what does simmons predict for cavs vs celtics?

[PosImpos]

Just listened to the podcast... like everyone else who isn't crazy, he's got the Cavs winning the series.  Forget how many games.  Stein says he has the Cavs in 6.  They both agreed Miami is a crap team and we shouldn't read into us beating them.

Yeah, they both talked about a Magic / Cavs ECF as a foregone conclusion.

Oh, and Simmons threw around Ray Allen's name as a possible player on a bunch of different teams next year, not even considering that he'd come back to play for the Celtics.

He's also pretty much convinced Doc is leaving the Celtics this summer.

So basically...I have no idea how this guy can claim he's a Celtics fan.  He seems to love the Thunder a whole lot more.

What?

How does thinking that Ray and Doc won't be back indicate ANYTHING about whether you're a Celtics fan?

There have been reports that Ray expects the Celtics WON'T resign him for next year. And reports Doc may be considering leaving.

But don't let that stop you from your spin-doctoring.
 

It indicates that, to me, because he talked about it as if they were foregone conclusions and not even really a bad thing.  When he talked about Doc and Ray going elsewhere, he barely mentioned the Celtics or the effect it would have on them.  That's not the way a real Celtics fan would talk about a beloved player and long-time coach possibly leaving their favorite franchise.

Sorry man - I check out when people start dictating how "real Celtics fans" think or say or feel. You're not the authority on that. We all have a different experience of fandom.

Personally, I don't want Ray back next year. And while I love Doc as a person, I'm not sure he's the right coach for the future.

Does that make me a "fake" Celtics fan?

If you're able to go on air and talk about bad things happening to the Celtics and long-term members of the organization - who have done nothing but give their all and produce for us for multiple years - leaving without a second thought or any hint of regret in your voice...then yeah, maybe it does.

[FallGuy]

Just listened to the podcast... like everyone else who isn't crazy, he's got the Cavs winning the series.  Forget how many games.  Stein says he has the Cavs in 6.  They both agreed Miami is a crap team and we shouldn't read into us beating them.

Yeah, they both talked about a Magic / Cavs ECF as a foregone conclusion.

Oh, and Simmons threw around Ray Allen's name as a possible player on a bunch of different teams next year, not even considering that he'd come back to play for the Celtics.

He's also pretty much convinced Doc is leaving the Celtics this summer.

So basically...I have no idea how this guy can claim he's a Celtics fan.  He seems to love the Thunder a whole lot more.

What?

How does thinking that Ray and Doc won't be back indicate ANYTHING about whether you're a Celtics fan?

There have been reports that Ray expects the Celtics WON'T resign him for next year. And reports Doc may be considering leaving.

But don't let that stop you from your spin-doctoring.
 

Bill Simmons is that you?



And no Ray never said he didn't expect the c's to resign him , he said he knows he is not going to get paid anywhere close to what he makes this year and would have to take a paycut to resign with the c's

I could certainly do with upgrading to what I assume Simmons lifestyle to be. Alas, check my IP address. I'm in Toronto.

The report did quote sources (possibly anonymous ones) as saying Ray does not expect to be re-signed by Boston.

[PosImpos]

Just listened to the podcast... like everyone else who isn't crazy, he's got the Cavs winning the series.  Forget how many games.  Stein says he has the Cavs in 6.  They both agreed Miami is a crap team and we shouldn't read into us beating them.

Yeah, they both talked about a Magic / Cavs ECF as a foregone conclusion.

Oh, and Simmons threw around Ray Allen's name as a possible player on a bunch of different teams next year, not even considering that he'd come back to play for the Celtics.

He's also pretty much convinced Doc is leaving the Celtics this summer.

So basically...I have no idea how this guy can claim he's a Celtics fan.  He seems to love the Thunder a whole lot more.

What?

How does thinking that Ray and Doc won't be back indicate ANYTHING about whether you're a Celtics fan?

There have been reports that Ray expects the Celtics WON'T resign him for next year. And reports Doc may be considering leaving.

But don't let that stop you from your spin-doctoring.
 

Bill Simmons is that you?



