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Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2010, 11:36:21 AM »

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When does optimism meet reality?

Never.  

Optimism is a way of understanding and relating towards ulimately unknowable events which may or may not occur in the future.  

Reality occurs in the present.

Never the twain shall meet...

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Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2010, 11:38:28 AM »

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When does optimism meet reality?

Never.  

Optimism is a way of understanding and relating towards ulimately unknowable events which may or may not occur in the future.  

Reality occurs in the present.

Never the twain shall meet...

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I am as optimistic about the Cs as I've been from Day 1 of training camp and that won't change until it must.


Not true.


I am a Giants fan. 

I was optimistic when they were the Wild Card team two years ago. 

The realist said they were going to lose, four different times in the playoffs.

When they won it all, my optimism became a reality. 

 ;D

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2010, 11:45:47 AM »

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Oh, I'm still cheering them on and hoping beyond hope that they can overcome all the obstacles before them both external and internal, but deep down, I know they aren't going to win it all. It doesn't mean I'm right. It's just how I feel.

And as I said, I don't think that makes me a better or worse fan or a more or less knowledgeable fan. It just makes me a fan that thinks they can't win it all this year. I don't think fans like me stop cheering their teams on or hoping they lose, I just think we have come to a realization, one that may or may not be true.

And for those that do believe until the very end, good for you, although something deep down tells me that you don't really feel that way until the VERY end. That at some point, maybe a minute before the final buzzer, a few minutes, a quarter or a half or even a game or two before, you realize it. At least I think so.

Remember this has nothing to do with being a fan or whether you are going to support your team. This is about your internal realization of discovery that this, or for that matter any other team, just isn't good enough in that particular year. Some very few times that feeling is wrong. Almost all of the time when you get that feeling though, it's right.


I know most fans aren't going to just stop rooting.


I am just comparing myself to what many seem to think reality is based on some of what I read here.  (Celtics have little to no chance)

No matter how bad I might see, I can't give up the belief they will win until they are out.


And sometimes, they will reward your belief.  (see the Giants)
No, I understand and respect where you are coming from wd,I do. But I have been an unabashed sports fan in football, baseball and basketball since 1975. that's roughly 105 seasons of ball between the Patriots, Celtics and Red Sox. My optimism meeting my reality has been wrong three times.

1981 Celtics - they were down 3-1 to Philadelphia and I thought for sure the season was over, especially when they were down late in game 4. I just thought they weren't good enough to beat that Sixers team. I was wrong and a comeback ensued and the championship came.

2001 Patriots - the tuck rule play. During the review of the play I just thought, that's it season's over. The weather, the game, the teams they had to overcome. I was convinced that season was over. Wrong again.

2004 Red Sox - I've already mentioned this one.


Funny enough in 2007 with the Sox I never got that feeling. Or in the 1976, 1984, 1986 or 2008 with the Celtics or 2003 and 2004 with the Pats. And there have been a ton of years where I never got the feeling until the very, very end.

But this year, something about that New Orleans game got to me and I came to the conclusion, maybe correctly maybe not, that this team couldn't win it all this year. Just something about the way they laid down in the second half of that game that I had seen all too often before that and all too often since that made something click.

I sure hope I am wrong and will be routing on and cheering on my C's, but.......

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2010, 11:50:12 AM »

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I expect boston wins round one and gets beat in 5 by the Cavs. that is my reality

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2010, 11:58:42 AM »

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when does optimism meet reality?

if one is fortunate, never...since reality tends towards the grim.

and if optimism does plunge towards the abyss of reality, i suggest generous helpings of alcohol. drinking wont change reality, but at least you are more likely to be unaware of it.  ;D
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Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2010, 12:06:40 PM »

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I'm off the bandwagon now.  This team won't make it out of the 1st round.

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2010, 12:11:38 PM »

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  I've seen nothing that says the team can't win the title, but it's obviously not a probability. I'm optimistic that we can play  well in the playoffs. But if that happens, while we're (deservedly) title contenders, our odds would be no better than 1 in 6, similar to Clev, Orl, LA, and possibly SA.

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2010, 12:13:54 PM »

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My perspective is that we have nothing to lose.  We aren't really expected to beat teams like Cleveland or Orlando.  I'll be very dissapointed if we lose to a bad team in the playoffs, but if we lose to Cleveland or Orlando, then I suppose that is our potential.
Over the last five games, I'm not sure how much of the problem was focus.  I see age as being a huge factor.  It's almost a fluke if two of the big 3 get it going in the same game at this point.  We are slow to rebounds and loose balls.
I'm not dissapointed in the team for the most part.  Age happens.

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2010, 12:21:13 PM »

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I have no more optimism, only hope. When did it happen I'm not sure, but thinking about the current state of this team puts me in a bad mood. It's gotten to the point where seeing optimism in others makes me a bit bitter (although I find overly pessimistic posts equally annoying). I think to myself what are you seeing that I am not, am I the one being unreasonable? I guess it's true that misery loves company. I haven't ruled out the possibility of them winning 18, but that's all it is at this point a possibility.

Edit: As for next year... no hope.

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2010, 12:21:44 PM »

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I'm off the bandwagon now.  This team won't make it out of the 1st round.

To me the C's just didn't care about the Knicks... After beating the Cavs, the C's were due for a let down. I just can't believe they couldn't even muster a half a quarter of good hustling defensive basketball.

This team is gonna be on cruise control until the playoffs start. So much of this season has really turned my stomach.

One thing I am very optimistic about is that the Celtics will take care of business in the 1st round. All season long its playoffs this, playoffs that. This group of players will loose all credibility if they lay an egg in round one. And then I expect them to go down fighting against the Cavs.

