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Celtics offense versus Cavs...key to the series?
« on: April 28, 2010, 01:08:56 PM »

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OK, so first off let me say that I think the C's have a great chance at taking this series.  I think they match up pretty well against the Cavs, and if they execute their defense perfectly, they should be able to keep Lebron in check, and at the same not give his teammates an easy time.

With that said, I think the C's chances in this series lie with their offensive execution.  If the C's score, it allows them to set up their defense, and force the Lebrons into a halfcourt game...and that plays right into the C's strengths.  If the C's are turning the ball over, or giving up long rebounds off of bad shots, then it is going to lead to Lebron running free in the open court, which will end the series very quickly.

Unfortunately for the C's, the offense is not going to come as easily as it did against the Heat.  I think we have seen enough of this Cavs team over the last few years to get a good idea of how they like to play the Celtics, and where there defensive strengths and weaknesses are in general.

Here are my keys to this series, and what the C's really need to be looking at when gameplanning.  They already know what they need to do on defense.  It is basically the same schemes as the Heat.  But offensively, that's another story...

1. The #1 goal of the Cavs defense against the C's the last couple years has been pretty simple...do not let Ray Allen get his shots.  They have consistently put a man on an island with Ray, who never leaves him to help on the team defense.  Delonte West has done an excellent job of this in the past, and this year, they can also put Anthony Parker on him, who is bigger, and just as quick. 

The other part of this is that when the ball is at the top of the key, they play the passing lanes to take away the Ray's favorite spots.  They make it nearly impossible for Rondo to make the pass into the corner, and they help off the curls to make Ray basically come all the way to the ball, and never catch it ready to shoot.

This is going to be tough for the C's to break.  There are only two ways to really break it.  First, is pushing the ball, and not allow the defense to get set.  If the defense is not set, it may allow Ray to get free.  The other way is to force the Cavs to respect the big men, to the point that they no longer can afford to put Ray's man on the island (more on this in a minute).

2. None of the PGs can stay with Rondo one on one.  Whether it is Mo Williams, Delonte, or Gibson, they simply cannot stay in front of him.  However, they have shown that if they play off him with a longer defender, Rondo has a lot of trouble finding ways to be effective.

3. Shaq and Z cannot protect the rim.  When they are in there, the C's need to attack this relentlessly.

4. Varajao is one of the best at protecting the rim in the league.  This is where things get sticky.  If they have Varajao in, and put a longer defender on Rondo, who plays off him, it makes things very difficult for the C's. 

This is basically what happened in the huge blown lead for the C's earlier this season.  Rondo destroyed Mo Williams and Shaq in the first half, but then when Baby knocked Shaq out of the game, they extended Andy's minutes, and realized that putting Lebron on Rondo was the way to go.

What this does is it almost completely takes away Rondo's drives, since Andy is protecting the hoop, and Lebron basically plays a zone.  He continues to play off Rondo, even if he drives, and instead sits in the passing lanes, not allowing him to kick the ball out, knowing that Andy has the basket covered, and Rondo is going to have to put up an insane shot to get it past him.  And since Andy is so quick, if Rondo is able to sneak a pass through to the C's big man, he can recover before they can get a layup up, and Lebron is already rotating up to the second big man at the foul line. 

So this changes the game for the C's.  The C's struggled against the Cavs at times this year, because they didn't adjust to this.  And making those adjustments is going to be crucial.  They need to find ways to open up the offense when this happens.  The easiest way is through transition, but you can't count on that.  This is where Doc is going to earn his money, and also where Rondo is going to prove that he cannot be gameplanned away.


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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2010, 01:27:44 PM »

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The key (for both teams) is to get more rebounds, stay hotter from the outside, and attack the basket as much as possible.

Ray Allen need to be on the floor as much as possible to keep the spacing open. If he is out Finley needs to be in.

As much as I like how Tony Allen has played lately, the C's can't afford to let Cleveland zone up, leaving TA and Rondo to brick jump shots.

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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2010, 01:33:45 PM »

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Ray Allen need to be on the floor as much as possible to keep the spacing open. If he is out Finley needs to be in.

As much as I like how Tony Allen has played lately, the C's can't afford to let Cleveland zone up, leaving TA and Rondo to brick jump shots.

I agree.  That was the other problem when the C's had that huge drought at home.  They did not have the shooters to space the floor (Pierce was injured).  They clogged the paint, took away Ray, and Rondo, Tony, and Daniels played hot potato.  It should definitely make a big difference to have Pierce and Finley as other options to stretch the floor.

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2010, 01:39:42 PM »

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Just to reiterate your point... I just said this in another thread.
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It will be interesting if the Cavs stick to their gameplan from 2 years ago.  They completely took Ray Allen out of the series... sent double teams at him, made sure he was never open and constantly ran him away from the 3 point line.  