And no Ray never said he didn't expect the c's to resign him , he said he knows he is not going to get paid anywhere close to what he makes this year and would have to take a paycut to resign with the c's

I could certainly do with upgrading to what I assume Simmons lifestyle to be. Alas, check my IP address. I'm in Toronto.

The report did quote sources (possibly anonymous ones) as saying Ray does not expect to be re-signed by Boston.

An unsubstantiated story that has since been repudiated.  But that's not really the point.  Whether it was a foregone conclusion that Ray is going to leave or not, what matters is the way Simmons approaches the subject, not the subject itself.  Simmons talks about Ray joining other teams as if it's something he's excited about, contemplating what he might do for other teams (including playing with LeBron in New York).  That's a pretty callous attitude to have about one of the players who brought us #18 and who's been nothing but a model member of the team since he got here.  

That's just an example, too.  Bill Simmons seems to love talking about bad things going on with the Celtics and almost never spends time talking about things that excite him about them (e.g. he didn't tweet a single time about Pierce's game winner or anything else that happened during the Miami series).  On the other hand, Simmons LOVES to gush about LeBron and Durant, and even frequently goes on about Kobe and the Lakers while half-heartedly claiming he "hates" them.

It's one thing to be a cynical New England fan, going off in frustration about bad things going on with one of our favorite teams - heck, I've played that role plenty around here - but when you talk about that stuff with a sort of smarmy, ironic glee, then I start to question how much you actually love the team you claim to love.

[FallGuy]

Just listened to the podcast... like everyone else who isn't crazy, he's got the Cavs winning the series.  Forget how many games.  Stein says he has the Cavs in 6.  They both agreed Miami is a crap team and we shouldn't read into us beating them.

Yeah, they both talked about a Magic / Cavs ECF as a foregone conclusion.

Oh, and Simmons threw around Ray Allen's name as a possible player on a bunch of different teams next year, not even considering that he'd come back to play for the Celtics.

He's also pretty much convinced Doc is leaving the Celtics this summer.

So basically...I have no idea how this guy can claim he's a Celtics fan.  He seems to love the Thunder a whole lot more.

What?

How does thinking that Ray and Doc won't be back indicate ANYTHING about whether you're a Celtics fan?

There have been reports that Ray expects the Celtics WON'T resign him for next year. And reports Doc may be considering leaving.

But don't let that stop you from your spin-doctoring.
 

Bill Simmons is that you?



And no Ray never said he didn't expect the c's to resign him , he said he knows he is not going to get paid anywhere close to what he makes this year and would have to take a paycut to resign with the c's

I could certainly do with upgrading to what I assume Simmons lifestyle to be. Alas, check my IP address. I'm in Toronto.

The report did quote sources (possibly anonymous ones) as saying Ray does not expect to be re-signed by Boston.

An unsubstantiated story that has since been repudiated.  But that's not really the point.  Whether it was a foregone conclusion that Ray is going to leave or not, what matters is the way Simmons approaches the subject, not the subject itself.  Simmons talks about Ray joining other teams as if it's something he's excited about, contemplating what he might do for other teams (including playing with LeBron in New York).  That's a pretty callous attitude to have about one of the players who brought us #18 and who's been nothing but a model member of the team since he got here.  

That's just an example, too.  Bill Simmons seems to love talking about bad things going on with the Celtics and almost never spends time talking about things that excite him about them (e.g. he didn't tweet a single time about Pierce's game winner or anything else that happened during the Miami series).  On the other hand, Simmons LOVES to gush about LeBron and Durant, and even frequently goes on about Kobe and the Lakers while half-heartedly claiming he "hates" them.

It's one thing to be a cynical New England fan, going off in frustration about bad things going on with one of our favorite teams - heck, I've played that role plenty around here - but when you talk about that stuff with a sort of smarmy, ironic glee, then I start to question how much you actually love the team you claim to love.

TP for your steadfastness man.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[rondohondo]

Just listened to the podcast... like everyone else who isn't crazy, he's got the Cavs winning the series.  Forget how many games.  Stein says he has the Cavs in 6.  They both agreed Miami is a crap team and we shouldn't read into us beating them.

