WOW, The big Fix in game one.

[Chris]

I don't think it was a fix at all.  I think it was just legitimately bad officiating.  I didn't get the feeling they were trying to win the game for either team, they just had no clue what they were doing out there, and were incredibly inconsistent.  

[RAcker]

I don't think it was a fix at all.  I think it was just legitimately bad officiating.  I didn't get the feeling they were trying to win the game for either team, they just had no clue what they were doing out there, and were incredibly inconsistent.  

Agreed.  Those guys didn't even appear smart enough to be able to fix a game.  They were like Larry, Mo and Curly out there.  Ray even got accidentally defended by one.

[BBS]

I think what most of us are saying is, this league isn't fixed but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages, at the free throw line and so on. THAT STILL SUCKS. I would go as far as to say, that if you can't see the refs nursing James, I think you need (new) glasses.

That's it, I am done with this thread.

PS. You know, that dead horse you're talking about, IP? It went on tour with Primus.

How can you say that the league isn't rigged but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages. That means it's RIGGED. Any time the rules change for some but not all it means it's rigged. I know the truth hurts but it is truth. The NBA is corrupt and is getting away with it period.  I guess I'm the only person who realises this.

You are not alone. I think you are in the majority. Anyone just watching the games can see the inequality of the officiating.

Last year Pierce was 8th in the league for free throws attempted per game. I don't remember a bunch of "Paul Pierce is getting calls he doesn't deserve!" threads back then.

Superstar calls have been a fact of life for a very long time, and it didn't start with Jordan. If you're well known, if you're a vet in the league, if you're aggressive with the ball and go to the hoop, you're going to get more calls. That's how it works.

And that means the NBA is corrupt. there is no defense you can't have it both ways. When will people realise this. The very fact that they say "SUPER STARS don't get certain fouls called on them cuz of who they are means it's RIGGED. The NBA doesn't try to hide this fact so don't make excuses for them. It's time to call them on it.

This is not a Celtics thing it's a NBA thing. DON'T GET IT TWISTED.

[liam]

I think what most of us are saying is, this league isn't fixed but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages, at the free throw line and so on. THAT STILL SUCKS. I would go as far as to say, that if you can't see the refs nursing James, I think you need (new) glasses.

That's it, I am done with this thread.

PS. You know, that dead horse you're talking about, IP? It went on tour with Primus.

How can you say that the league isn't rigged but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages. That means it's RIGGED. Any time the rules change for some but not all it means it's rigged. I know the truth hurts but it is truth. The NBA is corrupt and is getting away with it period.  I guess I'm the only person who realises this.

You are not alone. I think you are in the majority. Anyone just watching the games can see the inequality of the officiating.

Last year Pierce was 8th in the league for free throws attempted per game. I don't remember a bunch of "Paul Pierce is getting calls he doesn't deserve!" threads back then.

Superstar calls have been a fact of life for a very long time, and it didn't start with Jordan. If you're well known, if you're a vet in the league, if you're aggressive with the ball and go to the hoop, you're going to get more calls. That's how it works.

And that means the NBA is corrupt. there is no defense you can't have it both ways. When will people realise this. The very fact that they say "SUPER STARS don't get certain fouls called on them cuz of who they are means it's RIGGED. The NBA doesn't try to hide this fact so don't make excuses for them. It's time to call them on it.

This is not a Celtics thing it's a NBA thing. DON'T GET IT TWISTED.

TP

[indeedproceed]

I think what most of us are saying is, this league isn't fixed but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages, at the free throw line and so on. THAT STILL SUCKS. I would go as far as to say, that if you can't see the refs nursing James, I think you need (new) glasses.

That's it, I am done with this thread.

PS. You know, that dead horse you're talking about, IP? It went on tour with Primus.

How can you say that the league isn't rigged but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages. That means it's RIGGED. Any time the rules change for some but not all it means it's rigged. I know the truth hurts but it is truth. The NBA is corrupt and is getting away with it period.  I guess I'm the only person who realises this.

You are not alone. I think you are in the majority. Anyone just watching the games can see the inequality of the officiating.

Last year Pierce was 8th in the league for free throws attempted per game. I don't remember a bunch of "Paul Pierce is getting calls he doesn't deserve!" threads back then.

Superstar calls have been a fact of life for a very long time, and it didn't start with Jordan. If you're well known, if you're a vet in the league, if you're aggressive with the ball and go to the hoop, you're going to get more calls. That's how it works.

