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Ups & Downs of Game Five
« on: May 12, 2010, 02:36:56 AM »

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Great win:

I think we can all agree that tonight's game was a "must-win", and that, had we lost tonight, the prospects of our season continuing would have been extremely nil. Thankfully we came out as focused as we've been all year, and carried out our game-plan to near perfection ... at both ends of the floor.

There were many things that contributed to this win, as is usually the case, but I want to shine light on just two things that stuck out for me and seem to be getting pushed to the shadows a bit. Those two things? Rasheed Wallace and Paul Pierce.





                                


The Downs:

I know there are those here who feel that Rasheed somehow gets more negative attention than he's due, and maybe that's true. But I gave this guy the benefit of the doubt when he came here, and hoped against hope that he would come through in a big way. I hate to say it, but he has been a big disappointment, to say the least.

He's had maybe two decent games in the playoffs to this point, and we need much more from him than that. What I hear mostly is that "he's a different guy in the playoffs" ... that he flips the switch and becomes this monster. Well, we're still waiting. Tonight was more the norm than the exception, and it was horrible.

Sheed was on the floor for 13 minutes tonight, and in that thirteen minutes he managed to squeeze in five very quick personal fouls, three rebounds, no points, no assists, no blocks, no steals, and one turnover. (Sunday: 20 minutes, 3 pts, 3 rbs). Sorry, but that's just horrendous ... yeah, everyone is entitled to a bad game here-and-there, but he has them as a regularity, not a rarety.

This is the fourth highest paid player on this team, but he doesn't play even close to that level. Sorry, but I'm just plain tired of this guy and his luke-warm, apathetic efforts. Nuf sed.





                                


The Ups:

Paul Pierce finally woke up! LeBron had a horrible night, but a large part of that horrible night was the defense played against him, for the most part by Paul Pierce. Everywhere I looked and listened tonight this was being minimized and written off to the Queen being out-of-sorts, but LBJ's big problem tonight was The Truth, at both ends of the floor.

Is it a coincidence that Paul scored over 20 points on a night that LeBron struggled? I don't think so ... I think it's because Paul turned it on, and when he turns it on, he does so with his whole game. His good defense translated into better offense at the other end, and that works on a team level as well as an individual level.

Yes, LeBron has bad shooting nights, but there's usually a good reason ... beyond the excuses of elbows and bad calls and being in a "funk" and just not shooting well, and that good reason tonight took the form of Paul Pierce. People seem very quick to label him and slam him when he's not playing up to par, but very slow to give him credit when it's due ... well, it's due ... NOW.

Everyone who played contributed to this win, (except Sheed), and that's what's so special about this team ... but the "it" factor tonight was The Truth, and I want to make sure that someone says so. Mission accomplished ... I can sleep well tonight, and start worrying about game six in the morning. ;)
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Re: Ups & Downs of Game Five
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2010, 01:24:45 PM »

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I'm amazed at how Sheed keeps coming away clean after performances like this, (and Sunday's), and how little credit Pierce is getting today. Even the media has down-played the role and impact, (positive and negative), of each of these guys. Great win, regardless ... and I hope they both show up on Thursday, and that Wallace proves me wrong. ;)
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Re: Ups & Downs of Game Five
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2010, 01:29:41 PM »

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I thought Sheed actually played an excellent game.  He gave them exactly what they needed, and I would even suggest he was better than he was in game 2.  Yes, in game 2 his statline was much more impressive, and he knocked down some huge shots...but his defense was nowhere near as good as it was last night. 

Last night, he was right there on all of his rotations, and he continued the "no easy baskets" philosophy.  He gave hard foul after hard foul on plays where it was absolutely the right play. 

Yes, I will admit he has been a huge disappointment so far this season/postseason, but lets give credit where credit is due.  The statline doesn't tell the story of how Sheed controlled the paint, and carried over the level of physicality that was set early in the game.

Re: Ups & Downs of Game Five
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2010, 01:34:10 PM »

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I'm amazed at how Sheed keeps coming away clean after performances like this, (and Sunday's), and how little credit Pierce is getting today. Even the media has down-played the role and impact, (positive and negative), of each of these guys. Great win, regardless ... and I hope they both show up on Thursday, and that Wallace proves me wrong. ;)
At least, because of the almost triple double, we won't see 'Paul Pierce lost it' threads in the near future. He was big yesterday.
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Re: Ups & Downs of Game Five
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2010, 01:36:32 PM »

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I'm amazed at how Sheed keeps coming away clean after performances like this, (and Sunday's), and how little credit Pierce is getting today. Even the media has down-played the role and impact, (positive and negative), of each of these guys. Great win, regardless ... and I hope they both show up on Thursday, and that Wallace proves me wrong. ;)
At least, because of the almost triple double, we won't see 'Paul Pierce lost it' threads in the near future. He was big yesterday.

