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Bucks Decisions
« on: May 12, 2010, 11:52:34 AM »

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Just found an article about the Bucks:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/93040309.html

I thought the Bucks were the best story in the league this year.  The Celts lucked out with Bogut going down and the Heat moving into the 5th spot.

Anyhow, Salmons can opt out, and given his performance he probably expects to cash in for more the $5.8 million he's locked into.  He sure seemed like a perfect fit in Milwaukee.  If he opts out can they afford to re-sign him? What's he worth? Salary's not really my thing, but I'd love to see that team stick together.

Looks like Delfino will be back for relatively short cash.

They were also holding out hope that Michael Redd will be able to make another comeback.

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Re: Bucks Decisions
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2010, 11:54:18 AM »

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He can come to Boston for MLE ;)
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Re: Bucks Decisions
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2010, 12:02:14 PM »

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Salmons is a pretty good player, but I don't think he's worth more than the MLE.

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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2010, 12:11:25 PM »

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Just found an article about the Bucks:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/93040309.html

I thought the Bucks were the best story in the league this year.  The Celts lucked out with Bogut going down and the Heat moving into the 5th spot.

Anyhow, Salmons can opt out, and given his performance he probably expects to cash in for more the $5.8 million he's locked into.  He sure seemed like a perfect fit in Milwaukee.  If he opts out can they afford to re-sign him? What's he worth? Salary's not really my thing, but I'd love to see that team stick together.

Looks like Delfino will be back for relatively short cash.

They were also holding out hope that Michael Redd will be able to make another comeback.


Salmons isn't making more than the $5.8m anywhere. He may opt out because he wants to play for a different team, but he can't honestly think he's going to make more than that.*

As for Redd, IIRC, he's got only one year left on that huge contract, which means I think they could trade him to a contender for some nice pieces. At least that's what I'd do, particularly if Salmons stays. With Bogut, Jennings, and Salmons, you've got plenty of scoring, so trade him for a defensive-minded big--Nazr Mohammed, or along those lines--and a cheaper shooter--say Mike Miller--and you've got a really good team.

*(When the Knicks don't sign any big free agents, they might throw a bunch of money at players like Salmons.)

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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2010, 12:16:21 PM »

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How do you think Tony Allen pronounces Salmons' same?

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 12:19:04 PM »

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Just found an article about the Bucks:

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/bucks/93040309.html

I thought the Bucks were the best story in the league this year.  The Celts lucked out with Bogut going down and the Heat moving into the 5th spot.

Anyhow, Salmons can opt out, and given his performance he probably expects to cash in for more the $5.8 million he's locked into.  He sure seemed like a perfect fit in Milwaukee.  If he opts out can they afford to re-sign him? What's he worth? Salary's not really my thing, but I'd love to see that team stick together.

Looks like Delfino will be back for relatively short cash.

They were also holding out hope that Michael Redd will be able to make another comeback.


Salmons isn't making more than the $5.8m anywhere. He may opt out because he wants to play for a different team, but he can't honestly think he's going to make more than that.*

As for Redd, IIRC, he's got only one year left on that huge contract, which means I think they could trade him to a contender for some nice pieces. At least that's what I'd do, particularly if Salmons stays. With Bogut, Jennings, and Salmons, you've got plenty of scoring, so trade him for a defensive-minded big--Nazr Mohammed, or along those lines--and a cheaper shooter--say Mike Miller--and you've got a really good team.

*(When the Knicks don't sign any big free agents, they might throw a bunch of money at players like Salmons.)

Do you think Salmons or his agent are smart enough to realize

1) he's not worth more than that
2) Milwaukee's a really good situation for him
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2010, 12:23:45 PM »

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Anyhow, Salmons can opt out, and given his performance he probably expects to cash in for more the $5.8 million he's locked into.  He sure seemed like a perfect fit in Milwaukee. 

If he opts out can they afford to re-sign him? What's he worth? Salary's not really my thing, but I'd love to see that team stick together
There was an article on JSOnline.com recently that said the Bucks were close to offering Salmons a three year extension. Those three seasons + his player option for next year would create a four year contract worth $27 million.

I wouldn't pay Salmons that much money for two reasons:
  • Salomns is undependable and even though his play this season warrants such a contract, it is unclear, well, more doubtful than unclear, whether he'll be able to maintain that performance throughout his new contract.
  • I think the Bucks should avoid paying their role players long contracts. The core of their roster (Bogut/Jennings) needs another star player and their cap flexibility (either by trade or free agency) is their best method of adding that talent.
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2010, 12:29:05 PM »

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Do you think Salmons or his agent are smart enough to realize

1) he's not worth more than that
2) Milwaukee's a really good situation for him

I guess we'll see. Of course his agent probably has about six or eight million reasons to prey on the Knicks' desperation. And as a player it'd be hard to turn down good money if it's there. But you are right: Milwaukee is a perfect situation for him.

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2010, 12:29:18 PM »

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Salmons is a pretty good player, but I don't think he's worth more than the MLE.

I agree, and if it wasn't for the unpredictability of the market after this off-season I'd say he's crazy to opt out. If he can get 3 years $14-15 it might be worth it though.

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Salmons had a good year with the Bucks, don't get me wrong.  But, the guy is still a gunner, first & foremost.

I just wouldn't overpay for his type and certainly not at the cost of $9 million a year or whatever it is.

If MIL plays their cards right, they are setting themselves up quite well going into this season.  They have two huge expirings in Redd & Gadzuric.  Something in the neigborhood of a combined $25 million that they can use as trade chips or whatver. 

If they decided to keep those two or only move one, they'll still be getting decent cap relief.  Overpaying Salmons long-term will put a chink in that flexibility. 


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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 12:52:02 PM »

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4 years @ $27 million = Salmons extension offer
5 years @ $33 million = MLE contract

The Bucks are pretty much offering Salmons the equivalent of a four year MLE deal.

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 01:13:22 PM »

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Salmons is a pretty good player, but I don't think he's worth more than the MLE.

I agree.  He is inconsistent, and I think just a bit overrated.  I honestly don't know if he is a significantly better player than Tony Allen (the funny thing is I used to make this argument as a knock on Salmons, but now it shows how far Tony has come).

I do think he would be stupid not to opt out though, given the CBA.  I think he will opt out, and sign with some bad team for the MLE, and will end up disappearing into obscurity.

What will be really interesting for the Bucks will be what they do with Redd.  That is a valuable expiring contract, particularly since if he plays, he should be productive, and otherwise, there is a good chance it is covered by insurance.  

If there are teams looking to get rid of contracts this summer, that could be very valuable.  

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 01:30:23 PM »

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How do you think Tony Allen pronounces Salmons' same?

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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2010, 01:35:17 PM »

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Hammond would not discuss specifics of the offer, but it is believed the Bucks have offered a maximum extension that would include Salmons' opt-in year and three additional years for a total of nearly $27 million.

I actually think it's not a bad deal for both sides. An average of $6-7 million a year does not seem outrageous for a guy like Salmons, who can do a little bit of everything, even if he does nothing spectacularly. Plus, the extension preserves the Bucks' MLE to address other areas of need.

Jennings and Bogut are the driving force of the team. Having Salmons as third banana isn't a bad choice. Delfino and LRMAM are nice complementary players, and Ilysavoa has made nice strides this season as well. That's the core.

They can either use Redd and Gadzuric at the deadline to acquire more talent, or let them expire and head into the following offseason with a lot of cap space.

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 01:35:34 PM »

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Is mike redd avaliable after this season? If so I would take him for some short money see if he can still play!