Jazz vs Thunder: Another Bad call!

[nickagneta]

I am sure there was a point in the game where Durant got a 'favorable' call as well.  Foul calls balance out.  Blaming the refs is the easy way out. 

If Durant doesn't play poor defense 2 plays earlier OKC probably wins.  You can't blame the refs unless you execute perfectly.

Saya the guy who's favorite team gets more favorable superstar calls and non-calls as any team possibly in the history of the NBA.

Just kidding!!

Nick may be kidding but I'm not.  The way the messiah is officiated is disgraceful and a mockery of the game.

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I think Durant may have screwed himself by trying to sell it too much.  He didn't need to act like he'd been clobbered.  He was clearly fouled.

Okay Finkel's right. I was only half kidding. It's pretty hard to pull the old "refs don't decide games, players do" card out when your favorite team has LeBron on it's team receives possibly more assistance from the officials on favorable LeBron calls as any team may have ever received for one specific player.

[Rondo_is_better]

Why am I not surprised to hear Bennett Salvatore's name. He's a crabby, grudge-holding old man who needs to retire.

[fairweatherfan]

Well, it's official

NBA admits missed call in OKC-Utah game.

Yet another black eye for the league - an exceptional game in one of the league's best atmospheres, and the refs screw up the finish.  I try not to be a kneejerk ref hater but this is just embarrassing.

Oh, and now we get to see if there's any referee hijinks resulting from one of their own being publicly called out...it's happened before. 

[Rondo_is_better]

Well, it's official

NBA admits missed call in OKC-Utah game.

Yet another black eye for the league - an exceptional game in one of the league's best atmospheres, and the refs screw up the finish.  I try not to be a kneejerk ref hater but this is just embarrassing.

Oh, and now we get to see if there's any referee hijinks resulting from one of their own being publicly called out...it's happened before. 

Oh super.

[cdif911]

I got to be honest, first time I watched it (in real time, not the replay) I didn't see a foul.  Actually the first replay, I still didn't see a foul.  There are wayyyyyyyyyyy worse no calls than that one.  Hand is part of the ball blah blah blah.  

I agree actually, he got at least some ball and ball is an extension of the hand - but KD put on an acting job which may have negated real contact

on the flipside, imagine if Tommy called that play...the soundbyte would be ridiculous

[jambr380]

I got to be honest, first time I watched it (in real time, not the replay) I didn't see a foul.  Actually the first replay, I still didn't see a foul.  There are wayyyyyyyyyyy worse no calls than that one.  Hand is part of the ball blah blah blah.  

I agree actually, he got at least some ball and ball is an extension of the hand - but KD put on an acting job which may have negated real contact

on the flipside, imagine if Tommy called that play...the soundbyte would be ridiculous

I tend to agree- I mean, sure it was a foul, but there was one second left in the game and it was a pretty far heave. At first look, the refs would have to be absolutely sure it was an all-out foul, because imagine the outrage that would have ensued had it not really been a foul and they called one in that situation.

As for Salvatore, I am actually a fan and think he calls a pretty good game...

[fairweatherfan]

I got to be honest, first time I watched it (in real time, not the replay) I didn't see a foul.  Actually the first replay, I still didn't see a foul.  There are wayyyyyyyyyyy worse no calls than that one.  Hand is part of the ball blah blah blah.  

I agree actually, he got at least some ball and ball is an extension of the hand - but KD put on an acting job which may have negated real contact

on the flipside, imagine if Tommy called that play...the soundbyte would be ridiculous

I tend to agree- I mean, sure it was a foul, but there was one second left in the game and it was a pretty far heave. At first look, the refs would have to be absolutely sure it was an all-out foul, because imagine the outrage that would have ensued had it not really been a foul and they called one in that situation.

As for Salvatore, I am actually a fan and think he calls a pretty good game...

I think Salvatore's a very good ref...until he inevitably takes something personally and starts more or less intentionally tilting his judgments.  Same problem Crawford has, really. 

I think this on the other hand was just a case of letting them play it out, but you can't get away with mashing a shooter's forearm in the age of instant replay and YouTube.

[ACF]

http://www.nba.com/official/nba_statement_oklahoma_city_utah_game.html#?ls=iref:nbahpt1

[guava_wrench]

Well, it's official

NBA admits missed call in OKC-Utah game.

