Ben Rothlisberger (Allegations, Suspension, etc.)

[Fafnir]

Sure its male dominated but you said it didnt go both ways and it does.  Another reason why its male dominated is because of the way the law is written.  say both parties are drunk and consent while intoxicated.  If the drunk woman says she was raped, she was raped, if the drunk guy says he was raped he wasnt.  

Men make up the vast majority of sexual predators thats a fact. The law doesn't make men predators. Whether its molestation, rape, assault, or date rape that's just a fact.

Every survey they do doesn't find all these hidden male victims of female rapists, they aren't out there.

When men are raped, its by other men.

[wdleehi]

Whether a woman does something to put herself in a bad situation or not, there is no excuse to blame her or forgive the assailant. 



Now, it is different when a woman agrees to do something and then regrets it later...but I think that happens less often then some people like to say. 

[Donoghus]

Whether a woman does something to put herself in a bad situation or not, there is no excuse to blame her or forgive the assailant. 



Now, it is different when a woman agrees to do something and then regrets it later...but I think that happens less often then some people like to say. 

Truer words haven't been spoken.

[Rondo2287]

Sure its male dominated but you said it didnt go both ways and it does.  Another reason why its male dominated is because of the way the law is written.  say both parties are drunk and consent while intoxicated.  If the drunk woman says she was raped, she was raped, if the drunk guy says he was raped he wasnt.  

Men make up the vast majority of sexual predators thats a fact. The law doesn't make men predators. Whether its molestation, rape, assault, or date rape that's just a fact.

Every survey they do doesn't find all these hidden male victims of female rapists, they aren't out there.

When men are raped, its by other men.

And because of this Men being a "predator," characterization how many people do you think would be jumping through hoops to admit it in surveys.  In my close circle of friends at college every one of my 6 close guy friends was by the letter of the law raped or sexually assaulted at one point or another, some more than once  

[Fafnir]

Sure its male dominated but you said it didnt go both ways and it does.  Another reason why its male dominated is because of the way the law is written.  say both parties are drunk and consent while intoxicated.  If the drunk woman says she was raped, she was raped, if the drunk guy says he was raped he wasnt.  

Men make up the vast majority of sexual predators thats a fact. The law doesn't make men predators. Whether its molestation, rape, assault, or date rape that's just a fact.

Every survey they do doesn't find all these hidden male victims of female rapists, they aren't out there.

When men are raped, its by other men.

And because of this Men being a "predator," characterization how many people do you think would be jumping through hoops to admit it in surveys.  In my close circle of friends at college every one of my 6 close guy friends was by the letter of the law raped or sexually assaulted at one point or another, some more than once  

By letter of the law do you mean they were really drunk and had sex?

[Rondo2287]

Sure its male dominated but you said it didnt go both ways and it does.  Another reason why its male dominated is because of the way the law is written.  say both parties are drunk and consent while intoxicated.  If the drunk woman says she was raped, she was raped, if the drunk guy says he was raped he wasnt.  

Men make up the vast majority of sexual predators thats a fact. The law doesn't make men predators. Whether its molestation, rape, assault, or date rape that's just a fact.

Every survey they do doesn't find all these hidden male victims of female rapists, they aren't out there.

When men are raped, its by other men.

And because of this Men being a "predator," characterization how many people do you think would be jumping through hoops to admit it in surveys.  In my close circle of friends at college every one of my 6 close guy friends was by the letter of the law raped or sexually assaulted at one point or another, some more than once  

By letter of the law do you mean they were really drunk and had sex?

No I mean they were really drunk and a not so drunk girl took advantage of them

[Donoghus]

Sure its male dominated but you said it didnt go both ways and it does.  Another reason why its male dominated is because of the way the law is written.  say both parties are drunk and consent while intoxicated.  If the drunk woman says she was raped, she was raped, if the drunk guy says he was raped he wasnt.  

Men make up the vast majority of sexual predators thats a fact. The law doesn't make men predators. Whether its molestation, rape, assault, or date rape that's just a fact.

Every survey they do doesn't find all these hidden male victims of female rapists, they aren't out there.

When men are raped, its by other men.

