How Good is Rondo?

[Bahku]

I personally would never trade Rondo ... this kid is getting better by leaps and bounds right before our eyes, and in a few years will be the best PG in the NBA. He's already a better ball-handler and rebounder than Williams, and on par with dimes. The jump-shot is improving quickly, and trut me, anyone who can match 3-point shots with Durant, has the ability to become a great jump-shooter. He hasn't given that the attention it needs because frankly, it was the least important part of his game, (as required by this team). Now that he's getting very comfortable with his role, the jump-shot is gettinmg more vitality, and improving on a weekly basis.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, hate to sound negative here but Rondo was the point guard on a team that struggled to get to 50 wins this year.

Hate to sound positive here but Rondo was the best player on a 50 win team.

Was he the best player? Perhaps, but he was, like the team,  inconsistent. Also, I still think KG has more of an impact than Rondo. The team is playing much better now that he's much closer to healthy. It's hard to separate that from Rondo's performance in my mind.

6' tall point guards are always going to be easier to find than 7' tall big men. As good as Rondo is, you'd trade him for Howard in a heart beat.

People are overreacting with this top 5 nba player stuff.

Well.....I don't know if people are over-reacting with Top 5 NBA rating...the man did in fact make The NBA All-Defensive Team, along with Kobe, Lebron, Dwight, etc, right?

And I myself wouldn't trade Rondo for Dwight. Quote me on that one. As great a player as Dwight is, he has holes in his game.

Ask Perk about Dwight.

[Boris Badenov]

To me it is very hard to evaluate him.

Even this year, he is playing with three guys who are arguably a top 5 interior/team defender (KG), a top 5 outside shooter (Ray), and a top 5 clutch end-of-game scorer (PP). Rondo benefits generally from playing with those guys, but more important, each of them provides a critical skill that Rondo hasn't shown yet (except perhaps defense). He's in the ideal situation given his game. What if he were on the Bulls? Or the Heat, or maybe even the Jazz?

To put him in the upper echelon of NBA players seems premature. I can think of a lot of other players who would immediately become championship contenders or even favorites if you put them on a squad with our Big Three (plus our supporting cast).

[BballTim]

Great Discussions here.

I believe Rondo is Great. He played great during the playoff run last year, and has been great for us thus far. He has had some inconsistencies this season, but overall I would place him maybe one step below D Will and CP3.

But even that Gap is closing. D Will outplayed him (but not by much) in their head to head meetings this year.

I believe that S Nash outplayed him, too..at least offensively.

If I remember correctly, his match against CP3 was nearly even.

Like Who stated - work on his Jumper, which he will.

He will only get better, too....especially as the Big Three give him room. He is not even in his Prime, yet.

Rondo's been able to hang with CP3 and Nash pretty well, not just this year but in previous years. But Deron Williams ate him alive in Utah this season. It was just brutal. Rondo struggles with bigger, physical guys more than he does quick guys.

billups too
but league its all about matchups
deron is strugling in second round
rondos not
so if you ask me who i want on my
team i will say rajon 25 outa 26 times...
he use to suffer against b

If Utah called today and offered Deron Williams for Rondo, I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.

Nope - D Will is Great - maybe the best right now, but not as good a rebounder as Rondo. I wouldn't make such a trade. D Will is a better scorer than Rondo, but that's it.

  As we saw when KG and Paul were out, and as we're seeing in the playoffs, Rondo's not that bad a scorer when he tries to be one.

[Bahku]

Well, hate to sound negative here but Rondo was the point guard on a team that struggled to get to 50 wins this year.

Hate to sound positive here but Rondo was the best player on a 50 win team.

Was he the best player? Perhaps, but he was, like the team,  inconsistent. Also, I still think KG has more of an impact than Rondo. The team is playing much better now that he's much closer to healthy. It's hard to separate that from Rondo's performance in my mind.

6' tall point guards are always going to be easier to find than 7' tall big men. As good as Rondo is, you'd trade him for Howard in a heart beat.

People are overreacting with this top 5 nba player stuff.

Well.....I don't know if people are over-reacting with Top 5 NBA rating...the man did in fact make The NBA All-Defensive Team, along with Kobe, Lebron, Dwight, etc, right?

And I myself wouldn't trade Rondo for Dwight. Quote me on that one. As great a player as Dwight is, he has holes in his game.