And that means the NBA is corrupt. there is no defense you can't have it both ways. When will people realise this. The very fact that they say "SUPER STARS don't get certain fouls called on them cuz of who they are means it's RIGGED. The NBA doesn't try to hide this fact so don't make excuses for them. It's time to call them on it.

This is not a Celtics thing it's a NBA thing. DON'T GET IT TWISTED.

I don't think it means the NBA is corrupt. It's just the way the NBA is reffed. We got 3 hall of famers that should all be getting between 7 and 8 ft's per game, and they're not because they seek out contact way less than they used to.

If you want a call, get into the scrum. The NBA refs are hesitant to call charges anyways, less likely with superstars. Why can't our boys use that to their advantage?

I don't know if I would call superstar calls corrupt. Or Kurrupt.

[Chris]

I think what most of us are saying is, this league isn't fixed but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages, at the free throw line and so on. THAT STILL SUCKS. I would go as far as to say, that if you can't see the refs nursing James, I think you need (new) glasses.

That's it, I am done with this thread.

PS. You know, that dead horse you're talking about, IP? It went on tour with Primus.

How can you say that the league isn't rigged but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages. That means it's RIGGED. Any time the rules change for some but not all it means it's rigged. I know the truth hurts but it is truth. The NBA is corrupt and is getting away with it period.  I guess I'm the only person who realises this.

You are not alone. I think you are in the majority. Anyone just watching the games can see the inequality of the officiating.

Last year Pierce was 8th in the league for free throws attempted per game. I don't remember a bunch of "Paul Pierce is getting calls he doesn't deserve!" threads back then.

Superstar calls have been a fact of life for a very long time, and it didn't start with Jordan. If you're well known, if you're a vet in the league, if you're aggressive with the ball and go to the hoop, you're going to get more calls. That's how it works.

And that means the NBA is corrupt. there is no defense you can't have it both ways. When will people realise this. The very fact that they say "SUPER STARS don't get certain fouls called on them cuz of who they are means it's RIGGED. The NBA doesn't try to hide this fact so don't make excuses for them. It's time to call them on it.

This is not a Celtics thing it's a NBA thing. DON'T GET IT TWISTED.

I don't think it means the NBA is corrupt. It's just the way the NBA is reffed. We got 3 hall of famers that should all be getting between 7 and 8 ft's per game, and they're not because they seek out contact way less than they used to.

If you want a call, get into the scrum. The NBA refs are hesitant to call charges anyways, less likely with superstars. Why can't our boys use that to their advantage?

I don't know if I would call superstar calls corrupt. Or Kurrupt.

Agreed.  The Cavs played to the refs, and were rewarded.  The C's didn't. 

And honestly, I didn't see that many "superstar" calls on saturday.  I thought there were a number of times when the C's hit Lebron, where a call could have been made but wasn't. 

[Birdbrain]

There were some questionable (trying to be nice) calls against the C's (block,charge calls on BBD and Rondo were horrible) but, it wasn't so bad that they didn't have a good shot of winning the game.  They probably should have been up at least 15 at the half.  Hopefully they have a bigger cushion going into the 4th tonight so they don't leave it up to LJ at charity stripe (hitting every part of the rim and luckily rolling in).

[jdpapa3]

Agreed.  The Cavs played to the refs, and were rewarded.  The C's didn't.

And honestly, I didn't see that many "superstar" calls on saturday.  I thought there were a number of times when the C's hit Lebron, where a call could have been made but wasn't. 

I disagree with this. Points in the paint were the same and Celtics did a good amount of driving and posting up. Lebron was getting away with things other players are not allowed to. He bumped Pierce on a drive to the hoop as a help defender after Pierce blew by Shaq on a pick and roll switch. Lebron also fouled KG twice on a postup when he was digging to help Jamison. Also looked like he fouled Glen Davis on that out of bounds play.

There's a technology from Synergy where you can literally see every play now. You can work it so that you can see every postup a player has had in the entire season streaming. It's awesome, even though it costs a small amount of cheddar.

[BBS]

I think what most of us are saying is, this league isn't fixed but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages, at the free throw line and so on. THAT STILL SUCKS. I would go as far as to say, that if you can't see the refs nursing James, I think you need (new) glasses.

That's it, I am done with this thread.

PS. You know, that dead horse you're talking about, IP? It went on tour with Primus.

How can you say that the league isn't rigged but it's made in a way that gives certain players advantages. That means it's RIGGED. Any time the rules change for some but not all it means it's rigged. I know the truth hurts but it is truth. The NBA is corrupt and is getting away with it period.  I guess I'm the only person who realises this.

You are not alone. I think you are in the majority. Anyone just watching the games can see the inequality of the officiating.