Yeah, they both talked about a Magic / Cavs ECF as a foregone conclusion.

Oh, and Simmons threw around Ray Allen's name as a possible player on a bunch of different teams next year, not even considering that he'd come back to play for the Celtics.

He's also pretty much convinced Doc is leaving the Celtics this summer.

So basically...I have no idea how this guy can claim he's a Celtics fan.  He seems to love the Thunder a whole lot more.

What?

How does thinking that Ray and Doc won't be back indicate ANYTHING about whether you're a Celtics fan?

There have been reports that Ray expects the Celtics WON'T resign him for next year. And reports Doc may be considering leaving.

But don't let that stop you from your spin-doctoring.
 

Bill Simmons is that you?



And no Ray never said he didn't expect the c's to resign him , he said he knows he is not going to get paid anywhere close to what he makes this year and would have to take a paycut to resign with the c's

I could certainly do with upgrading to what I assume Simmons lifestyle to be. Alas, check my IP address. I'm in Toronto.

The report did quote sources (possibly anonymous ones) as saying Ray does not expect to be re-signed by Boston.

It would make very little to no sense for Ray to leave this offseason. A 35 year old SG isn't going to get huge offers from any team that has cap space and any contending team would at best only be able to offer him the full MLE.

Ray will resign with boston for 2 -3 yrs at 7-10 mil per so that his contract will expire along with KG

[PosImpos]

Just listened to the podcast... like everyone else who isn't crazy, he's got the Cavs winning the series.  Forget how many games.  Stein says he has the Cavs in 6.  They both agreed Miami is a crap team and we shouldn't read into us beating them.

Yeah, they both talked about a Magic / Cavs ECF as a foregone conclusion.

Oh, and Simmons threw around Ray Allen's name as a possible player on a bunch of different teams next year, not even considering that he'd come back to play for the Celtics.

He's also pretty much convinced Doc is leaving the Celtics this summer.

So basically...I have no idea how this guy can claim he's a Celtics fan.  He seems to love the Thunder a whole lot more.

What?

How does thinking that Ray and Doc won't be back indicate ANYTHING about whether you're a Celtics fan?

There have been reports that Ray expects the Celtics WON'T resign him for next year. And reports Doc may be considering leaving.

But don't let that stop you from your spin-doctoring.
 

Bill Simmons is that you?



And no Ray never said he didn't expect the c's to resign him , he said he knows he is not going to get paid anywhere close to what he makes this year and would have to take a paycut to resign with the c's

I could certainly do with upgrading to what I assume Simmons lifestyle to be. Alas, check my IP address. I'm in Toronto.

The report did quote sources (possibly anonymous ones) as saying Ray does not expect to be re-signed by Boston.

An unsubstantiated story that has since been repudiated.  But that's not really the point.  Whether it was a foregone conclusion that Ray is going to leave or not, what matters is the way Simmons approaches the subject, not the subject itself.  Simmons talks about Ray joining other teams as if it's something he's excited about, contemplating what he might do for other teams (including playing with LeBron in New York).  That's a pretty callous attitude to have about one of the players who brought us #18 and who's been nothing but a model member of the team since he got here.  

That's just an example, too.  Bill Simmons seems to love talking about bad things going on with the Celtics and almost never spends time talking about things that excite him about them (e.g. he didn't tweet a single time about Pierce's game winner or anything else that happened during the Miami series).  On the other hand, Simmons LOVES to gush about LeBron and Durant, and even frequently goes on about Kobe and the Lakers while half-heartedly claiming he "hates" them.

It's one thing to be a cynical New England fan, going off in frustration about bad things going on with one of our favorite teams - heck, I've played that role plenty around here - but when you talk about that stuff with a sort of smarmy, ironic glee, then I start to question how much you actually love the team you claim to love.

TP for your steadfastness man.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Fair enough. TP

[FallGuy]

Just listened to the podcast... like everyone else who isn't crazy, he's got the Cavs winning the series.  Forget how many games.  Stein says he has the Cavs in 6.  They both agreed Miami is a crap team and we shouldn't read into us beating them.

