gotta love TA

[EJPLAYA]

So your saying TA is a lousy person?

Yes. That is what I am saying. Anyone who brings his crew who is armed looking for someone to attack, kicks them while they are laying down on the ground defenseless, and then lies about it to everyone else claiming he's innocent is a lousy person. That's a pretty easy assessment.

[GreenFaith1819]

So your saying TA is a lousy person?

Yes. That is what I am saying. Anyone who brings his crew who is armed looking for someone to attack, kicks them while they are laying down on the ground defenseless, and then lies about it to everyone else claiming he's innocent is a lousy person. That's a pretty easy assessment.

Wow! When did this happen?

[EJPLAYA]

So your saying TA is a lousy person?

Yes. That is what I am saying. Anyone who brings his crew who is armed looking for someone to attack, kicks them while they are laying down on the ground defenseless, and then lies about it to everyone else claiming he's innocent is a lousy person. That's a pretty easy assessment.

Wow! When did this happen?

2005 in Chicago.

[SalmonAndMashedPotatoes]

So your saying TA is a lousy person?

Yes. That is what I am saying. Anyone who brings his crew who is armed looking for someone to attack, kicks them while they are laying down on the ground defenseless, and then lies about it to everyone else claiming he's innocent is a lousy person. That's a pretty easy assessment.

Well, your 'assessment' is tainted by one thing: it didn't happen that way. 

Tony was out with a group of friends, celebrating the NBA contract of Will Bynum.  It got late, things got roudy, a dispute arose, and then a fight broke out.  Somebody got shot in the process.  Tony was not convicted of any wrongdoing because in America you can't be guilty by association. 

[EJPLAYA]

So your saying TA is a lousy person?

Yes. That is what I am saying. Anyone who brings his crew who is armed looking for someone to attack, kicks them while they are laying down on the ground defenseless, and then lies about it to everyone else claiming he's innocent is a lousy person. That's a pretty easy assessment.

Well, your 'assessment' is tainted by one thing: it didn't happen that way. 

Tony was out with a group of friends, celebrating the NBA contract of Will Bynum.  It got late, things got roudy, a dispute arose, and then a fight broke out.  Somebody got shot in the process.  Tony was not convicted of any wrongdoing because in America you can't be guilty by association. 

TA is on tape pointing the guy out to his guys, punching the guy, and kicking him when he was down. THAT is a fact. Just because you aren't convicted of something doesn't mean you aren't guilty of it… Big Ben didn't do anything wrong either...

[guava_wrench]

We should avoid talking about players as people in general. We often have no idea. Some are just media savvy but have no character. Some are nice guys who make dumb decisions when out with friends.

If we look at his press clippings, it is very hard to not think that TA is on the bad end of the NBA personal character scale. At the same time, he seems coachable and able to interact with teammates.

[guava_wrench]

So your saying TA is a lousy person?

Yes. That is what I am saying. Anyone who brings his crew who is armed looking for someone to attack, kicks them while they are laying down on the ground defenseless, and then lies about it to everyone else claiming he's innocent is a lousy person. That's a pretty easy assessment.

Well, your 'assessment' is tainted by one thing: it didn't happen that way. 

Tony was out with a group of friends, celebrating the NBA contract of Will Bynum.  It got late, things got roudy, a dispute arose, and then a fight broke out.  Somebody got shot in the process.  Tony was not convicted of any wrongdoing because in America you can't be guilty by association. 

Not when you can hire an expensive lawyer...

[Birdbrain]

We should avoid talking about players as people in general. We often have no idea. Some are just media savvy but have no character. Some are nice guys who make dumb decisions when out with friends.

If we look at his press clippings, it is very hard to not think that TA is on the bad end of the NBA personal character scale. At the same time, he seems coachable and able to interact with teammates.

You and EJPLAYA made some great points today.  Paul's stabbing incident in 2001 was gang related and of course he was still part of that gang in 2008 when he was making those gang signs during the ATL series.

[EJPLAYA]

We should avoid talking about players as people in general. We often have no idea. Some are just media savvy but have no character. Some are nice guys who make dumb decisions when out with friends.

