Chris Bosh, worthy of a max deal or not?

[bdm860]

No.

I think any guy that is given the max should be able to single handily carry a team.  Bosh cannot single handily carry a team.

I know that doesn't fit with how the NBA works, but that's my philosophy.  If you want to give your Scottie Pippens max deals, hey it can put your team over the top, but don't mistake it as the kind of guy to build around.  A max deal to me means someone you can build around, a second star is not someone you build around.

Building around a guy like Bosh is what will get a team stuck in mediocrity.  Now building around Lebron/Wade/Durant AND Bosh is a different story.

And I agree with most of that.  I think that's a good way to think about it.

But if it brings you a chip then it has to be worth it right?

Oh if you think he's going to put you over the top, then no doubt pull the trigger.  Real situations like that happen rarely though in this NBA, seems like most teams with one star player (not on a rookie contract) rarely have money to offer a max deal to someone on the open market. 

[Jon]

Depends on the circumstances.  If you can pair him with a Wade (as someone suggested above), then maybe he is "worth it."  However, if you expect Bosh to be your best player on contender, he's not worth it.  

[bdm860]

I say no. He's very good but not the player who leads you to a title. He would be a very good #2. To me, that's not worth the max.

As for the lack of success, Bosh is often compared to KG. KG made the play-offs every year, in a tougher western conference, with 50+ wins a year with a terrible supporting cast. Bosh should be able to at least do that.

Max Money is for All- NBA calibre players, not just the top 5 players in the NBA. Don't believe me, look back at the 2008 championship team when we had three guys making max money.

Agreed

I guess it all depends on how you guys define All-NBA.  Are we talking All-Star?  Are we talking actual All-NBA team player (and if so just the 1st team, or 2nd or 3rd team too)?  Or just some undefined standard like for example saying Andre Iguodala is an All-NBA player (where everyone knows he's a very good player but doesn't have the awards or All-Star appearances to show for it yet)?

[KCattheStripe]

I say no. He's very good but not the player who leads you to a title. He would be a very good #2. To me, that's not worth the max.

As for the lack of success, Bosh is often compared to KG. KG made the play-offs every year, in a tougher western conference, with 50+ wins a year with a terrible supporting cast. Bosh should be able to at least do that.

Max Money is for All- NBA calibre players, not just the top 5 players in the NBA. Don't believe me, look back at the 2008 championship team when we had three guys making max money.

Agreed

I guess it all depends on how you guys define All-NBA.  Are we talking All-Star?  Are we talking actual All-NBA team player (and if so just the 1st team, or 2nd or 3rd team too)?  Or just some undefined standard like for example saying Andre Iguodala is an All-NBA player (where everyone knows he's a very good player but doesn't have the awards or All-Star appearances to show for it yet)?

For the most part I mean someone who is a threat to be first or second team All-NBA in a given year (They may be 3rd one season but it would have to be a race).

[RebusRankin]

To take our mind of KG, a question. It has been widely reported that Chris Bosh will sign a max deal somewhere this off season. Is he worthy of a max deal?

I say he's not. One winning record in seven years, two play-off berths. A max player does more for his team than this.

I don't know. I'm not sure if you could build a team around him. But KG was the main man on a bad team for a long time that did nothing. Was he a max deal guy?

KG's teams had winning records every year. He was making the play-offs every year. He sold tickets. Can't compare the two.

[GreenFaith1819]

I'd say Chris Bosh is worth a Max Contract, with the Right Team.

When I first joined the Blog here, there was a rather Long Thread that dealt with trading Bosh for KG, many months ago. That thread is probably 15 pgs long by now.

IndeedProceed put up a pretty good argument for trading KG for Bosh. After quite a few pages I still did not agree with IP, but I came to realize Chris Bosh's worth because of the discussion, and just how similar his game and KG's is.

He is an Extremely Talented player. I can only imagine him in Green, with our coaching staff, bringing about a renewed focus on defense. Man can score from anywhere. One of best rebounders in the game.

