Doc sends 4 plays to the NBA office for Review??? Game 1 - which ones

[jr_3421]

If I had to guess, I'd say the
1. Rondo charge
2. Pierce drive with under 2 minutes in the 4th where Lebron hit him
3. Lebron dig on KG where he hit his arm, and then made body contact from behind.
4. KG offensive foul on a screen where he had the ball and Williams ran into him.

I agree, those were probably the worst.  The KG offensive foul was particularly atrocious.  The refs were practically inventing calls.  I will take a bad no-call over that KG call any day.  At least with a no-call, they could argue they didn't see it.  But when you blow the whistle and call garbage like that, there is no excuse.

I must be thinking about a different call on KG.  Are we talking about the one where he got the ball high on the left side, and someone ran around him, using him as a pick, and they called the foul on him?  Because that was absolutely a foul.  He clearly pushed his hip out, which is not legal.

If you look at the video, all KG did was turn using his pivot foot. His hip never flared out so it was a legal move. Tim Duncan does it all the time. As long as you don't lean into the defender, it's perfectly legal.

[Chris]

If I had to guess, I'd say the
1. Rondo charge
2. Pierce drive with under 2 minutes in the 4th where Lebron hit him
3. Lebron dig on KG where he hit his arm, and then made body contact from behind.
4. KG offensive foul on a screen where he had the ball and Williams ran into him.

I agree, those were probably the worst.  The KG offensive foul was particularly atrocious.  The refs were practically inventing calls.  I will take a bad no-call over that KG call any day.  At least with a no-call, they could argue they didn't see it.  But when you blow the whistle and call garbage like that, there is no excuse.

I must be thinking about a different call on KG.  Are we talking about the one where he got the ball high on the left side, and someone ran around him, using him as a pick, and they called the foul on him?  Because that was absolutely a foul.  He clearly pushed his hip out, which is not legal.

If you look at the video, all KG did was turn using his pivot foot. His hip never flared out so it was a legal move. Tim Duncan does it all the time. As long as you don't lean into the defender, it's perfectly legal.

We must be talking about a different play, because on the one I was watching, KG clearly stuck his hip out.

[MMacOH]

You guys know the Cavs did this as well right?  Every team sends plays to the league after a playoff game for review

[CDawg834]

Apparently it was bad calls. 



So many to choose from.

It would have been 100 times better if the video of the 4 plays they submitted had overdubbed audio of Tommy Heinsohn flipping out from that Phoenix game back in the day.

[Cman]

"But they said I was right."

I wonder if they said this before or after last night's game. 

If after last night's game, it makes me wonder if we might see (gasp!) some relatively even refereeing for Game 3. 

If it was before the game, then I shudder to think how much greater the FT and foul disparities might have been... 

[Birdbrain]

1. Rondo got called for charge.  Obvious block.

2. BBD got called for a block.  Obvious charge.

3. and 4. A few of Pauls fouls.

[Birdbrain]

You guys know the Cavs did this as well right?  Every team sends plays to the league after a playoff game for review

The league front office probably get a good snicker from the Cavs sending in list of questionable calls. 

[MBz]

There were plenty.  You could pick probably 10 centered around LeBron between travels and fouls that should have been called.  There was a basket KG scored in the first half I believe where LeBron nailed him from behind and sent KG to the floor and their was no foul.

[Birdbrain]

There were plenty.  You could pick probably 10 centered around LeBron between travels and fouls that should have been called.  There was a basket KG scored in the first half I believe where LeBron nailed him from behind and sent KG to the floor and their was no foul.

Forgot about that gem.  He literally tackled KG right in front of the ref.  KG has to be the best the player of all time to never get calls.

I mean do these guy remember this is a guy that averaged a double double for 10 years. 

[Chris]

I hope Doc sends the tape of the Pierce "clothesline" from game 2.  I think that is a technical that should be rescinded.  Pierce was clearly just trying to grab him to slow him up, something that happens all the time when guys are fouled like that, but Williams dropped like he was shot.  Those are the kind of things that can cause escalations.  It's one thing to exagerate fouls a bit, but that seemed a little over the top to me.

[Finkelskyhook]

I hope Doc sends the tape of the Pierce "clothesline" from game 2.  I think that is a technical that should be rescinded.  Pierce was clearly just trying to grab him to slow him up, something that happens all the time when guys are fouled like that, but Williams dropped like he was shot.  Those are the kind of things that can cause escalations.  It's one thing to exagerate fouls a bit, but that seemed a little over the top to me.

That play is the poster child for how things would have been handled different 20 years ago. 

If Williams would have flopped like that 20 years ago and gotten a tech called against Pierce as a result.  Perk or Garnett would Malone'd him and given him reason to flop one of the next trips down the court.

The players policed themselves from the flopping BS.

[MMacOH]

I hope Doc sends the tape of the Pierce "clothesline" from game 2.  I think that is a technical that should be rescinded.  Pierce was clearly just trying to grab him to slow him up, something that happens all the time when guys are fouled like that, but Williams dropped like he was shot.  Those are the kind of things that can cause escalations.  It's one thing to exagerate fouls a bit, but that seemed a little over the top to me.

While I agree it wasn't a clothesline, lets not get ahead of ourselves and assume Pierce was just trying to slo him up.  You don't grab someone on the shoulder while they are already leaning to slow them down.

[nickagneta]

What does it matter if Doc sent four plays to the league for review. All the league is going to do is say "Ooops. Our bad. WEe'll talk to those naughty refs" and then trash the footage and do nothing because what do they care if the Celtics got hosed by the refs?

Now if the refs were sticking it to the Cavs......different story there.

[MBz]

I hope Doc sends the tape of the Pierce "clothesline" from game 2.  I think that is a technical that should be rescinded.  Pierce was clearly just trying to grab him to slow him up, something that happens all the time when guys are fouled like that, but Williams dropped like he was shot.  Those are the kind of things that can cause escalations.  It's one thing to exagerate fouls a bit, but that seemed a little over the top to me.

While I agree it wasn't a clothesline, lets not get ahead of ourselves and assume Pierce was just trying to slo him up.  You don't grab someone on the shoulder while they are already leaning to slow them down.

Yeah that play was tough.  First time I saw it, I thought it was a bad call.  When they slowed it down, I wasn't so sure anymore.  Had he wrapped him with both arms, I may have been more inclined to think that Pierce was just trying to slow him down.

[Chris]

I hope Doc sends the tape of the Pierce "clothesline" from game 2.  I think that is a technical that should be rescinded.  Pierce was clearly just trying to grab him to slow him up, something that happens all the time when guys are fouled like that, but Williams dropped like he was shot.  Those are the kind of things that can cause escalations.  It's one thing to exagerate fouls a bit, but that seemed a little over the top to me.

While I agree it wasn't a clothesline, lets not get ahead of ourselves and assume Pierce was just trying to slo him up.  You don't grab someone on the shoulder while they are already leaning to slow them down.

Well, we are talking semantics.  He was trying to stop him so he doesn't get a free layup after a foul.  Again, it happens all the time.  He was certainly not trying to clothesline him.