The 1 (90% Feasible) Non-C's Related Trade You Wish Would Happen Before DraftDay

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I brought this up in the David Lee thread but I thought I'd like to hear others' thoughts as well.

What is the One Non-Celtics Related Trade you want to see happen before the Draft?

Here is mine:

OKC Trades:
Jeff Green (4.5 million)
1st round (#22)

Minny Trades:
Al Jefferson (13 million)

Why this works under salary cap rules:
The thunder will have over 10 million in salary cap freedom after this season's salaries come off the books. That will allow this trade to happen.

Why for the Thunder:
2 big reasons.

1) We just watched the thunder play so although I did take the to look them up, I won't bother to site them..the thunder are weak inside, especially in the post. Unless Durant or Krstic has a matchup edge, they don't really have any options. Green is predominantly a jump shooter and transition player. Jefferson takes over 40% of his shots from the post, and that number would only go up if he can get the darn double team off his back. He would have to rely less on his mediocre midrange game and really concentrate on putting the ball in the cup.

2) Jeff Green isn't a rebounder, neither is Krstic. Al Jefferson could be your man.

3 FTW) OKC has enough depth at the 4 between Ibaka and Collison that they can change pace to be more uptempo if they have to.

Why for Minny:

1) If they don't get rid of one of Love/Jefferson, they're going to continue to have chemistry issues and still not get the best out of either player

2) Jefferson's cap figure coming off means minny is automatically a player in the 'lets overpay someone' free agent market. Can you say "Rudy Gay"?

3) 4 firsts (they already have 2), one probable top 4, means a lot of trade opportunities or better odds they come out of the first with 2 valuable assets. They could package their one of the back end picks asuming the trade goes down (#'s 26 and 22) with thier number 16 for a higher pick or better player.

4) Jeff Green is a solid asset in and of himself.

I'm sick of typing now, but that's what I wanna see.

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Minny wouldn't do that.  Jeff Green is a very good complementary player; Al Jefferson is one of the most talented post players in the NBA on the offensive end. 

The T-Wolves can do a lot better than Green + a (likely low) 1st round draft pick for Big Al.  The Thunder would at least have to throw in James Harden as well.

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Minny wouldn't do that.  Jeff Green is a very good complementary player; Al Jefferson is one of the most talented post players in the NBA on the offensive end. 

The T-Wolves can do a lot better than Green + a (likely low) 1st round draft pick for Big Al.  The Thunder would at least have to throw in James Harden as well.

When I considered it I considered though...what exactly is Al Jeff's current value? I think you're overestimating it. I believe in him, but the smart money doesn't follow on a guy who had a pretty bad year plus a dui conviction.

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Minny wouldn't do that.  Jeff Green is a very good complementary player; Al Jefferson is one of the most talented post players in the NBA on the offensive end. 

The T-Wolves can do a lot better than Green + a (likely low) 1st round draft pick for Big Al.  The Thunder would at least have to throw in James Harden as well.

When I considered it I considered though...what exactly is Al Jeff's current value? I think you're overestimating it. I believe in him, but the smart money doesn't follow on a guy who had a pretty bad year plus a dui conviction.

Not a bad trade idea.  TP for you.  I follow your reasoning and it's sounds fair to both sides. 
OKC gets the post scorer and rebounder they need.  Al gets to play with 2 other prime scorers that will keep the doubleteams off him.

MInnie moves a logjam at PF.  Gets a more versatile player, another first round pick in the high teens and some salary relief.   Green would fit right beside Love and Milicic on the front line.  If they can land either Wall or Evans, and add some other solid talent with another pick (and possibly move some picks for a decent established player or 2-->if we can move BBD or Sheed for one of them that would be ideal) they could be moving right up into playoff contention.  Maybe move in Rubio in 2 years (or trade him if they get Wall) to really move things along.

The key for Minnie is to land a very high pick to get the player that will be their franchise.  Green isn't that player but he can play a very solid support role.

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Minny wouldn't do that.  Jeff Green is a very good complementary player; Al Jefferson is one of the most talented post players in the NBA on the offensive end. 

The T-Wolves can do a lot better than Green + a (likely low) 1st round draft pick for Big Al.  The Thunder would at least have to throw in James Harden as well.