Yeah, they both talked about a Magic / Cavs ECF as a foregone conclusion.

Oh, and Simmons threw around Ray Allen's name as a possible player on a bunch of different teams next year, not even considering that he'd come back to play for the Celtics.

He's also pretty much convinced Doc is leaving the Celtics this summer.

So basically...I have no idea how this guy can claim he's a Celtics fan.  He seems to love the Thunder a whole lot more.

What?

How does thinking that Ray and Doc won't be back indicate ANYTHING about whether you're a Celtics fan?

There have been reports that Ray expects the Celtics WON'T resign him for next year. And reports Doc may be considering leaving.

But don't let that stop you from your spin-doctoring.
 

Bill Simmons is that you?



And no Ray never said he didn't expect the c's to resign him , he said he knows he is not going to get paid anywhere close to what he makes this year and would have to take a paycut to resign with the c's

I could certainly do with upgrading to what I assume Simmons lifestyle to be. Alas, check my IP address. I'm in Toronto.

The report did quote sources (possibly anonymous ones) as saying Ray does not expect to be re-signed by Boston.

It would make very little to no sense for Ray to leave this offseason. A 35 year old SG isn't going to get huge offers from any team that has cap space and any contending team would at best only be able to offer him the full MLE.

Ray will resign with boston for 2 -3 yrs at 7-10 mil per so that his contract will expire along with KG

That's not really my point. If Henry Abbott is right and Cleveland blows us out in four games (not likely, but let's say it happens), does Danny even WANT Ray back? I think that's the variable. Not what Ray wants.

[PosImpos]

Just listened to the podcast... like everyone else who isn't crazy, he's got the Cavs winning the series.  Forget how many games.  Stein says he has the Cavs in 6.  They both agreed Miami is a crap team and we shouldn't read into us beating them.

Yeah, they both talked about a Magic / Cavs ECF as a foregone conclusion.

Oh, and Simmons threw around Ray Allen's name as a possible player on a bunch of different teams next year, not even considering that he'd come back to play for the Celtics.

He's also pretty much convinced Doc is leaving the Celtics this summer.

So basically...I have no idea how this guy can claim he's a Celtics fan.  He seems to love the Thunder a whole lot more.

What?

How does thinking that Ray and Doc won't be back indicate ANYTHING about whether you're a Celtics fan?

There have been reports that Ray expects the Celtics WON'T resign him for next year. And reports Doc may be considering leaving.

But don't let that stop you from your spin-doctoring.
 

Bill Simmons is that you?



And no Ray never said he didn't expect the c's to resign him , he said he knows he is not going to get paid anywhere close to what he makes this year and would have to take a paycut to resign with the c's

I could certainly do with upgrading to what I assume Simmons lifestyle to be. Alas, check my IP address. I'm in Toronto.

The report did quote sources (possibly anonymous ones) as saying Ray does not expect to be re-signed by Boston.

It would make very little to no sense for Ray to leave this offseason. A 35 year old SG isn't going to get huge offers from any team that has cap space and any contending team would at best only be able to offer him the full MLE.

Ray will resign with boston for 2 -3 yrs at 7-10 mil per so that his contract will expire along with KG

That's not really my point. If Henry Abbott is right and Cleveland blows us out in four games (not likely, but let's say it happens), does Danny even WANT Ray back? I think that's the variable. Not what Ray wants.

Unless Ray enters an epic shooting slump vs the Cavs like he did 2 years ago in the 2nd round, I don't see the Celtics' overall performance against the Cavs being a big factor.

I mean, even losing in 5 or 6 games to the Cavs wouldn't be an epic collapse or something.  They're the number 1 overall seed and they have home court advantage.  

[FallGuy]

My fault. I didn't explain well enough. I meant that if the C's lose in round two (effectively closing our title window), do you really want to re-up a 35 year old shooting guard or do you want to look to S&T him, or let him walk to get started on the next championship? I'd choose the latter options, I think.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I'm surprised Bill Simmons didn't pick the Cavs in 3 b/c they have Lebron. And no, that isn't a typo lol.

