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Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2010, 12:12:36 PM »

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Totally disagree, Budweiser. You cannot be watching the games!!
And Mr. October, sir, I'm happy with Doc, now. Always loved him as our coach-didn't mean to imply otherwise. But this regular season there was no chemistry to speak of and that seems to have changed now.

Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2010, 01:44:43 PM »

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Totally disagree, Budweiser. You cannot be watching the games!!

Busted. And if I may inquire, what exactly do you disagree with? That Davis hasn't been largely responsible for many of our offensive woes in the playoffs? In particular that first quarter last game and in the first half of the first game? Or do you disagree with my assessment that Davis isn't moving the ball... quite curious.

Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2010, 01:50:12 PM »

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His one major blemish was sitting House a little too long in 2008.

I've been a Doc supporter since day one, and continue to be. Go Doc! Go Celtics!!

Yeah I hated that move.  One of the reasons they struggled against Atlanta only he didn't realize why until later in the playoffs.
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Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2010, 01:54:34 PM »

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His one major blemish was sitting House a little too long in 2008.

I've been a Doc supporter since day one, and continue to be. Go Doc! Go Celtics!!

Yeah I hated that move.  One of the reasons they struggled against Atlanta only he didn't realize why until later in the playoffs.

I think our biggest problem against Atlanta was the under performance of Baby and Power, particularly rebounding wise in those away games. But yeah, I had no problem with Cassell getting the nod before House, but I think he stayed with him too long even when it wasn't working.

Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2010, 01:58:05 PM »

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Totally disagree, Budweiser. You cannot be watching the games!!
And Mr. October, sir, I'm happy with Doc, now. Always loved him as our coach-didn't mean to imply otherwise. But this regular season there was no chemistry to speak of and that seems to have changed now.

Yeah, this year was the first time I was starting to think the Doc ride was coming to an end - as the team was in such a long funk. But there are very few coaches out there that I would take over Doc for this particular team. Most of the good ones are signed on with other teams anyway. I certainly don't think this team would respond well to rookie or college coach. Maybe, just maybe Jeff Van Gundy would work for a year or two.

In the meantime, here's to good health, the playoffs finally arriving, and hopefully another nice run! Go Celtics!!


Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2010, 01:59:42 PM »

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Wow...

FYI Sheed will more than likely never be playing alongside Perkins.   I don't see how anyone could think differently.   Haven't you been beaten over the head enough with Sheed not being about to move to understand it?

I suggest getting used to Doc doing things that work out but, that might not be the best idea to some 'fans'.

 

That's just once side of the coin. The amount of damage Davis has been inflicting on our offense was not outweighting his positives in the defense, which weren't much at all.

In particular Baby was for the most part the one responsible for letting the Heat get back in the game in the 1st quarter after we came out with a great start.

And I don't mind Perkins and Sheed playing together much, particularly at the start of the game, Perkins is dang good pick and roll defender, and both of them protect the basket fairly well. Davis' advantage is with his speed, but with tall and mobile PF's, he can be taken advantage off. Thankfully, Beasley isn't playing to his capabilities.

In all, if the ball movement had been as it should, we would've had a great lead in the 1st quarter and the rest would've been history. The proof is in the 3rd quarter when finally the ball movement was as it should.

I would have zero problem with Baby if he would just pass the freaking ball, but there are still too many stretches where he dominates the ball unnecessarily, and it hurts the team greatly.

He could pass out of the post a bit more from time to time but, you blowing it of proportion IMO.  Too each his own though.  It certainly didn't hurt them greatly since they won by 30 and he was the main reason...
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Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2010, 02:00:50 PM »

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His one major blemish was sitting House a little too long in 2008.

I've been a Doc supporter since day one, and continue to be. Go Doc! Go Celtics!!

Yeah I hated that move.  One of the reasons they struggled against Atlanta only he didn't realize why until later in the playoffs.

I think our biggest problem against Atlanta was the under performance of Baby and Power, particularly rebounding wise in those away games. But yeah, I had no problem with Cassell getting the nod before House, but I think he stayed with him too long even when it wasn't working.

Just another thing we disagree with then. I wouldn't have ever even picked up Cassell.
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Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2010, 02:09:00 PM »

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Wow...

FYI Sheed will more than likely never be playing alongside Perkins.   I don't see how anyone could think differently.   Haven't you been beaten over the head enough with Sheed not being about to move to understand it?