When I considered it I considered though...what exactly is Al Jeff's current value? I think you're overestimating it. I believe in him, but the smart money doesn't follow on a guy who had a pretty bad year plus a dui conviction.

I think Big Al is worth a borderline All-Star under the age of 26.

Jeff Green's value is up and down depending on how much a GM rates him. I believe some GMs see him as a future All-Star + some see him for what he currently is and not much more. As a result, I think his trade value would vary widely.

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I don't think I'd make this trade if I were Oklahoma. I think I'd rather have Green + $10 million in cap space + lottery first round pick than Al Jefferson. Not certain, but that's the way I'm leaning. Not convinced Jefferson is a good enough talent to give up those assets.

I would trade Jeff Green for a Chris Bosh type talent. An All-NBA big man. Someone who along with Durant and Westbrook would combine to make one of the most feared trios in the NBA for the next 5-7 years.

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I don't think I'd make this trade if I were Oklahoma. I think I'd rather have Green + $10 million in cap space + lottery pick than Al Jefferson. Not certain, but that's the way I'm leaning. Not convinced Jefferson is a good enough talent to give up those assets.

I would trade Jeff Green for a Chris Bosh type talent. An All-NBA big man. Someone who along with Durant and Westbrook would combine to make one of the most feared trios in the NBA for the next 5-7 years.

The pick they'd be trading in my trade is #22 if that makes any difference

[Who]

I don't think I'd make this trade if I were Oklahoma. I think I'd rather have Green + $10 million in cap space + lottery pick than Al Jefferson. Not certain, but that's the way I'm leaning. Not convinced Jefferson is a good enough talent to give up those assets.

I would trade Jeff Green for a Chris Bosh type talent. An All-NBA big man. Someone who along with Durant and Westbrook would combine to make one of the most feared trios in the NBA for the next 5-7 years.

The pick they'd be trading in my trade is #22 if that makes any difference

Oh sorry, didn't mean to write lottery pick. Force of habit.

I was thinking of an early 20s pick not a lottery pick.

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Minny wouldn't do that.  Jeff Green is a very good complementary player; Al Jefferson is one of the most talented post players in the NBA on the offensive end. 

The T-Wolves can do a lot better than Green + a (likely low) 1st round draft pick for Big Al.  The Thunder would at least have to throw in James Harden as well.

When I considered it I considered though...what exactly is Al Jeff's current value? I think you're overestimating it. I believe in him, but the smart money doesn't follow on a guy who had a pretty bad year plus a dui conviction.

The DUI conviction means nothing, and Big Al has been coming off of an injury this year.  In the latter half of the year he's been playing pretty well - pretty close to his pre-injury 20-10 form. 

Big Al is one of the few big men in the league who commands a double team in the post when he's on his game.  You don't trade that for a jack-of-all-trades perimeter PF who is most effective as a 3rd or 4th option on offense.  Big Al is still very young, too. 

Would you trade Carlos Boozer for Rashard Lewis and a late first round pick?  I sure wouldn't.  That's the best analogy I can come up with for this trade.

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I think though that you're over estimating the market for him. We agree on OUR projections for Big Al...but it's pretty much understood at this point that one of the two of them (Love, Jeff) are going to be shipped out.

If that's the case, which it looks like it is, then who do you trade FOR Jefferson? When the guy can't even manage to make it work next to Kevin Love, I mean its kind of a low ball market. I don't think Green's value is that far off of Jefferson's...then when you look at theprobable cap #'s, and the trends with teams just absolutely giving away players to shed salary, if anything I think OKC is going to balk here.

[PosImpos]

I think though that you're over estimating the market for him. We agree on OUR projections for Big Al...but it's pretty much understood at this point that one of the two of them (Love, Jeff) are going to be shipped out.

If that's the case, which it looks like it is, then who do you trade FOR Jefferson? When the guy can't even manage to make it work next to Kevin Love, I mean its kind of a low ball market. I don't think Green's value is that far off of Jefferson's...then when you look at theprobable cap #'s, and the trends with teams just absolutely giving away players to shed salary, if anything I think OKC is going to balk here.

The T-Wolves aren't in a position where they're desperate to shed salary (not yet).  As far as I know, they have no albatross contracts and they aren't over the cap.  They'll actually have a fair amount of space this summer.  They're not going to give Big Al away.