Yet another black eye for the league - an exceptional game in one of the league's best atmospheres, and the refs screw up the finish.  I try not to be a kneejerk ref hater but this is just embarrassing.

Oh, and now we get to see if there's any referee hijinks resulting from one of their own being publicly called out...it's happened before. 

Hardly a black eye. Calls will continue to be missed in all sports.

[FallGuy]

Definitely a bad call. And in one of the best games of the entire year. And at a clutch time. Very unfortunate.

Also - Deron Williams is the best PG in the league.

[FallGuy]

Well, it's official

NBA admits missed call in OKC-Utah game.

Yet another black eye for the league - an exceptional game in one of the league's best atmospheres, and the refs screw up the finish.  I try not to be a kneejerk ref hater but this is just embarrassing.

Oh, and now we get to see if there's any referee hijinks resulting from one of their own being publicly called out...it's happened before. 

Hardly a black eye. Calls will continue to be missed in all sports.

The NBA should institute something like they have in tennis. Coaches should be able to challenge one call per half via instant replay.

[MMacOH]

I am sure there was a point in the game where Durant got a 'favorable' call as well.  Foul calls balance out.  Blaming the refs is the easy way out. 

If Durant doesn't play poor defense 2 plays earlier OKC probably wins.  You can't blame the refs unless you execute perfectly.

Saya the guy who's favorite team gets more favorable superstar calls and non-calls as any team possibly in the history of the NBA.

Just kidding!!

Nick may be kidding but I'm not.  The way the messiah is officiated is disgraceful and a mockery of the game.

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I think Durant may have screwed himself by trying to sell it too much.  He didn't need to act like he'd been clobbered.  He was clearly fouled.

Okay Finkel's right. I was only half kidding. It's pretty hard to pull the old "refs don't decide games, players do" card out when your favorite team has LeBron on it's team receives possibly more assistance from the officials on favorable LeBron calls as any team may have ever received for one specific player.

You can say what you want about it, but it's true.  Show me a time when Lebron gets a favorable call and I can easily show you a time where he gets hit and doesn't get a call.  Or would you like me to show you some times when Pierce and Garnett get favorable calls?  Arguing about the refs gets you nowhere.

Do you see me complaining about the blatant hold of Mo Williams that went unnoticed, yielded the Celtics a lay-up, 3 free throws and the ball back due to technicals?  I mean that was a pretty crucial point in the game right?  That's 5 points in a 4 point loss.  Do you know why I don't complain about it?  Because the Cavs still could have won the game if they execute better in the last couple of minutes. 

Would you like me to analyze each of Lebron's drives in the 4th quarter from Sunday?  How many of those do you think he got fouled on?  Now how many did he get foul calls on?  Contrary to popular belief, Lebron doesn't get the 'touch' foul calls, that someone like DWade does.  Honestly, if Lebron would quit complaining to the refs after every time he gets hit with no call he may actually get more foul calls.

Blaming the refs is a loser's mentality. 

[guava_wrench]

I am sure there was a point in the game where Durant got a 'favorable' call as well.  Foul calls balance out.  Blaming the refs is the easy way out. 

If Durant doesn't play poor defense 2 plays earlier OKC probably wins.  You can't blame the refs unless you execute perfectly.

Saya the guy who's favorite team gets more favorable superstar calls and non-calls as any team possibly in the history of the NBA.

Just kidding!!

Nick may be kidding but I'm not.  The way the messiah is officiated is disgraceful and a mockery of the game.

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I think Durant may have screwed himself by trying to sell it too much.  He didn't need to act like he'd been clobbered.  He was clearly fouled.

Okay Finkel's right. I was only half kidding. It's pretty hard to pull the old "refs don't decide games, players do" card out when your favorite team has LeBron on it's team receives possibly more assistance from the officials on favorable LeBron calls as any team may have ever received for one specific player.

You can say what you want about it, but it's true.  Show me a time when Lebron gets a favorable call and I can easily show you a time where he gets hit and doesn't get a call.  Or would you like me to show you some times when Pierce and Garnett get favorable calls?  Arguing about the refs gets you nowhere.