Ask Perk about Dwight.

Co-sign this ... DH has major holes in his game, and huge inconsistencies ... don't like Howard, (that usually causes an uproar). I would not trade Rondo ... period. We need to think about the future, and I'm serious when I say I think this kid will end up being one of the best PG's of all time. If we let him go, we're going to be pulling another "Chauncey", but of epic proportions. Rondo is the guy we build our future team around.

[BballTim]

To me it is very hard to evaluate him.

Even this year, he is playing with three guys who are arguably a top 5 interior/team defender (KG), a top 5 outside shooter (Ray), and a top 5 clutch end-of-game scorer (PP). Rondo benefits generally from playing with those guys, but more important, each of them provides a critical skill that Rondo hasn't shown yet (except perhaps defense). He's in the ideal situation given his game. What if he were on the Bulls? Or the Heat, or maybe even the Jazz?

To put him in the upper echelon of NBA players seems premature. I can think of a lot of other players who would immediately become championship contenders or even favorites if you put them on a squad with our Big Three (plus our supporting cast).

  This isn't 2008. It's as much the case that the Big Three benefit from playing with Rondo than the other way around. Switch the average pg (or even some above average pgs) for Rondo, against Cleveland and we'd be down 3-1 if we were lucky enough to avoid a sweep.

[moiso]

Well, hate to sound negative here but Rondo was the point guard on a team that struggled to get to 50 wins this year.

Hate to sound positive here but Rondo was the best player on a 50 win team.

Was he the best player? Perhaps, but he was, like the team,  inconsistent. Also, I still think KG has more of an impact than Rondo. The team is playing much better now that he's much closer to healthy. It's hard to separate that from Rondo's performance in my mind.

6' tall point guards are always going to be easier to find than 7' tall big men. As good as Rondo is, you'd trade him for Howard in a heart beat.

People are overreacting with this top 5 nba player stuff.

Well.....I don't know if people are over-reacting with Top 5 NBA rating...the man did in fact make The NBA All-Defensive Team, along with Kobe, Lebron, Dwight, etc, right?

And I myself wouldn't trade Rondo for Dwight. Quote me on that one. As great a player as Dwight is, he has holes in his game.

Ask Perk about Dwight.

There aren't many players I would trade Rondo for, but Howard would be one of the few.

[reggie35]

Ask Perk about Dwight.

Again, not to sound negative here, but Perk's (and Rondo's) Celtics lost to Dwight's Magic last year. Hopefully, this year will be a different story, but I stand by my original statement. A talented 7 footer is more valuable than a talented PG with few exceptions. e.g. Magic Johnson was an exception because he was 6'9".

[BballTim]

Ask Perk about Dwight.

Again, not to sound negative here, but Perk's (and Rondo's) Celtics lost to Dwight's Magic last year. Hopefully, this year will be a different story, but I stand by my original statement. A talented 7 footer is more valuable than a talented PG with few exceptions. e.g. Magic Johnson was an exception because he was 6'9".

  Yes, but what's the point of that comment? A superstar c is clearly better to have than a superstar pg, but we aren't getting a young superstar c any time soon. So what's the point of making that observation?

[GreenFaith1819]

Ask Perk about Dwight.

Again, not to sound negative here, but Perk's (and Rondo's) Celtics lost to Dwight's Magic last year. Hopefully, this year will be a different story, but I stand by my original statement. A talented 7 footer is more valuable than a talented PG with few exceptions. e.g. Magic Johnson was an exception because he was 6'9".

True. But I'd still keep number 9.

Do you think that Man for Man ORL beats us in a week or so (provided we can get past CLE)? A healthy Celtics Team? With no one on ORL to slow down Paul? A healthy KG? Rondo playing like he is? Our bench play the last two games?

[GreenFaith1819]

With our Team's make-up right now, I love the Superstar PG and The Center who can Slow Down Dwight Howard - You know, The Beast. And I'm not talking about the X-Men's Beast either. He's tougher than that.

[reggie35]

Ask Perk about Dwight.

Again, not to sound negative here, but Perk's (and Rondo's) Celtics lost to Dwight's Magic last year. Hopefully, this year will be a different story, but I stand by my original statement. A talented 7 footer is more valuable than a talented PG with few exceptions. e.g. Magic Johnson was an exception because he was 6'9".