[LooseCannon]

My fault. I didn't explain well enough. I meant that if the C's lose in round two (effectively closing our title window), do you really want to re-up a 35 year old shooting guard or do you want to look to S&T him, or let him walk to get started on the next championship? I'd choose the latter options, I think.

I think that letting him walk doesn't start the Celtics on the road to the next championship unless there are players with futures who gain minutes due to Ray not being there.  Tony Allen isn't a future All-Star shooting guard.  His role doesn't need to be expanded.

However, signing Ray Allen might have a chance of doing so.  If you give him a two-year deal, it creates a potential trade asset which the Celtics wouldn't have otherwise, given their cap situation.  It doesn't block them from signing a big free agent, unless you think Pierce and Perkins won't be here after next season.  

So, the best short-term and long-term plan for the Celtics is probably to try to sign Ray Allen to a contract large enough that he can be traded for a player of significant talent.  The only reason not to resign Ray is if the Celtics draft a shooting guard in the late first round and Ainge wants to tie Doc's hands and force him to play the rookie or if he plans to use the MLE to sign a replacement.

[More Banners]

My fault. I didn't explain well enough. I meant that if the C's lose in round two (effectively closing our title window), do you really want to re-up a 35 year old shooting guard or do you want to look to S&T him, or let him walk to get started on the next championship? I'd choose the latter options, I think.

I think that letting him walk doesn't start the Celtics on the road to the next championship unless there are players with futures who gain minutes due to Ray not being there.  Tony Allen isn't a future All-Star shooting guard.  His role doesn't need to be expanded.

However, signing Ray Allen might have a chance of doing so.  If you give him a two-year deal, it creates a potential trade asset which the Celtics wouldn't have otherwise, given their cap situation.  It doesn't block them from signing a big free agent, unless you think Pierce and Perkins won't be here after next season.  

So, the best short-term and long-term plan for the Celtics is probably to try to sign Ray Allen to a contract large enough that he can be traded for a player of significant talent.  The only reason not to resign Ray is if the Celtics draft a shooting guard in the late first round and Ainge wants to tie Doc's hands and force him to play the rookie or if he plans to use the MLE to sign a replacement.

I get it.  The thing is, unless we go into full rebuild mode and don't try to get a shot at the ring, Ray's probably a piece of having any shot at all next year.  Thank Danny wants no shot at all, even a long shot?  Me either. 

Ray stays, for whatever amount above MLE.  Even if the MLE gets used on a SG and we draft a wing, that more likely squeezes out TA from the 4-man wing rotation.

I don't think a S&T w/Ray is likely, since he would call the shots on where he wants to go, and I don't think there are that many places he wants to go that would also both want him AND have someone we wanted to bring back.

[Birdbrain]

Cavs in three. It's in the best interest of the C's to forfeit the fourth game. 

That's pretty funny. 

Boston didn't make it out the first round as he previously stated so Cleveland automatically advances to the ECF.

[PosImpos]

My fault. I didn't explain well enough. I meant that if the C's lose in round two (effectively closing our title window), do you really want to re-up a 35 year old shooting guard or do you want to look to S&T him, or let him walk to get started on the next championship? I'd choose the latter options, I think.

I think Danny would look to get him on contract for the next couple of years.  There won't be any better options for the kind of money we can pay him, and given that this season hasn't been an abject failure (since we at least made the second round) I'd say Danny isn't going to give up completely on the core we have, though I don't expect him to spend a ton of money to add complementary players, either.

[FallGuy]

My fault. I didn't explain well enough. I meant that if the C's lose in round two (effectively closing our title window), do you really want to re-up a 35 year old shooting guard or do you want to look to S&T him, or let him walk to get started on the next championship? I'd choose the latter options, I think.

I think Danny would look to get him on contract for the next couple of years.  There won't be any better options for the kind of money we can pay him, and given that this season hasn't been an abject failure (since we at least made the second round) I'd say Danny isn't going to give up completely on the core we have, though I don't expect him to spend a ton of money to add complementary players, either.

Yeah, you might be right. But a S&T for a younger asset wouldn't surprise me at all.