And because of this Men being a "predator," characterization how many people do you think would be jumping through hoops to admit it in surveys.  In my close circle of friends at college every one of my 6 close guy friends was by the letter of the law raped or sexually assaulted at one point or another, some more than once  

By letter of the law do you mean they were really drunk and had sex?

No I mean they were really drunk and a not so drunk girl took advantage of them

Did they resist at the time? 

[Rondo2287]

Sure its male dominated but you said it didnt go both ways and it does.  Another reason why its male dominated is because of the way the law is written.  say both parties are drunk and consent while intoxicated.  If the drunk woman says she was raped, she was raped, if the drunk guy says he was raped he wasnt.  

Men make up the vast majority of sexual predators thats a fact. The law doesn't make men predators. Whether its molestation, rape, assault, or date rape that's just a fact.

Every survey they do doesn't find all these hidden male victims of female rapists, they aren't out there.

When men are raped, its by other men.

And because of this Men being a "predator," characterization how many people do you think would be jumping through hoops to admit it in surveys.  In my close circle of friends at college every one of my 6 close guy friends was by the letter of the law raped or sexually assaulted at one point or another, some more than once  

By letter of the law do you mean they were really drunk and had sex?

No I mean they were really drunk and a not so drunk girl took advantage of them

Did they resist at the time? 

One of them tried, two of them didnt remember until the girl told them about it later on.   And the others im not quite sure.

[Rondo2287]

Sure its male dominated but you said it didnt go both ways and it does.  Another reason why its male dominated is because of the way the law is written.  say both parties are drunk and consent while intoxicated.  If the drunk woman says she was raped, she was raped, if the drunk guy says he was raped he wasnt.  

Men make up the vast majority of sexual predators thats a fact. The law doesn't make men predators. Whether its molestation, rape, assault, or date rape that's just a fact.

Every survey they do doesn't find all these hidden male victims of female rapists, they aren't out there.

When men are raped, its by other men.

And because of this Men being a "predator," characterization how many people do you think would be jumping through hoops to admit it in surveys.  In my close circle of friends at college every one of my 6 close guy friends was by the letter of the law raped or sexually assaulted at one point or another, some more than once  

By letter of the law do you mean they were really drunk and had sex?

No I mean they were really drunk and a not so drunk girl took advantage of them

Did they resist at the time? 

I dont think that even matters though right?

[Fafnir]

I dont think that even matters though right?

Depends on the state, in NE either party being drunk means that there can't be consent.

I understand the reason for that standard, but its not what I refer to when I'm talking about rape. You say the law doesn't allow men to claim they are raped or assaulted, that's just not true by your own examples.

If your friend resisted, was he physically forced? Did they just regret it? Its very difficult for a woman to forceable have sex with a man, unless we're talking about forceful penetration with an object. The others you admit don't know what happened, or don't know more about. Possibly they were raped, but I doubt it by your description.

You disparge the surveys and studies, but they're out there and have been pretty consistent. Men are not sexually assualted at nearly the rate of woman. And by a massive preponderance their attackers are other men.

Does drunk sex happen, all the time. Does the law say thats rape, yes. But the idea that there are vast numbers of woman out their preying on men just isn't factual. No matter the unfortunate circumstances of some of your friends. (at least the one who you seem to find credible)

[Rondo2287]

I dont think that even matters though right?

Depends on the state, in NE either party being drunk means that there can't be consent.

I understand the reason for that standard, but its not what I refer to when I'm talking about rape. You say the law doesn't allow men to claim they are raped or assaulted, that's just not true by your own examples.

If your friend resisted, was he physically forced? Did they just regret it? Its very difficult for a woman to forceable have sex with a man, unless we're talking about forceful penetration with an object. The others you admit don't know what happened, or don't know more about. Possibly they were raped, but I doubt it by your description.

You disparge the surveys and studies, but they're out there and have been pretty consistent. Men are not sexually assualted at nearly the rate of woman. And by a massive preponderance their attackers are other men.

Does drunk sex happen, all the time. Does the law say thats rape, yes. But the idea that there are vast numbers of woman out their preying on men just isn't factual. No matter the unfortunate circumstances of some of your friends. (at least the one who you seem to find credible)

Now you are twisting words, my friends told me and others that they were taken advatange of, they didnt take it to court.  So legally they cannot claim rape if both parties are intoxicated. And also im not trying to claim that more men are raped than woman, that would be foolish.  All im claiming is that it does happen and to say that it doesnt is ignorant and disrespectful to the victims of such a crime.