Do you see me complaining about the blatant hold of Mo Williams that went unnoticed, yielded the Celtics a lay-up, 3 free throws and the ball back due to technicals?  I mean that was a pretty crucial point in the game right?  That's 5 points in a 4 point loss.  Do you know why I don't complain about it?  Because the Cavs still could have won the game if they execute better in the last couple of minutes. 

Would you like me to analyze each of Lebron's drives in the 4th quarter from Sunday?  How many of those do you think he got fouled on?  Now how many did he get foul calls on?  Contrary to popular belief, Lebron doesn't get the 'touch' foul calls, that someone like DWade does.  Honestly, if Lebron would quit complaining to the refs after every time he gets hit with no call he may actually get more foul calls.

Blaming the refs is a loser's mentality. 

I have to agree that Lebron gets hit a lot without getting calls, but some fans are overwhelmed by their confirmation bias. They only notice the plays that fit their beliefs and conveniently don't notice the others.

[FallGuy]

I am sure there was a point in the game where Durant got a 'favorable' call as well.  Foul calls balance out.  Blaming the refs is the easy way out. 

If Durant doesn't play poor defense 2 plays earlier OKC probably wins.  You can't blame the refs unless you execute perfectly.

Saya the guy who's favorite team gets more favorable superstar calls and non-calls as any team possibly in the history of the NBA.

Just kidding!!

Nick may be kidding but I'm not.  The way the messiah is officiated is disgraceful and a mockery of the game.

-----------------------------

I think Durant may have screwed himself by trying to sell it too much.  He didn't need to act like he'd been clobbered.  He was clearly fouled.

Okay Finkel's right. I was only half kidding. It's pretty hard to pull the old "refs don't decide games, players do" card out when your favorite team has LeBron on it's team receives possibly more assistance from the officials on favorable LeBron calls as any team may have ever received for one specific player.

You can say what you want about it, but it's true.  Show me a time when Lebron gets a favorable call and I can easily show you a time where he gets hit and doesn't get a call.  Or would you like me to show you some times when Pierce and Garnett get favorable calls?  Arguing about the refs gets you nowhere.

Do you see me complaining about the blatant hold of Mo Williams that went unnoticed, yielded the Celtics a lay-up, 3 free throws and the ball back due to technicals?  I mean that was a pretty crucial point in the game right?  That's 5 points in a 4 point loss.  Do you know why I don't complain about it?  Because the Cavs still could have won the game if they execute better in the last couple of minutes. 

Would you like me to analyze each of Lebron's drives in the 4th quarter from Sunday?  How many of those do you think he got fouled on?  Now how many did he get foul calls on?  Contrary to popular belief, Lebron doesn't get the 'touch' foul calls, that someone like DWade does.  Honestly, if Lebron would quit complaining to the refs after every time he gets hit with no call he may actually get more foul calls.

Blaming the refs is a loser's mentality. 

I have to agree that Lebron gets hit a lot without getting calls, but some fans are overwhelmed by their confirmation bias. They only notice the plays that fit their beliefs and conveniently don't notice the others.

*laughs*

Tommy Heinsohn is the #1 offender in this area.

[jdpapa3]

I am sure there was a point in the game where Durant got a 'favorable' call as well.  Foul calls balance out.  Blaming the refs is the easy way out. 

If Durant doesn't play poor defense 2 plays earlier OKC probably wins.  You can't blame the refs unless you execute perfectly.

See, this is a mindset that I can't disagree more with and it lets the refs off the hook for the most part. No one can "execute perfectly" all the time. And for the record, against the Thunder the Celtics had executed pretty darn close to perfect and were getting called on nonexistent fouls or OKC was awarded undeserved FT's. You can call the Celtics out for bad defense, but the Thunder were playing defense even worse than the Celtics in this one: check the fg%. Both teams make mistakes and you can only hope that the bad calls from the refs even out. Some games they don't and, sorry to say it, but the refs have changed the outcome of the game.

I'm convinced there were hundreds of times after Donaghy games where we had fans tell others that "the calls evened out over the game" and that "blaming the refs is the excuse of losers." It's all hogwash, to be honest. And I'd bet a lot of money that Donaghy wasn't a "rogue official." Would you take that bet?