If we look at his press clippings, it is very hard to not think that TA is on the bad end of the NBA personal character scale. At the same time, he seems coachable and able to interact with teammates.

You and EJPLAYA made some great points today.  Paul's stabbing incident in 2001 was gang related and of course he was still part of that gang in 2008 when he was making those gang signs during the ATL series.

Don't put words in my mouth. Just because you can't dispute the facts involved with TA's being on tape doing these things doesn't mean you can make something up out of the blue and have it change reality. TA doesn't have to be a good guy for him to be a good player on this team. There are lots of thugs that are in the NBA. Lots of guys who didn't do the things they should have and were lousy people. Unless a guy raped or murdered someone I can understand young athletes make stupid decisions at times. I won't pretend however he is a good guy and a class act though. What does that serve?!

[j804]

We should avoid talking about players as people in general. We often have no idea. Some are just media savvy but have no character. Some are nice guys who make dumb decisions when out with friends.

If we look at his press clippings, it is very hard to not think that TA is on the bad end of the NBA personal character scale. At the same time, he seems coachable and able to interact with teammates.

You and EJPLAYA made some great points today.  Paul's stabbing incident in 2001 was gang related and of course he was still part of that gang in 2008 when he was making those gang signs during the ATL series.

Don't put words in my mouth. Just because you can't dispute the facts involved with TA's being on tape doing these things doesn't mean you can make something up out of the blue and have it change reality. TA doesn't have to be a good guy for him to be a good player on this team. There are lots of thugs that are in the NBA. Lots of guys who didn't do the things they should have and were lousy people. Unless a guy raped or murdered someone I can understand young athletes make stupid decisions at times. I won't pretend however he is a good guy and a class act though. What does that serve?!

Oh well people make mistakes no ones perfect doesnt mean he's lousy person could have change for the better, beside youre speaking like fact as if you were there everythings speculation. You dont know what was said the night who did what to who prior or up until the incident. Yawn.

[Birdbrain]

We should avoid talking about players as people in general. We often have no idea. Some are just media savvy but have no character. Some are nice guys who make dumb decisions when out with friends.

If we look at his press clippings, it is very hard to not think that TA is on the bad end of the NBA personal character scale. At the same time, he seems coachable and able to interact with teammates.

You and EJPLAYA made some great points today.  Paul's stabbing incident in 2001 was gang related and of course he was still part of that gang in 2008 when he was making those gang signs during the ATL series.

Don't put words in my mouth. Just because you can't dispute the facts involved with TA's being on tape doing these things doesn't mean you can make something up out of the blue and have it change reality. TA doesn't have to be a good guy for him to be a good player on this team. There are lots of thugs that are in the NBA. Lots of guys who didn't do the things they should have and were lousy people. Unless a guy raped or murdered someone I can understand young athletes make stupid decisions at times. I won't pretend however he is a good guy and a class act though. What does that serve?!

That's good I don't pretend to know them well enough to make decisions about their character.  Especially guys that have literally bled, sweat and cried for my favorite team.  I would feel a tad hypocritical if I did.

[Greenbean]

I reserve judgement on most athlete's character unless there are patterns or trewnds that are obvious.

With Tony, I think there was only that one incident. That tape you are talking about...are you saying we can infer that Tony pointed out the victim and essentially said, go shoot him? TA like alot of athletes came from a poor neighborhood. He really should distance himself from these people but it doesnt mean he is a bad guy. But I really dont know either way.

I do know this, I live in RI and two good friends of mine pointed Tony Allen to the highway one night at a red light in Providence. Tony was so grateful he came to a local dive bar we were at and hung out for like an hour. Unfortunately I had already gone home. For one simple act,Tony gave my friend 2 tickets to a Cavs game this year. To me he seems like a genuine nice person. Not a street thug or a killer. But even from that story I wouldnt make a judgement.

We really dont know any of these people no matter how intrusive the media becomes.

[EJPLAYA]

We should avoid talking about players as people in general. We often have no idea. Some are just media savvy but have no character. Some are nice guys who make dumb decisions when out with friends.