I suggest getting used to Doc doing things that work out but, that might not be the best idea to some 'fans'.

  

That's just once side of the coin. The amount of damage Davis has been inflicting on our offense was not outweighting his positives in the defense, which weren't much at all.

In particular Baby was for the most part the one responsible for letting the Heat get back in the game in the 1st quarter after we came out with a great start.

And I don't mind Perkins and Sheed playing together much, particularly at the start of the game, Perkins is dang good pick and roll defender, and both of them protect the basket fairly well. Davis' advantage is with his speed, but with tall and mobile PF's, he can be taken advantage off. Thankfully, Beasley isn't playing to his capabilities.

In all, if the ball movement had been as it should, we would've had a great lead in the 1st quarter and the rest would've been history. The proof is in the 3rd quarter when finally the ball movement was as it should.

I would have zero problem with Baby if he would just pass the freaking ball, but there are still too many stretches where he dominates the ball unnecessarily, and it hurts the team greatly.

He could pass the pass out of the post a bit more from time to time but, you blowing it of proportion IMO.  Too each his own though.  It certainly doesn't hurt them greatly since they won by 30 and he was the main reason why...

Well, he had a great game. That's the key, game, because he's fully capable of doing good out there, particularly when he plays within himself, which this year hasn't been often. And he wasn't the main reason why. The main reason why was the team finally finding Ray Allen who was open the whole game, and Rajon Rondo's disruptive defense in the perimeter, one of his best defended games in my opinion. But surely, overall, Davis had a big impact in it.

His 1st quarter was a disaster, luckily for us he turned it around. Coming to the game, it was my concern for this type of play that I didn't like the decision of him starting, because when he's doing that, our offense is a disaster... our ball movement stops, Ray and Pierce stop touching the ball, and more importantly they fall out of rhythm.

In the 2nd half he did a much better job finding his spots and not forcing stuff, and moving the ball.

But the inconsistency is still there, and when he's off it really really hurts us because of the amount of touches he's getting.

Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2010, 03:18:44 PM »

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Wow...

FYI Sheed will more than likely never be playing alongside Perkins.   I don't see how anyone could think differently.   Haven't you been beaten over the head enough with Sheed not being about to move to understand it?

I suggest getting used to Doc doing things that work out but, that might not be the best idea to some 'fans'.

 

That's just once side of the coin. The amount of damage Davis has been inflicting on our offense was not outweighting his positives in the defense, which weren't much at all.

In particular Baby was for the most part the one responsible for letting the Heat get back in the game in the 1st quarter after we came out with a great start.

And I don't mind Perkins and Sheed playing together much, particularly at the start of the game, Perkins is dang good pick and roll defender, and both of them protect the basket fairly well. Davis' advantage is with his speed, but with tall and mobile PF's, he can be taken advantage off. Thankfully, Beasley isn't playing to his capabilities.

In all, if the ball movement had been as it should, we would've had a great lead in the 1st quarter and the rest would've been history. The proof is in the 3rd quarter when finally the ball movement was as it should.

I would have zero problem with Baby if he would just pass the freaking ball, but there are still too many stretches where he dominates the ball unnecessarily, and it hurts the team greatly.

He could pass the pass out of the post a bit more from time to time but, you blowing it of proportion IMO.  Too each his own though.  It certainly doesn't hurt them greatly since they won by 30 and he was the main reason why...

Well, he had a great game. That's the key, game, because he's fully capable of doing good out there, particularly when he plays within himself, which this year hasn't been often. And he wasn't the main reason why. The main reason why was the team finally finding Ray Allen who was open the whole game, and Rajon Rondo's disruptive defense in the perimeter, one of his best defended games in my opinion. But surely, overall, Davis had a big impact in it.

His 1st quarter was a disaster, luckily for us he turned it around. Coming to the game, it was my concern for this type of play that I didn't like the decision of him starting, because when he's doing that, our offense is a disaster... our ball movement stops, Ray and Pierce stop touching the ball, and more importantly they fall out of rhythm.

In the 2nd half he did a much better job finding his spots and not forcing stuff, and moving the ball.

But the inconsistency is still there, and when he's off it really really hurts us because of the amount of touches he's getting.

He was most certainly the reason why. 

At end of the first quarter he had 6/4 (3 defensive(not blocked)).  Hardly a disaster.  But I believe he did have some shots blocked so if you are in the 'blocked shots are worse than missed shots' crew then I guess I can see your point.