Last year Pierce was 8th in the league for free throws attempted per game. I don't remember a bunch of "Paul Pierce is getting calls he doesn't deserve!" threads back then.

Superstar calls have been a fact of life for a very long time, and it didn't start with Jordan. If you're well known, if you're a vet in the league, if you're aggressive with the ball and go to the hoop, you're going to get more calls. That's how it works.

And that means the NBA is corrupt. there is no defense you can't have it both ways. When will people realise this. The very fact that they say "SUPER STARS don't get certain fouls called on them cuz of who they are means it's RIGGED. The NBA doesn't try to hide this fact so don't make excuses for them. It's time to call them on it.

This is not a Celtics thing it's a NBA thing. DON'T GET IT TWISTED.

I don't think it means the NBA is corrupt. It's just the way the NBA is reffed. We got 3 hall of famers that should all be getting between 7 and 8 ft's per game, and they're not because they seek out contact way less than they used to.

If you want a call, get into the scrum. The NBA refs are hesitant to call charges anyways, less likely with superstars. Why can't our boys use that to their advantage?

I don't know if I would call superstar calls corrupt. Or Kurrupt.

 like I said, I don't know why people turn a blind eye to this corruption but they do. It is corruption when the NBA says it has certain rules for certain players. But people either can't grasp that or like I said turn a blind eye to it. In turn it only makes it easier for the NBA to get away with it.  

Edit: I have not once tryed to tie this point to the Celtics in any way my point is strictly about the NBA's confession that the league is corrupt by saying certain players get certain calls. So don't start with the Celtics this the Celtics that. LIKE I SAID, DON'T GET IT TWISTED.

[indeedproceed]

Agreed.  The Cavs played to the refs, and were rewarded.  The C's didn't.

And honestly, I didn't see that many "superstar" calls on saturday.  I thought there were a number of times when the C's hit Lebron, where a call could have been made but wasn't.  

I disagree with this. Points in the paint were the same and Celtics did a good amount of driving and posting up. Lebron was getting away with things other players are not allowed to. He bumped Pierce on a drive to the hoop as a help defender after Pierce blew by Shaq on a pick and roll switch. Lebron also fouled KG twice on a postup when he was digging to help Jamison. Also looked like he fouled Glen Davis on that out of bounds play.

There's a technology from Synergy where you can literally see every play now. You can work it so that you can see every postup a player has had in the entire season streaming. It's awesome, even though it costs a small amount of cheddar.

I would LOVE to have a syndergy account. Its actually been around for a couple of years.

That said, finding 4 times when LeBron fouled someone doesn't really mean anything by its self. how many fouls did KG get away with? PP? Perkins? JJ Hickson?

I'm not arguing, I think that NBA officials are obviously less ancy to call fouls on the LeBrons and D Wades or Kobes (or PP's or KG's) of the world...but I dunno by how much of a factor that is, or if teams get mostly identical treatment.

I think like everyone else does that the game was poorly officiated, but I thanks claiming some kind of "fix" is not justified or supported.

[liam]

When Leon Powe shot all those free throws in the finals against the Lakers i the finals, Phil Jackson didn't complain that Leon wasn't fouled all those times, he complained " Who is Pow?". He was upset because he wasn't a star. The NBA is cutting it's own throat.

[liam]

Tonight:

Dick Bavetta
Dan Crawford
Ed Malloy

Does this change the betting line? I bet it does.

[jdpapa3]

I would LOVE to have a syndergy account. Its actually been around for a couple of years.

Available to the fans now for $30. Nice, except only available until September.

http://mysynergysports.com/

[hwangjini_1]

well, i gave up reading this thread after page 3...it was filled with quite a bit of hostility.

nonetheless, since i am rather guileless and naive, i will write a post.

i watched the game and the good news is that when the celtics play good defense, let rondo drive, and consistently attacked the basket...they were better than the cavaliers! 

from what i saw the celtics decided to stop driving to the basket and instead reverted to jump shooting. from there, things went south quickly.

i also thought cleveland played some good interior defense in the third quarter cutting off some celtic passes. this was when doc needed to make adjustments, but i did not see them.

as for the fouls, i thought the cavs got more than their share, but it wasnt the refs who won the game. it was the celtics who lost the game by going away from a very, very successful game plan during the 3rd quarter.

after watching the game, i honestly think the celtics should win this series. if they play hard and attack the basket for 48 minutes the cavaliers can not stop them.

see? i can not hate the refs and still be a loyal celtic fan. 

[Jeff]

what does World of Warcraft have to do with the Celtics?