Yeah ... thank God for small miracles, I have a feeling he's going to be huge on Thursday. (TP)
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Re: Ups & Downs of Game Five
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 01:36:40 PM »

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I pretty much followed the same path as you with Sheed this year ultimately leading to dissappointment.

However, I have leveled off my expectations and what he gave us last night was exatly what i was looking for. Sound rebounding and active defense. He was not called upon to score.

If he comes through offensively in a game it will be a pleasant surprise for me.

Those fouls were rediculous by the way and I really thought the first one was a bait call. Sheed showed some pretty good restraint not to pick up a tech.

Come around  to my side Bahku! It's much easier to watch Sheed play over here!

Also you were spot on about the captain. His defense in particular was phenomenal against James. He just made it tough for him to get in the lane. He did alot of denying him the ability to catch the ball in comfortable spots.

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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2010, 01:40:44 PM »

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At this point, Sheed coming in and using his fouls to stop layups is pretty much the best we can ask for from him.

I'm still disgusted with him, though.

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2010, 01:46:47 PM »

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I'm amazed at how Sheed keeps coming away clean after performances like this, (and Sunday's), and how little credit Pierce is getting today. Even the media has down-played the role and impact, (positive and negative), of each of these guys. Great win, regardless ... and I hope they both show up on Thursday, and that Wallace proves me wrong. ;)
At least, because of the almost triple double, we won't see 'Paul Pierce lost it' threads in the near future. He was big yesterday.

Yeah ... thank God for small miracles, I have a feeling he's going to be huge on Thursday. (TP)
Me too. Something along the showdown in game 7 from two years ago would be great.  With the same result of course ;) tp
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I pretty much followed the same path as you with Sheed this year ultimately leading to dissappointment.

However, I have leveled off my expectations and what he gave us last night was exatly what i was looking for. Sound rebounding and active defense. He was not called upon to score.

If he comes through offensively in a game it will be a pleasant surprise for me.

Those fouls were rediculous by the way and I really thought the first one was a bait call. Sheed showed some pretty good restraint not to pick up a tech.

Come around  to my side Bahku! It's much easier to watch Sheed play over here!

Also you were spot on about the captain. His defense in particular was phenomenal against James. He just made it tough for him to get in the lane. He did alot of denying him the ability to catch the ball in comfortable spots.

Sorry, Buddy ... didn't see the defense ... three rebounds, no steals, no blocks, took no charges ... where was all this defense? I'm not slamming your post at all, I just honestly don't see all this good stuff people keep talking about ... and I watched the game again twice, (after recording), looking for exactly that. Don't get it ... but I respect your opinion as always. (TP)
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Re: Ups & Downs of Game Five
« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2010, 01:48:57 PM »

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I pretty much followed the same path as you with Sheed this year ultimately leading to dissappointment.

However, I have leveled off my expectations and what he gave us last night was exatly what i was looking for. Sound rebounding and active defense. He was not called upon to score.

If he comes through offensively in a game it will be a pleasant surprise for me.

Those fouls were rediculous by the way and I really thought the first one was a bait call. Sheed showed some pretty good restraint not to pick up a tech.

Come around  to my side Bahku! It's much easier to watch Sheed play over here!

Also you were spot on about the captain. His defense in particular was phenomenal against James. He just made it tough for him to get in the lane. He did alot of denying him the ability to catch the ball in comfortable spots.

Sorry, Buddy ... didn't see the defense ... three rebounds, no steals, no blocks, took no charges ... where was all this defense? I'm not slamming your post at all, I just honestly don't see all this good stuff people keep talking about ... and I watched the game again twice, (after recording), looking for exactly that. Don't get it ... but I respect your opinion as always. (TP)

Did you watch the game, or just look at the stat sheet?  Because we all know that defensive stats like that don't tell us anything close to the whole story. 

Re: Ups & Downs of Game Five
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2010, 01:49:51 PM »

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I pretty much followed the same path as you with Sheed this year ultimately leading to dissappointment.

