Could the Celtics be broken up if they get bounced in the first round?

[nickagneta]

Well if Chicago fails in getting Wade or Joe Johnson and wants to trade Hinrich and Noah for a S & T Ray Allen and Perk and a draft pick, I'll do that. 

[nickagneta]

Edit: wrong thread

[PosImpos]

Ugh...I don't care what Danny does, but this team can't change fast enough.  What a bunch of underachieving losers. 

Who are these players in green and what did they do with the players from the last two seasons?  They're like soulless, heartless versions of their former selves.

[Rida]

How could this team get broken up? No one wants our players, what could happen is that Ray isn't resigned and we dont offer Pierce a new deal and somehow get him to opt out, but we would still be over the cap and left with a nucleus of Perk, Rondo and Kg

[PosImpos]

How could this team get broken up? No one wants our players, what could happen is that Ray isn't resigned and we dont offer Pierce a new deal and somehow get him to opt out, but we would still be over the cap and left with a nucleus of Perk, Rondo and Kg

Yeah, there's no way to blow up the team, really.

Rondo is more valuable to us than he is to another team (he can't be a go-to guy because of his lack of a jumpshot).  He's also BYC.

Ray may or may not be re-signed; he doesn't count as an asset, though.  Honestly, I don't think Ray is part of the problem.  He still looks like he can at least be a highly productive role player.

Pierce is looking more and more washed up (alarmingly fast drop off really) yet because of sentimentality he'll be a Celtic for life.

KG has a monster contract - we won't be rid of him until he's an expiring.

Perk is the only real tradeable asset but his value is questionable for the same reason that Rondo's value is questionable; he's a very good complementary player but has shown that he can't really be a go to guy.  Rebuilding teams with young assets won't be jumping over themselves to trade for a guy like Perk.

Really the only way to rebuild the Celtics at the moment would be to trade away our pieces for little to nothing - just expiring contracts and low picks.  That's the reality in the NBA, though.  "Rebuilding" usually means giving away most of your players and becoming a disgraceful mess so that you have a shot at winning the lottery.

[Who]

How could this team get broken up? No one wants our players, what could happen is that Ray isn't resigned and we dont offer Pierce a new deal and somehow get him to opt out, but we would still be over the cap and left with a nucleus of Perk, Rondo and Kg

If Garnett finishes the season the way he's been playing recently then there's no way Boston is going to be able to trade him.

If he could get back to where he was temporarily earlier in the season, I think he could have been traded to a desperate contender for an expiring contract.

[nickagneta]

KG is untradeable, period. $40 million over two years? Who wants to trade for a guy who could be done to pay him $40 million.

C's best hope with KG is after this season he retire and renounce the rest of his contract

[Who]

I think the best opportunities for a quality starting power forward are through free agency. Players like Ty Thomas and Luis Scola and to a lesser degree Louis Amundson and Amir Johnson.

If the Celtics were to go small up front, I think they should concentrate using Kendrick Perkins as a trade asset to acquire a wing player instead of a new big man. Specifically a new starting two guard to replace Ray Allen.

[Mr October]

I think the best opportunities for a quality starting power forward are through free agency. Players like Ty Thomas and Luis Scola and to a lesser degree Louis Amundson and Amir Johnson.

If the Celtics were to go small up front, I think they should concentrate using Kendrick Perkins as a trade asset to acquire a wing player instead of a new big man. Specifically a new starting two guard to replace Ray Allen.

There is no question in my mind that Houston matches/keeps Scola.

Ty Thomas in Cha on the other hand... maybe a possibility.. I'd at least try. win or loose any round, young hungry blood is needed on this team.

[More Banners]

I think the best opportunities for a quality starting power forward are through free agency. Players like Ty Thomas and Luis Scola and to a lesser degree Louis Amundson and Amir Johnson.

If the Celtics were to go small up front, I think they should concentrate using Kendrick Perkins as a trade asset to acquire a wing player instead of a new big man. Specifically a new starting two guard to replace Ray Allen.

I'm wondering, once this season reaches its conclusion, whether PP, who isn't showing too much Celtic Pride on the court, and we shouldn't overpay to keep, might decide he doesn't want to spend his last few years on a rebuilding team and accepts a shot to play elsewhere?

So then we'd still be screwed, but perhaps have some S&T options.  Imagine both of them to Utah for Boozer plus picks...

[Who]

Using the MLE to sign Ty Thomas and then trading Perkins for a wing player

(1) Rondo + Ariza + Pierce + Ty Thomas + Garnett

(2) Rondo + JR Smith + Pierce + Ty Thomas + Garnett

(3) Rondo + Harden + Pierce + Ty Thomas + Garnett

Or use a portion of the MLE on Amundson/Amir, the remainder on a reserve player, and trading Perk for a wing player.

[PosImpos]

Amir Johnson or Ty Thomas sounds good to me.  I'm really just not sure what the trade market is for Perkins, though.

[barefacedmonk]

Using the MLE to sign Ty Thomas and then trading Perkins for a wing player

(1) Rondo + Ariza + Pierce + Ty Thomas + Garnett

(2) Rondo + JR Smith + Pierce + Ty Thomas + Garnett

(3) Rondo + Harden + Pierce + Ty Thomas + Garnett

Or use a portion of the MLE on Amundson/Amir, the remainder on a reserve player, and trading Perk for a wing player.

I like those units...but not JR. He is a headcase.

[FallGuy]

KG is untradeable, period. $40 million over two years? Who wants to trade for a guy who could be done to pay him $40 million.

C's best hope with KG is after this season he retire and renounce the rest of his contract

If this happened (yeah, right) we could rebuild VERY fast. S&T Ray for any asset. Deal PP at the trade deadline next year. We'd be wide open, salary wise.

Plus we could turn the team over to Rasheed's leadership!

[tenn_smoothie]

I think there are some definite locker room problems on this team that we have only heard whispers about. I think there may be a definite old guy/young guy divide on this team with the Big Three and Rasheed in one corner and Rondo, Perk, Baby and Tony Allen in the other. I think there may be some hard feelings that exist between certain members of each group
What gives me these feelings?

being that i live down here in knoxville and do not always get the day-to-day details on the Celtics season, i would appreciate some more info on your post ...........

please expand on the issues in the locker room b/w the veterans and the young core - what is the basis of the friction on this team ?

all the talk about the Celt's current talent level and bench depth and health of KG's knee, etc. are really irrelevant if the emotional chemistry and competitive focus are not there anymore.

i've said all along that this group's playing style is especially difficult to maintain at a high level over multiple seasons. add age and injuries to the mix and it's [dang] nbear impossible to maintain intensity with a half-court offense that doesn't get easy baskets and a grinding defense that requires lots of intensity and concentration as well as all the parts being in sync and working together for the team to be successful.

not sure i understand what the young guys are at odds with the veterans about - unless it involves Sheed, who i believe, is a cancer on a team that used to play with one heartbeat.

finally, i think the players have probably tuned Doc's voice out this season. Larry stated, back when he retired from coaching the Pacers, that in his experience, players listen to a coach for about three years max. Doc's time is probably up.