What separates him from KG? Intensity, maybe? I cannot question his leadership, because maybe he is a quiet leader.

Chris's success in leading Toronto vice KG's in leading Minny? Very Close, I think. Overall, KG may have had slightly better help in Minny (Cassell, Sprewell, Marbury, just to name a few), plus a fine coach in Flip Saunders.

In Toronto, only one I can remember Bosh having was Vince Carter as far as big names. Rather Good teams, but not the same talent level as KG.

Place him with the right players and team, and he could become a defensive stopper.

My point is that when he gets his max contract, I hope that this time it is with a team that can help him realize his full defensive potential. He is worth it, but now that he is in the driver's seat I hope Chris Bosh chooses his next team carefully.

[PosImpos]

I say no. He's very good but not the player who leads you to a title. He would be a very good #2. To me, that's not worth the max.

As for the lack of success, Bosh is often compared to KG. KG made the play-offs every year, in a tougher western conference, with 50+ wins a year with a terrible supporting cast. Bosh should be able to at least do that.

Max Money is for All- NBA calibre players, not just the top 5 players in the NBA. Don't believe me, look back at the 2008 championship team when we had three guys making max money.

Agreed

I guess it all depends on how you guys define All-NBA.  Are we talking All-Star?  Are we talking actual All-NBA team player (and if so just the 1st team, or 2nd or 3rd team too)?  Or just some undefined standard like for example saying Andre Iguodala is an All-NBA player (where everyone knows he's a very good player but doesn't have the awards or All-Star appearances to show for it yet)?

For the most part I mean someone who is a threat to be first or second team All-NBA in a given year (They may be 3rd one season but it would have to be a race).

I'd say if you're a top 10-15 player in the NBA you deserve a max contract.  Maybe even top 20.

If you're top 5 at your position in PER and you average at least 15 points per game and 10+ rebounds or more than 5 in at least two other categories, you're probably a max contract player.

Basically, a max contract player is a person who would be the best player or the second best player on a legit contender.

[Onslaught]

To take our mind of KG, a question. It has been widely reported that Chris Bosh will sign a max deal somewhere this off season. Is he worthy of a max deal?

I say he's not. One winning record in seven years, two play-off berths. A max player does more for his team than this.

I don't know. I'm not sure if you could build a team around him. But KG was the main man on a bad team for a long time that did nothing. Was he a max deal guy?

KG's teams had winning records every year. He was making the play-offs every year. He sold tickets. Can't compare the two.

But they never won when it mattered.

[bdm860]

To take our mind of KG, a question. It has been widely reported that Chris Bosh will sign a max deal somewhere this off season. Is he worthy of a max deal?

I say he's not. One winning record in seven years, two play-off berths. A max player does more for his team than this.

I don't know. I'm not sure if you could build a team around him. But KG was the main man on a bad team for a long time that did nothing. Was he a max deal guy?

KG's teams had winning records every year. He was making the play-offs every year. He sold tickets. Can't compare the two.

Also KG was a regular on the All-NBA and All-Defensive teams and rarely missed a game (at least back then  ).  Bosh on the other hand has only played more than 70 games twice since his rookie year, and has made the All-NBA 2nd team once (although that may change this year).  I think we're comparing apples and oranges here.

[Who]

I say no. He's very good but not the player who leads you to a title. He would be a very good #2. To me, that's not worth the max.

As for the lack of success, Bosh is often compared to KG. KG made the play-offs every year, in a tougher western conference, with 50+ wins a year with a terrible supporting cast. Bosh should be able to at least do that.

Max Money is for All- NBA calibre players, not just the top 5 players in the NBA. Don't believe me, look back at the 2008 championship team when we had three guys making max money.