However, I have leveled off my expectations and what he gave us last night was exatly what i was looking for. Sound rebounding and active defense. He was not called upon to score.

If he comes through offensively in a game it will be a pleasant surprise for me.

Those fouls were rediculous by the way and I really thought the first one was a bait call. Sheed showed some pretty good restraint not to pick up a tech.

Come around  to my side Bahku! It's much easier to watch Sheed play over here!

Also you were spot on about the captain. His defense in particular was phenomenal against James. He just made it tough for him to get in the lane. He did alot of denying him the ability to catch the ball in comfortable spots.

Sorry, Buddy ... didn't see the defense ... three rebounds, no steals, no blocks, took no charges ... where was all this defense? I'm not slamming your post at all, I just honestly don't see all this good stuff people keep talking about ... and I watched the game again twice, (after recording), looking for exactly that. Don't get it ... but I respect your opinion as always. (TP)

Maybe I would see it differently if I watched it again but I think his rotations are alot better in this series specifically his help on Lebron and other penetrators do not result in weak slaps from behind. He is actually in a position to make a play.

Im not saying he looks like KG or anything  but like I said my expectations have been lowered considerably and he is meeting them at this point.

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2010, 01:52:23 PM »

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I pretty much followed the same path as you with Sheed this year ultimately leading to dissappointment.

However, I have leveled off my expectations and what he gave us last night was exatly what i was looking for. Sound rebounding and active defense. He was not called upon to score.

If he comes through offensively in a game it will be a pleasant surprise for me.

Those fouls were rediculous by the way and I really thought the first one was a bait call. Sheed showed some pretty good restraint not to pick up a tech.

Come around  to my side Bahku! It's much easier to watch Sheed play over here!

Also you were spot on about the captain. His defense in particular was phenomenal against James. He just made it tough for him to get in the lane. He did alot of denying him the ability to catch the ball in comfortable spots.

Sorry, Buddy ... didn't see the defense ... three rebounds, no steals, no blocks, took no charges ... where was all this defense? I'm not slamming your post at all, I just honestly don't see all this good stuff people keep talking about ... and I watched the game again twice, (after recording), looking for exactly that. Don't get it ... but I respect your opinion as always. (TP)
He had a very good +/- and he fouled hard to avoid giving up lay ups to Shaq.

Sheed is a massive disappointment. He was supposed to be our 6th man, backup two positions, and be our first big off the bench. Instead he's our backup C and 4th big and not a good backup C to boot.

I don't have a problem with his game last night, he filled his role. His rebounding of 3 per 13 isn't what you want, but neither is KG's 6 in 32.

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2010, 01:55:59 PM »

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I pretty much followed the same path as you with Sheed this year ultimately leading to dissappointment.

However, I have leveled off my expectations and what he gave us last night was exatly what i was looking for. Sound rebounding and active defense. He was not called upon to score.

If he comes through offensively in a game it will be a pleasant surprise for me.

Those fouls were rediculous by the way and I really thought the first one was a bait call. Sheed showed some pretty good restraint not to pick up a tech.

Come around  to my side Bahku! It's much easier to watch Sheed play over here!

Also you were spot on about the captain. His defense in particular was phenomenal against James. He just made it tough for him to get in the lane. He did alot of denying him the ability to catch the ball in comfortable spots.

Sorry, Buddy ... didn't see the defense ... three rebounds, no steals, no blocks, took no charges ... where was all this defense? I'm not slamming your post at all, I just honestly don't see all this good stuff people keep talking about ... and I watched the game again twice, (after recording), looking for exactly that. Don't get it ... but I respect your opinion as always. (TP)

Did you watch the game, or just look at the stat sheet?  Because we all know that defensive stats like that don't tell us anything close to the whole story. 
The team played well overall when he was out there:

Look at the gameflow:

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Sheed is doing the little things like just clogging up the paint, help defense, swatting and tipping balls for rebounds (if he cant secure them). Things that dont really show in the stat sheet. Defensively I'd say hes been a nice presence.
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2010, 02:00:41 PM »

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I wanted them to sign sheed, praised the deal, and have been disappointed since. However, I thought that Sheed actually brought good energy to both games 4 and 5. He has hustled more in both those games than I saw him hustle all year. He is moving his feet on defense and actually jumping for rebounds. I have no problem with Sheed's performance last night, and yes, my expectations have been lowered considerably. I thought he gave the team what it needed.