I suggest not listening to the announcers during the game.

Him getting touches leads to the other team getting in foul trouble.
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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2010, 03:23:17 PM »

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Busted, Budwieser? I don't think so.  ???
I am not going to keep arguing with your hyperbolic discussion of BBD being a 'disaster' for the team. It's beyond ridiculousness. But hey, you are entitled to your opinion.

Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2010, 03:27:12 PM »

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Busted, Budwieser? I don't think so.  ???
I am not going to keep arguing with your hyperbolic discussion of BBD being a 'disaster' for the team. It's beyond ridiculousness. But hey, you are entitled to your opinion.

I'm going to take a wild guess, and say that you aren't actually reading what I'm saying.

Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2010, 03:32:41 PM »

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Wow...

FYI Sheed will more than likely never be playing alongside Perkins.   I don't see how anyone could think differently.   Haven't you been beaten over the head enough with Sheed not being about to move to understand it?

I suggest getting used to Doc doing things that work out but, that might not be the best idea to some 'fans'.

 

That's just once side of the coin. The amount of damage Davis has been inflicting on our offense was not outweighting his positives in the defense, which weren't much at all.

In particular Baby was for the most part the one responsible for letting the Heat get back in the game in the 1st quarter after we came out with a great start.

And I don't mind Perkins and Sheed playing together much, particularly at the start of the game, Perkins is dang good pick and roll defender, and both of them protect the basket fairly well. Davis' advantage is with his speed, but with tall and mobile PF's, he can be taken advantage off. Thankfully, Beasley isn't playing to his capabilities.

In all, if the ball movement had been as it should, we would've had a great lead in the 1st quarter and the rest would've been history. The proof is in the 3rd quarter when finally the ball movement was as it should.

I would have zero problem with Baby if he would just pass the freaking ball, but there are still too many stretches where he dominates the ball unnecessarily, and it hurts the team greatly.

He could pass the pass out of the post a bit more from time to time but, you blowing it of proportion IMO.  Too each his own though.  It certainly doesn't hurt them greatly since they won by 30 and he was the main reason why...

Well, he had a great game. That's the key, game, because he's fully capable of doing good out there, particularly when he plays within himself, which this year hasn't been often. And he wasn't the main reason why. The main reason why was the team finally finding Ray Allen who was open the whole game, and Rajon Rondo's disruptive defense in the perimeter, one of his best defended games in my opinion. But surely, overall, Davis had a big impact in it.

His 1st quarter was a disaster, luckily for us he turned it around. Coming to the game, it was my concern for this type of play that I didn't like the decision of him starting, because when he's doing that, our offense is a disaster... our ball movement stops, Ray and Pierce stop touching the ball, and more importantly they fall out of rhythm.

In the 2nd half he did a much better job finding his spots and not forcing stuff, and moving the ball.

But the inconsistency is still there, and when he's off it really really hurts us because of the amount of touches he's getting.

He was most certainly the reason why. 

At end of the first quarter he had 6/4 (3 defensive(not blocked)).  Hardly a disaster.  But I believe he did have some shots blocked so if you are in the 'blocked shots are worse than missed shots' crew then I guess I can see your point.

I suggest not listening to the announcers during the game.

Him getting touches leads to the other team getting in foul trouble.

I don't care about his shots getting blocked, I've said as much in other threads. What I care about is when he touches the ball and immediately goes to try to get a shot for himself, instead of moving the ball, and as an extension bad shot selection.

It's the same crap Perk has been pulling this year, and the same crap Powe was pulling last year, and I complained about it then.


Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2010, 04:49:48 PM »

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TP4U Meadowlark!! So few here will come forward and give credit to someone that they "bash" or just don't like. Those that do should always be rewarded!!

And following that along, I say I have been completely wrong regarding what Tony Allen would bring to this team this year. I still hate his game, but he's been able to accentuate his good points and de-emphasize his weaker points this year to the tune of a much more effective bench player. One I never thought he could become for this team.



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Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2010, 04:50:57 PM »

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Nice Post, Meadowlark and congrats on your 100+ TPs!

Doc does seem to be steadying up on his coaching this post season. This is a good thing.

Right back at ya GF...TP for you, thanks..!!!

Re: Doc's Credit...!!!
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2010, 10:55:15 PM »

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Doc pulling all the right moves. Leaned on the starters a lot this game knowing the importance of the game. Kudos to Doc.