Back on the point of the thread, my optimism wavers every time I see that KG can't move side to side anywhere near as well as he used to. He covered a lot of this teams individual defensive flaws.

However, until the the Celtics fall (or give up, if it comes to it); I will be cheering like mad. Go Celtics!!


Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2010, 12:22:18 PM »

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My perspective is that we have nothing to lose.  We aren't really expected to beat teams like Cleveland or Orlando.  I'll be very dissapointed if we lose to a bad team in the playoffs, but if we lose to Cleveland or Orlando, then I suppose that is our potential.
Over the last five games, I'm not sure how much of the problem was focus.  I see age as being a huge factor.  It's almost a fluke if two of the big 3 get it going in the same game at this point.  We are slow to rebounds and loose balls.
I'm not dissapointed in the team for the most part.  Age happens.
TP. Excellent point. My OP wasn't about this disappointment involved with this realization that a team you love isn't good enough to win it. Most teams aren't good enough to win it all so most people aren't going to be disappointed if their team doesn't win it all.

In February, when I lowered my expectations for this team because my optimism met reality I wasn't disappointed. Age happens. Injuries happen. This just wasn't going to be our year. Really wasn't disappointed.

But I am really disappointed in the effort this team has given this year. Last year this team was as equally beat up as this year's team. It could be argued that it was also less talented than this team. But even during their losing streak after Christmas Day in 2008, they never gave little to no effort in games. They never just decided not to show up. And hurt and missing key personnel and playing scrubs, they took Orlando to 7 games and played honorably and I was proud of them.

As of right now, I'm not sure I can say that of this team, and THAT is disappointing to me, not the fact that they won't win it all.

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2010, 12:25:22 PM »

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My feeling is this.

Even though we are not playing to our potential, we can still win games.

It's not like we are the Golden State Warriors or anything.

Even though we have been basically a .500 team for much of the season...that's all we really need to be in the Playoffs....a better than .500 team.

When we won the chip in 2008 Playoffs we basically were a .500 team....and we played in the most playoffs game on our route to the title: an NBA record.

Even last season's playoffs, each series took the full tilt.

I am guessing that's just who this team is in the end, a very good team when it counts....not really a dominant team like the 2000 Lakers who went 15-1 in the postseason


Only one problem with your line of thinking. We are only playing .500 ball right now because we are getting most of those wins against bad teams. If we were playing only playoff teams every night for the past 2 months we would be nowhere near .500 . Nice optimistic thought, however not accurate.

On another note, there are a lot of people on here saying they don't hit this point until the final buzzer sounds eliminating us. That just isn't true. You may not admit on this site or to your friends you've given up, but you will have given up hope long before that if you haven't already. There is nothing wrong with admitting that we just aren't healthy enough as a team to win the title this year. That's just reality.

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2010, 12:28:19 PM »

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My perspective is that we have nothing to lose.  We aren't really expected to beat teams like Cleveland or Orlando.  I'll be very dissapointed if we lose to a bad team in the playoffs, but if we lose to Cleveland or Orlando, then I suppose that is our potential.
Over the last five games, I'm not sure how much of the problem was focus.  I see age as being a huge factor.  It's almost a fluke if two of the big 3 get it going in the same game at this point.  We are slow to rebounds and loose balls.
I'm not dissapointed in the team for the most part.  Age happens.
TP. Excellent point. My OP wasn't about this disappointment involved with this realization that a team you love isn't good enough to win it. Most teams aren't good enough to win it all so most people aren't going to be disappointed if their team doesn't win it all.

In February, when I lowered my expectations for this team because my optimism met reality I wasn't disappointed. Age happens. Injuries happen. This just wasn't going to be our year. Really wasn't disappointed.

But I am really disappointed in the effort this team has given this year. Last year this team was as equally beat up as this year's team. It could be argued that it was also less talented than this team. But even during their losing streak after Christmas Day in 2008, they never gave little to no effort in games. They never just decided not to show up. And hurt and missing key personnel and playing scrubs, they took Orlando to 7 games and played honorably and I was proud of them.

As of right now, I'm not sure I can say that of this team, and THAT is disappointing to me, not the fact that they won't win it all.
I think some of the apparent lack of effort is the inability to muster up the appropriate energy due to age and injury.  And then there is Rasheed...

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2010, 12:29:04 PM »

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On another note, there are a lot of people on here saying they don't hit this point until the final buzzer sounds eliminating us. That just isn't true. You may not admit on this site or to your friends you've given up, but you will have given up hope long before that if you haven't already. There is nothing wrong with admitting that we just aren't healthy enough as a team to win the title this year. That's just reality.
TP.

I've been wanting to say this and just didn't want to for fear of the thread going in a direction of us versus them realists vs optimists, but I kind of feel the same way. Though in defense of that, I have had year's where I really didn't give up hope until the very end. The 2003 and 2008 Red Sox were like that for me.

Re: When does optimism meet reality?
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2010, 12:33:30 PM »

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On another note, there are a lot of people on here saying they don't hit this point until the final buzzer sounds eliminating us. That just isn't true. You may not admit on this site or to your friends you've given up, but you will have given up hope long before that if you haven't already. There is nothing wrong with admitting that we just aren't healthy enough as a team to win the title this year. That's just reality.
TP.

I've been wanting to say this and just didn't want to for fear of the thread going in a direction of us versus them realists vs optimists, but I kind of feel the same way. Though in defense of that, I have had year's where I really didn't give up hope until the very end. The 2003 and 2008 Red Sox were like that for me.
To be honest, I don't agree.

The main reason is that I have no clue *why* we are under-performing the way we are. If it really is all effort, or whatever, and they will be able to switch on in the playoffs, hey, that's fine with me!

Honestly. With this team, I have no idea what might happen. So that's why I say I hope.

And I'll do that until we're out of it.