Agreed

I guess it all depends on how you guys define All-NBA.  Are we talking All-Star?  Are we talking actual All-NBA team player (and if so just the 1st team, or 2nd or 3rd team too)?  Or just some undefined standard like for example saying Andre Iguodala is an All-NBA player (where everyone knows he's a very good player but doesn't have the awards or All-Star appearances to show for it yet)?

All-NBA player = someone who makes an All-NBA team.

First team, second team or third team. That makes 15 players.

There are usually a few more who rotate with a couple of the players near the of the All-NBA teams on a yearly basis depending on how well they as an individual performed + how good their team was on the season.

So it's somewhere between 15-20 players who can be classified as such.

[Who]

MVP Caliber Players = LeBron + Wade + Dwight + Durant

All-NBA Caliber Players = Deron + Paul + Kobe + Roy + Melo + Gasol + Duncan + Bosh + Yao + Ginobili

[Onslaught]

Well he's not playing for Boston so in the end I don't care. But he is if someone wants to pay him to be one.

[More Banners]

Someone will certainly offer him a max deal that already has (or will have) that other max star to carry the load, and both will be worth it.  He would fare best next to a top SG, IMHO.  I'd put him either in tax-free Miami next to Wade, or, to get the attention (and perhaps respect) he can't get in Toronto, he'll join up with Joe Johnson (also seeking attention and respect) in New York!  JJ/Bosh, with Gallo shooting and David Lee hustling for boards, would be quite a lineup for the Nix...and worth giving both JJ and Bosh the max (or close to it).

[bdm860]

I say no. He's very good but not the player who leads you to a title. He would be a very good #2. To me, that's not worth the max.

As for the lack of success, Bosh is often compared to KG. KG made the play-offs every year, in a tougher western conference, with 50+ wins a year with a terrible supporting cast. Bosh should be able to at least do that.

Max Money is for All- NBA calibre players, not just the top 5 players in the NBA. Don't believe me, look back at the 2008 championship team when we had three guys making max money.

Agreed

I guess it all depends on how you guys define All-NBA.  Are we talking All-Star?  Are we talking actual All-NBA team player (and if so just the 1st team, or 2nd or 3rd team too)?  Or just some undefined standard like for example saying Andre Iguodala is an All-NBA player (where everyone knows he's a very good player but doesn't have the awards or All-Star appearances to show for it yet)?

All-NBA player = someone who makes an All-NBA team.

First team, second team or third team. That makes 15 players.

There are usually a few more who rotate with a couple of the players near the of the All-NBA teams on a yearly basis depending on how well they as an individual performed + how good their team was on the season.

So it's somewhere between 15-20 players who can be classified as such.

I'm definitely not a fan of that strategy.  Take a look back at this list:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/all_league.html

Look back a few years.  Definitely some studs, but how many of those guys would make you cringe if you knew the C's gave them max money?  Marbury? Mashburn? Eddie Jones? Shawn Marion? Baron Davis, Michael Redd? Elton Brand? Vin Baker? Mitch Richmond? Juwan Howard?

We can look back and see how well the teams did that were built around them.  Or we could imagine the disasters that would be if a team gave them max money. If you want to finish somewhere between 8th and 20th in the league every year and maybe have one good playoff run, give a fringe 2nd or 3rd team All-NBAer max money.  Not a fan of that strategy at all.

Sure Bosh would be great next to somebody else (but so would alot of guys).  Besides this one rare free agent season coming up, how many teams have had one of those stud players that Bosh would look great next to with the cap room to sign a max free agent?

[FallGuy]

To take our mind of KG, a question. It has been widely reported that Chris Bosh will sign a max deal somewhere this off season. Is he worthy of a max deal?

I say he's not. One winning record in seven years, two play-off berths. A max player does more for his team than this.

I don't know. I'm not sure if you could build a team around him. But KG was the main man on a bad team for a long time that did nothing. Was he a max deal guy?

KG's teams had winning records every year. He was making the play-offs every year. He sold tickets. Can't compare the two.

From my perch in Toronto, I can tell you Bosh sells tickets.