is but Butler's still a very good scorer and can defend.

TP, Slam for saying better than I could exactly what i was thinking.
I was for the trade then and stand by it. Also, Dallas got Haywood, maybe we could have too in place of Jamison, although for the reasons you cite, I think Jamison would have thrived here.

More importantlty, though, we would have gotten RAY back!!!!
The Wiz let Z go for eating Jamison's contract. They would have done the same for us.$$$$$ was the real issue here, but we would have been real competitive for the rest of KG's contract. Think about it! Butler plus Jamison plus Ray!!! The only downside would have been that we would have been strapped $$$ wise and probably wouldn't have been able to sign Ray back for next year. I still would've done it, and I love Ray.

[moiso]

I liked the sound of it at the time, and I was hoping Haywood could be included somehow too.  I agree that Jamison would have been very good here.  I also thought Butler's toughness would be an asset to a team that was soft and lazy at the time.
But I agree that this Ray is not the Ray of before the trading deadline, and because of his age I really didn't think he would be back to this form.
I liked the Robinson trade at the time, and I still don't mind it.  TA may have taken House's minutes just like he did Nate's.

[Birdbrain]

I was of the Allen for Ellis guys.  In retrospect that probably wasn't a good idea (sarcasm) at least not for this year.  I deserve -10 TP for it though.  That's both an I give up and a disrespect to Ray all in one.

Bless me Father for I have Sinned.  - just a joke kind of.

[JSD]

wow am I glad the Celts didn't trade Ray for Butler and Jamison (or Miller and Jamison); Butler's a nice player and had good playoff numbers (20, 5 and 5) , but look at the Mavs, one and done - I don't think he's the sniper or cluth player Ray is

Jamison has been nearly invisible in this series, though his floater is funky... Big Baby has given us almost the same impact as Twan would have off the bench (if Jamison played Baby's minutes, he'd be at about the same stats)

I was the first to be super excited about the prospect of bringing in 2 all-star calibre guys for Ray - I've always believed in dealing expiring contracts, but with the way this series is going (and the playoffs so far) I'm really glad Ray is here...

Yeah, we're on the same boat on this one. Just adds to my faith in Ainge.

[Cman]

wow am I glad the Celts didn't trade Ray for Butler and Jamison (or Miller and Jamison); Butler's a nice player and had good playoff numbers (20, 5 and 5) , but look at the Mavs, one and done - I don't think he's the sniper or cluth player Ray is

Agreed, but there was a thought that Ray would be bought out and end up back in Boston (sort of like what happened with Z and Cleveland).

In any case, hindsight is indeed 20/20.  Ray pre-trade deadline was completely different from Ray post-trade deadline, in a good way.