  Yes, but what's the point of that comment? A superstar c is clearly better to have than a superstar pg, but we aren't getting a young superstar c any time soon. So what's the point of making that observation?

I'm backing up my original comment that if the opportunity to trade Rondo for Dwight Howard came up (which it wouldn't) then you'd have to make that trade.

[reggie35]

Ask Perk about Dwight.

Again, not to sound negative here, but Perk's (and Rondo's) Celtics lost to Dwight's Magic last year. Hopefully, this year will be a different story, but I stand by my original statement. A talented 7 footer is more valuable than a talented PG with few exceptions. e.g. Magic Johnson was an exception because he was 6'9".

True. But I'd still keep number 9.

Do you think that Man for Man ORL beats us in a week or so (provided we can get past CLE)? A healthy Celtics Team? With no one on ORL to slow down Paul? A healthy KG? Rondo playing like he is? Our bench play the last two games?

The way Orlando's playing right now, it's hard to say. Orlando has always given the Celtics fits, more so than Cleveland. I think with some luck the Celtics can beat Cleveland and ditto for Orlando.

[GreenFaith1819]

Ask Perk about Dwight.

Again, not to sound negative here, but Perk's (and Rondo's) Celtics lost to Dwight's Magic last year. Hopefully, this year will be a different story, but I stand by my original statement. A talented 7 footer is more valuable than a talented PG with few exceptions. e.g. Magic Johnson was an exception because he was 6'9".

  Yes, but what's the point of that comment? A superstar c is clearly better to have than a superstar pg, but we aren't getting a young superstar c any time soon. So what's the point of making that observation?

I'm backing up my original comment that if the opportunity to trade Rondo for Dwight Howard came up (which it wouldn't) then you'd have to make that trade.

You mean You would? I wouldn't.

If you ask me, Dwight is still not polished on Offense. He still has the same little running hook, a little post up baby hook, and he is so gifted athletically that when he misses a shot if he is anywhere in the vicinity he gets the reb and slams it back in.

That's Dwight Howard May 2010. And May 2009.

Perk has proven that he can get position on him to keep him off balance. Dwight has small legs, even though he is one of the strongest upper bodies in the NBA right now.

I can't figure out why Al Horford couldn't keep Dwight under control. He appears to be as big as Dwight.

And Dwight spent all of the 1st round in foul trouble - against CHA.

Now - Rondo for Olajuwon? In Olajuwon's Prime? Of Course. But Dwight is No Hakeem.

[reggie35]

Ask Perk about Dwight.

Again, not to sound negative here, but Perk's (and Rondo's) Celtics lost to Dwight's Magic last year. Hopefully, this year will be a different story, but I stand by my original statement. A talented 7 footer is more valuable than a talented PG with few exceptions. e.g. Magic Johnson was an exception because he was 6'9".

  Yes, but what's the point of that comment? A superstar c is clearly better to have than a superstar pg, but we aren't getting a young superstar c any time soon. So what's the point of making that observation?

I'm backing up my original comment that if the opportunity to trade Rondo for Dwight Howard came up (which it wouldn't) then you'd have to make that trade.

You mean You would? I wouldn't.

If you ask me, Dwight is still not polished on Offense. He still has the same little running hook, a little post up baby hook, and he is so gifted athletically that when he misses a shot if he is anywhere in the vicinity he gets the reb and slams it back in.

That's Dwight Howard May 2010. And May 2009.

Perk has proven that he can get position on him to keep him off balance. Dwight has small legs, even though he is one of the strongest upper bodies in the NBA right now.

I can't figure out why Al Horford couldn't keep Dwight under control. He appears to be as big as Dwight.

And Dwight spent all of the 1st round in foul trouble - against CHA.

Now - Rondo for Olajuwon? In Olajuwon's Prime? Of Course. But Dwight is No Hakeem.

I agree that Dwight is no Hakeem but I'd still trade Rondo for Dwight Howard. There are way more 6' guys who can play basketball well than there are 7' guys. Howard makes Jameer Nelson look like an all star. Look at the Lakers do with Derek Fisher and Jordan Farmar and two skilled 7 footers.

Don't get me wrong, Rondo is a great player and an incredible bargain for the Celtics right now but he's not top 5 nba and he's not more valuable than a center.