Game 1:  0-4 = 0 points
Game 2:  4-14 = 16 points
Game 3: 4-12 = 10 points
Game 4: 4-10 = 15 points
Game 5: 4-11 = 11 points
Game 6: 3-8 = 9 points
Game 7: 1-6 = 6 points

He finished the series 4 for 24 from three.   Everyone assumed he was washed up.  They just played him tight.  
So yeah... if the Celtics can find a way to combat that and get Ray some open looks... that will help.  If he drops 20 in game 1, we might be heading in the right direction.

In 4 games vs Cleveland this year Ray has averaged 22.5 points on 48% shooting (57% from three).   I don't know if that's encouraging or not, because I don't know if the Cavs have had the same focus on eliminating him during the regular season.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 01:40:33 PM »

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Well the Cavs no longer have Wally, so they're screwed against Ray Allen.

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2010, 01:53:22 PM »

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Great analysis Chris!

I wonder how the Celtics will attack the Cavs defense myself and I keep coming back to the same glaring mismatch we have against them...Kevin Garnett.

Along with Pierce who needs to continue to be solid, we need KG to go after their PF's aggressively. Jamison cant defend a lightpost and Varejou, while an elite help defender, isnt the best man defender unless you count flopping as post defense.


I look for KG to at least be aggressive and draw double teams. He does not necessarily have to score 25 ppg, but he needs to be engaged on his 2nd favorite end of the floor.

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2010, 02:10:51 PM »

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Great analysis Chris!

I wonder how the Celtics will attack the Cavs defense myself and I keep coming back to the same glaring mismatch we have against them...Kevin Garnett.

Along with Pierce who needs to continue to be solid, we need KG to go after their PF's aggressively. Jamison cant defend a lightpost and Varejou, while an elite help defender, isnt the best man defender unless you count flopping as post defense.


I look for KG to at least be aggressive and draw double teams. He does not necessarily have to score 25 ppg, but he needs to be engaged on his 2nd favorite end of the floor.

You're thinking like me. Let's give KG the ball often in the low post early in the game and go from there.

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2010, 02:15:49 PM »

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ray allen
rondo to dominate his posistion
keep varajo off the boards, his movement usually hurts us bad
rebounds, if this means playing sheldon then so be it
paul to nearly match lebron
in that order imo

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2010, 02:21:00 PM »

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Pierce and Allen will have to play big minutes to get in a rhythm since they will be a focal pont for Cleveland, but to me the key is our bigs not getting out worked on the boards at either end.  

If Rondo does his thing and our bigs outwork their bigs, I think we are in any of these games regardless of what James is doing.

TP to Chris by the way. Spot on.

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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2010, 02:26:35 PM »

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Jamison doesn't defend/show off the ball screens as well as Cleveland's big men have in the past and Anthony Parker is inconsistent and sometimes struggles with his defensive positioning off the ball (particularly on pick and rolls) although Parker has been getting better at this as the season has gone on.

Ray Allen will get better looks against the Cavs than he has in the past when these two are in the game.

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 03:20:45 PM »

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Great analysis Chris!

I wonder how the Celtics will attack the Cavs defense myself and I keep coming back to the same glaring mismatch we have against them...Kevin Garnett.

Along with Pierce who needs to continue to be solid, we need KG to go after their PF's aggressively. Jamison cant defend a lightpost and Varejou, while an elite help defender, isnt the best man defender unless you count flopping as post defense.


I look for KG to at least be aggressive and draw double teams. He does not necessarily have to score 25 ppg, but he needs to be engaged on his 2nd favorite end of the floor.

You're thinking like me. Let's give KG the ball often in the low post early in the game and go from there.

Here is my problem with this.  If they give KG the ball in the post, Perk's man is going to double him.  This will force KG to make the (correct) pass to the wide open Perk.  Unfortunately, Perk was finishing plays like that at about a 20% success rate (yes, I made up that number, but I don't think its far off) against the Heat, who have significantly worse interior defense than the Cavs.

This is why I think Perk could really swing this series.  Not with his defense, but whether he gets his head out of his butt on offense.  We all know he is not a great offensive player, but lately he has regressed to the point where he is a MAJOR liability.  He needs to fix that, and become a null offensive player (as in, not helping, but also not hurting), or else he is going to make it way too easy for the Cavs to defend us, which leads to fast breaks, which leads to Cav blowouts.

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2010, 03:58:17 PM »

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Great analysis Chris!

I wonder how the Celtics will attack the Cavs defense myself and I keep coming back to the same glaring mismatch we have against them...Kevin Garnett.

Along with Pierce who needs to continue to be solid, we need KG to go after their PF's aggressively. Jamison cant defend a lightpost and Varejou, while an elite help defender, isnt the best man defender unless you count flopping as post defense.


I look for KG to at least be aggressive and draw double teams. He does not necessarily have to score 25 ppg, but he needs to be engaged on his 2nd favorite end of the floor.

You're thinking like me. Let's give KG the ball often in the low post early in the game and go from there.