[kenmaine]

This being a basketball blog, at first I thought that Ben Wallace had done something!
As for the Ben at issue, I'm sure he(as well as plenty of other NFL players) is a scumbag, but I hate all this personal stuff and off the field gossip.
And no, I don't take the story lightly, but our justice system always seems to, especially if you have the $$$.

[Steve Weinman]

Sure its male dominated but you said it didnt go both ways and it does.  Another reason why its male dominated is because of the way the law is written.  say both parties are drunk and consent while intoxicated.  If the drunk woman says she was raped, she was raped, if the drunk guy says he was raped he wasnt.  

Men make up the vast majority of sexual predators thats a fact. The law doesn't make men predators. Whether its molestation, rape, assault, or date rape that's just a fact.

Every survey they do doesn't find all these hidden male victims of female rapists, they aren't out there.

When men are raped, its by other men.

And because of this Men being a "predator," characterization how many people do you think would be jumping through hoops to admit it in surveys.  In my close circle of friends at college every one of my 6 close guy friends was by the letter of the law raped or sexually assaulted at one point or another, some more than once  

All due respect to your friends, but this type of anecdotal rhetoric really puts me off in any sort of broader sociological discussion.  Let's please try and deal with more significant sample sizes.

To that end, so far as I've read around the Interwebs and recall from prior sociological lectures I sat in, the facts back up precisely what Fafnir is saying here: By and large, this isn't an issue that "goes both ways." If you want to play the literalist semantics game and say "Not 100 percent of sexual assault criminals are men!" fine, but that's sidestepping the point.

Yes, it's possible for males to be victims of rape by females.  Yes, it happens rarely. But the couple of sources I've looked at indicate that somewhere in the range of two percent of all rapes committed are committed by females.  By and large - Fafnir said this earlier, but it bears reiteration - females are raped by males, and males are raped by other males (albeit at a lower rate than the former).  It's been statistically proven time and again.

As for your comments about stigma, there is absolutely some degree of merit to that.  Rape is tremendously underreported, and it's my understanding that approximately only 40 percent of rapes are reported.  But considering just how broad the disparity is in the data we have available - again, some 98 percent of rapes are committed by males - as well as what more effective research techniques, such as various anonymous self-report victimization and perpetration surveys, have taught us, it's hard to imagine that the underreporting makes too sizable a difference in terms of the gender disparities in rape statistics.

-sw

[Fafnir]

I dont think that even matters though right?

Depends on the state, in NE either party being drunk means that there can't be consent.

I understand the reason for that standard, but its not what I refer to when I'm talking about rape. You say the law doesn't allow men to claim they are raped or assaulted, that's just not true by your own examples.

If your friend resisted, was he physically forced? Did they just regret it? Its very difficult for a woman to forceable have sex with a man, unless we're talking about forceful penetration with an object. The others you admit don't know what happened, or don't know more about. Possibly they were raped, but I doubt it by your description.

You disparge the surveys and studies, but they're out there and have been pretty consistent. Men are not sexually assualted at nearly the rate of woman. And by a massive preponderance their attackers are other men.

Does drunk sex happen, all the time. Does the law say thats rape, yes. But the idea that there are vast numbers of woman out their preying on men just isn't factual. No matter the unfortunate circumstances of some of your friends. (at least the one who you seem to find credible)

Now you are twisting words, my friends told me and others that they were taken advatange of, they didnt take it to court.  So legally they cannot claim rape if both parties are intoxicated. And also im not trying to claim that more men are raped than woman, that would be foolish.  All im claiming is that it does happen and to say that it doesnt is ignorant and disrespectful to the victims of such a crime.

So what is your point exactly? Why are you arguing this?

Steve covered it far better than I.

[Rondo2287]

Good post SW and no offense taken, the point is that this type of crime is incredibly traumatic for the people that it happens too.  And just because the percent may not be as high, doesnt make it any less traumatic.  I remember sitting with my friend at planned parenthood waiting with him for 15 minutes of anxious terror waiting for the HIV test results to come back because he had no idea whether or not protection was used a few nights before.  I dont think that the fact that what happened to him only happens in 2% of cases would comfort him too much.