Most recently, I heard rumors of the Bulls trading Luol Deng for Big Al, which the T-Wolves turned down.  If the Wolves aren't going to take Deng for Big Al, I don't see why they'd take Jeff Green.  When he's healthy, Deng is a better player than Green.  I think the Wolves could at least get some high draft picks for Big Al. 

The fact that a player like DeMarcus Cousins - who projects to be a similar player to Big Al - is considered a top 3 draft prospect speaks to Big Al's value as a young 20-10 capable big man.

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I don't know why Minny would want to play Green and Love together. At least Al Jeff and Love make sense on offense.

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I think though that you're over estimating the market for him. We agree on OUR projections for Big Al...but it's pretty much understood at this point that one of the two of them (Love, Jeff) are going to be shipped out.

If that's the case, which it looks like it is, then who do you trade FOR Jefferson? When the guy can't even manage to make it work next to Kevin Love, I mean its kind of a low ball market. I don't think Green's value is that far off of Jefferson's...then when you look at theprobable cap #'s, and the trends with teams just absolutely giving away players to shed salary, if anything I think OKC is going to balk here.

The T-Wolves aren't in a position where they're desperate to shed salary (not yet).  As far as I know, they have no albatross contracts and they aren't over the cap.  They'll actually have a fair amount of space this summer.  They're not going to give Big Al away.

Most recently, I heard rumors of the Bulls trading Luol Deng for Big Al, which the T-Wolves turned down.  If the Wolves aren't going to take Deng for Big Al, I don't see why they'd take Jeff Green.  When he's healthy, Deng is a better player than Green.  I think the Wolves could at least get some high draft picks for Big Al. 

The fact that a player like DeMarcus Cousins - who projects to be a similar player to Big Al - is considered a top 3 draft prospect speaks to Big Al's value as a young 20-10 capable big man.

Where did you hear the Deng rumor? Shame on Minny for declining that.

I think the Cousins comparison isn't over the top, but Cousins is in mint condition, never out of the package. You know just opening that thing up depreciates the value. Then, if you broke a leg on it once and fixed it with crazy glue...well lets just say nobody is going to buy that original Shredder for market value.

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I think though that you're over estimating the market for him. We agree on OUR projections for Big Al...but it's pretty much understood at this point that one of the two of them (Love, Jeff) are going to be shipped out.

If that's the case, which it looks like it is, then who do you trade FOR Jefferson? When the guy can't even manage to make it work next to Kevin Love, I mean its kind of a low ball market. I don't think Green's value is that far off of Jefferson's...then when you look at theprobable cap #'s, and the trends with teams just absolutely giving away players to shed salary, if anything I think OKC is going to balk here.

The T-Wolves aren't in a position where they're desperate to shed salary (not yet).  As far as I know, they have no albatross contracts and they aren't over the cap.  They'll actually have a fair amount of space this summer.  They're not going to give Big Al away.

Most recently, I heard rumors of the Bulls trading Luol Deng for Big Al, which the T-Wolves turned down.  If the Wolves aren't going to take Deng for Big Al, I don't see why they'd take Jeff Green.  When he's healthy, Deng is a better player than Green.  I think the Wolves could at least get some high draft picks for Big Al.  

The fact that a player like DeMarcus Cousins - who projects to be a similar player to Big Al - is considered a top 3 draft prospect speaks to Big Al's value as a young 20-10 capable big man.

Where did you hear the Deng rumor? Shame on Minny for declining that.

I think the Cousins comparison isn't over the top, but Cousins is in mint condition, never out of the package. You know just opening that thing up depreciates the value. Then, if you broke a leg on it once and fixed it with crazy glue...well lets just say nobody is going to buy that original Shredder for market value.

I really think you're exaggerating Big Al's injury.  It was bothering him earlier in the season but he's been a lot better lately.  All signs point to him being 100% next season, which means he'll likely be a 20-10 guy again.  Plus, he's only 25.

Al Jefferson doesn't seem that impressive on Minnesota, but if you put him on a team with some perimeter scorers (Minnie has none) suddenly he'd seem a LOT more valuable.  Teams like Chicago and Charlotte, whose main weakness is a lack of inside scoring, would give anything for a guy like Big Al.

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I don't know why Minny would want to play Green and Love together. At least Al Jeff and Love make sense on offense.

Jeff Green can play the three. I prefer him there too.