Here is my problem with this.  If they give KG the ball in the post, Perk's man is going to double him.  This will force KG to make the (correct) pass to the wide open Perk.  Unfortunately, Perk was finishing plays like that at about a 20% success rate (yes, I made up that number, but I don't think its far off) against the Heat, who have significantly worse interior defense than the Cavs.

This is why I think Perk could really swing this series.  Not with his defense, but whether he gets his head out of his butt on offense.  We all know he is not a great offensive player, but lately he has regressed to the point where he is a MAJOR liability.  He needs to fix that, and become a null offensive player (as in, not helping, but also not hurting), or else he is going to make it way too easy for the Cavs to defend us, which leads to fast breaks, which leads to Cav blowouts.

this, unfortunately, is where Sheed comes in. He needs to bring it this series, even if he has nothing left for the next round.

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2010, 04:06:06 PM »

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Great analysis Chris!

I wonder how the Celtics will attack the Cavs defense myself and I keep coming back to the same glaring mismatch we have against them...Kevin Garnett.

Along with Pierce who needs to continue to be solid, we need KG to go after their PF's aggressively. Jamison cant defend a lightpost and Varejou, while an elite help defender, isnt the best man defender unless you count flopping as post defense.


I look for KG to at least be aggressive and draw double teams. He does not necessarily have to score 25 ppg, but he needs to be engaged on his 2nd favorite end of the floor.

You're thinking like me. Let's give KG the ball often in the low post early in the game and go from there.

Here is my problem with this.  If they give KG the ball in the post, Perk's man is going to double him.  This will force KG to make the (correct) pass to the wide open Perk.  Unfortunately, Perk was finishing plays like that at about a 20% success rate (yes, I made up that number, but I don't think its far off) against the Heat, who have significantly worse interior defense than the Cavs.

This is why I think Perk could really swing this series.  Not with his defense, but whether he gets his head out of his butt on offense.  We all know he is not a great offensive player, but lately he has regressed to the point where he is a MAJOR liability.  He needs to fix that, and become a null offensive player (as in, not helping, but also not hurting), or else he is going to make it way too easy for the Cavs to defend us, which leads to fast breaks, which leads to Cav blowouts.

this, unfortunately, is where Sheed comes in. He needs to bring it this series, even if he has nothing left for the next round.

Yes, he has the ability to be a major X factor.  If Perk does not pick up his game, Sheed gives them the ability to still check Shaq down low, but give them something on offense. 

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2010, 04:41:51 PM »

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Great analysis Chris!

I wonder how the Celtics will attack the Cavs defense myself and I keep coming back to the same glaring mismatch we have against them...Kevin Garnett.

Along with Pierce who needs to continue to be solid, we need KG to go after their PF's aggressively. Jamison cant defend a lightpost and Varejou, while an elite help defender, isnt the best man defender unless you count flopping as post defense.


I look for KG to at least be aggressive and draw double teams. He does not necessarily have to score 25 ppg, but he needs to be engaged on his 2nd favorite end of the floor.

You're thinking like me. Let's give KG the ball often in the low post early in the game and go from there.

Here is my problem with this.  If they give KG the ball in the post, Perk's man is going to double him.  This will force KG to make the (correct) pass to the wide open Perk.  Unfortunately, Perk was finishing plays like that at about a 20% success rate (yes, I made up that number, but I don't think its far off) against the Heat, who have significantly worse interior defense than the Cavs.

This is why I think Perk could really swing this series.  Not with his defense, but whether he gets his head out of his butt on offense.  We all know he is not a great offensive player, but lately he has regressed to the point where he is a MAJOR liability.  He needs to fix that, and become a null offensive player (as in, not helping, but also not hurting), or else he is going to make it way too easy for the Cavs to defend us, which leads to fast breaks, which leads to Cav blowouts.

this, unfortunately, is where Sheed comes in. He needs to bring it this series, even if he has nothing left for the next round.

I agree with both Chris and Hptanzo. I have more faith in Perk to finish around the basket than I do Sheed though. I think one of them will step up offensively regardless. Perk showed me in the last series that he can even make a nice weakside pass when guys were rotating over to him. I see no negatives out of KG going to the post against the Cavs.

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As much as I like how Tony Allen has played lately, the C's can't afford to let Cleveland zone up, leaving TA and Rondo to brick jump shots.

That's a good point, Mr October.

I'd like to add that it sure would be nice if Nate Robinson would dust off his game, and realize that he can still fill it up.

Chris correctly points out how the Cav's defense hinges on how they defend Rondo (or don't defend Rondo..)  If Nate can come off the bench and make plays, this will force them to switch gears on the fly and allow us to dicate the flow of the game.

Just having Nate Robinson on the floor should force their defenders to respect his outside shot, and with the ball he still should be able to exploit the likes of Mo, Booby, and (maybe) West with his dribble.   

The matchups seem to at least warrant him getting a shot.  Questionable where his confidence is right now; but he did drop 40 after a month off for NY, so I'm going to hold out hope   :D