If we look at his press clippings, it is very hard to not think that TA is on the bad end of the NBA personal character scale. At the same time, he seems coachable and able to interact with teammates.

You and EJPLAYA made some great points today.  Paul's stabbing incident in 2001 was gang related and of course he was still part of that gang in 2008 when he was making those gang signs during the ATL series.

Don't put words in my mouth. Just because you can't dispute the facts involved with TA's being on tape doing these things doesn't mean you can make something up out of the blue and have it change reality. TA doesn't have to be a good guy for him to be a good player on this team. There are lots of thugs that are in the NBA. Lots of guys who didn't do the things they should have and were lousy people. Unless a guy raped or murdered someone I can understand young athletes make stupid decisions at times. I won't pretend however he is a good guy and a class act though. What does that serve?!

That's good I don't pretend to know them well enough to make decisions about their character.  Especially guys that have literally bled, sweat and cried for my favorite team.  I would feel tad hypocritical if I did.

So if someone plays hard for the Celtics then they get a free pass on anything they do in their life?! You don't have to know someone WELL to determine that jumping a guy with your buddies and beating him down,  and then kicking him while laying on the ground is not the conduct of a person with good character. If this was just a rumor of what happened I wouldn't worry too much. This was on tape! It is a fact. We don't need to know him personally to judge that. Why would you defend someone who acted this way?! If you or I did this we'd be in jail, and deservedly so.

[celts55]

I'll keep my comments to Tony the player, since I really don't know him off the court.
That being said, I think he had a great game. Truth be told, I always thought his defense was over rated. He tended to leave the floor to much and drew dumb fouls, but not the other night. He stayed in from of Wade, and didn't go for up fakes. His defense was outstanding, and on offense he didn't try to do too much. Except maybe when he stole the ball with like a minute to go and tried to go 1 on 5 instead of killing some clock, but everyone makes a mistake. My big problem with him is, you never really know if he will continue to play like that or have a knucklehead game where he turns the ball and gets lots of dumb fouls.
If he can continue to play as he did the other night, than I guess i gotta love him, but that's a big if.

[Greenbean]

We should avoid talking about players as people in general. We often have no idea. Some are just media savvy but have no character. Some are nice guys who make dumb decisions when out with friends.

If we look at his press clippings, it is very hard to not think that TA is on the bad end of the NBA personal character scale. At the same time, he seems coachable and able to interact with teammates.

You and EJPLAYA made some great points today.  Paul's stabbing incident in 2001 was gang related and of course he was still part of that gang in 2008 when he was making those gang signs during the ATL series.

Don't put words in my mouth. Just because you can't dispute the facts involved with TA's being on tape doing these things doesn't mean you can make something up out of the blue and have it change reality. TA doesn't have to be a good guy for him to be a good player on this team. There are lots of thugs that are in the NBA. Lots of guys who didn't do the things they should have and were lousy people. Unless a guy raped or murdered someone I can understand young athletes make stupid decisions at times. I won't pretend however he is a good guy and a class act though. What does that serve?!

That's good I don't pretend to know them well enough to make decisions about their character.  Especially guys that have literally bled, sweat and cried for my favorite team.  I would feel tad hypocritical if I did.

So if someone plays hard for the Celtics then they get a free pass on anything they do in their life?! You don't have to know someone WELL to determine that jumping a guy with your buddies and beating him down,  and then kicking him while laying on the ground is not the conduct of a person with good character. If this was just a rumor of what happened I wouldn't worry too much. This was on tape! It is a fact. We don't need to know him personally to judge that. Why would you defend someone who acted this way?! If you or I did this we'd be in jail, and deservedly so.

No but this was a very young player still adjusting to life with money. When he was poor growing up in Chicago, this kind of behavior was probably common place. It was the same thing with Melo and his Stop Snitching video. These guys, like we all do grow up eventually. The rest of them weed themselves out of the league.

It's been 5 years since that incident and in my eyes, Tony has been a good teammate and a good person. But I still dont know enough about the guy to make a real judgement on his character.