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Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #375 on: April 02, 2010, 11:09:26 PM »

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This has got to be KG's worst game as a celtic. Too many missed open jumpers and lay ups, and worst of all, he couldn't rebound the ball. It's just frustrating to see the talent level drop just like that.

And yeah, how many times do we need to remind this team that no lead is safe, and that opposing teams just don't "die". When the C's got that 5 point lead in OT, they acted as though the Rockets had given up. But guess what, they came back and won the game! Btw, the hawks lost, we could've tied them at #3 had we won this game.

As one of the announcers said a week or two ago, KG never learned how to box out because he could always jump higher than everyone else.

These days? Not so much. He better learn. It's a skill you teach sixth-graders in CYO. Otherwise, we're lucky to get past the first round.
It's something that Kevin Garnett has always been inconsistent with. There were times when he was in Minnesota when it was very frustrating to watch. Capable, though, once he put his mind to it. Highly capable, best of the best capable.

That said, his main issue nowadays isn't mental, it's physical. He can't move to side to side quickly enough to keep his rear end in front of mobile big men. He is fine against centers and some slow footed power forwards but anyone with mobility (like Varejao) gets around easily. He just doesn't have the agility, post injury, to stay in front of the opposing player.

Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #376 on: April 02, 2010, 11:17:38 PM »

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I can't sleep if I don't post this one. It seems to me that everyone lost his confidence about his own shot especially the 3-point. We have a ton of better 3-pointers; Ray, Nate, sheed, Finley and don't forget this year's all star champion PP. Everybody seems hesitate to shoot 3 anymore. I believe Doc did say something to them and that should demotivat them somehow. When we throw away one of our weapons, it's hard to win game only from the inside. We have a number of talent players but doc doesn't seem to know how to use them effectively. Look at nate as an example, he now confuses on most of the plays. He gives up his open shot for Big Baby who doesn't hesitate to shoot no matter what.

I also notice that our defense system not working anymore. Starters are too old and too slow to give help. As a result, the ball just easily get into the hand of the opponant's open man who makes that shot most of the times. Look at big mans like perk and KG who have to give RR a help on his lazy defense and consequently end up with double team the opponant PG who can make pick-n-roll or pick-n-pop play easily. I can say we lost to many teams because of this loophole. If Doc cannot figure it out, I'd prefer to see him go after we lost in 1st round playoff.

Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #377 on: April 02, 2010, 11:20:18 PM »

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Will Doc be fired after this season? I don't think he will be...but if he is, who should replace him?
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Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #378 on: April 02, 2010, 11:23:34 PM »

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Will Doc be fired after this season? I don't think he will be...but if he is, who should replace him?

This question shouldn't even be asked.
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Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #379 on: April 02, 2010, 11:31:08 PM »

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I'd agree with you about any other stat, but saying these stats (after 1000+ minutes of data) are flawed is like saying 2+2 doesn't equal 4. It's just one of the facts. I like going by season long stats because basing it off of the latest week of games or so can skew your opinion.

Starting unit is dominant. The problem is when the bench guys start getting mixed in. Which can kill a team and is the main issue this team is facing right now.
I wouldn't label any aspect of this team dominant at present. If the starters were playing dominant defense, they wouldn't be losing this many games as most NBA games are decided in the 4th quarter.  It's not like they're consistently behind late in games.  They've often been ahead and fallen apart because they can't stop teams when it counts.

I actually think the problems run a lot deeper -- health, professionalism, sub par play by guys who were expected to help (Quis, BBD, Sheed until recently). How can a team run sets and get open shots for most of the game and have 4 guys stand around and watch PP go one on 2 with the game on the line....there are just too many aspects of this team that are broken.   


Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #380 on: April 02, 2010, 11:42:46 PM »

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Just reviewed the film and only 2 out of Ray's 6 fouls were legit. Knew I would find that.


Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #381 on: April 02, 2010, 11:47:12 PM »

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Just reviewed the film and only 2 out of Ray's 6 fouls were legit. Knew I would find that.



Now I just wish the refs could review the fouls they called that weren't and set the rewind button and reverse the calls.
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Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #382 on: April 02, 2010, 11:52:36 PM »

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Just reviewed the film and only 2 out of Ray's 6 fouls were legit. Knew I would find that.



Now I just wish the refs could review the fouls they called that weren't and set the rewind button and reverse the calls.

I gotta say it was like an assembly line of things that went wrong tonight.

Something that's killing me right now is that Pierce was yelling something/having a conversation with the sidelines with 5 seconds remaining? What's up with that?!

Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #383 on: April 02, 2010, 11:56:56 PM »

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Just reviewed the film and only 2 out of Ray's 6 fouls were legit. Knew I would find that.



Now I just wish the refs could review the fouls they called that weren't and set the rewind button and reverse the calls.

I gotta say it was like an assembly line of things that went wrong tonight.

Something that's killing me right now is that Pierce was yelling something/having a conversation with the sidelines with 5 seconds remaining? What's up with that?!

Me too.  He's gotta know what he is going to do before he is ready to take the last shot.  Also, Pierce was terrible when he took the final shot in the third quarter too.
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Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #384 on: April 03, 2010, 01:31:24 AM »

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Why in the sweet name of heaven did we not foul Brooks before he took that three? When there's less than 24 secs on the clock and you're up by three points, you intentionally FOUL your opponent! You do NOT give a great three-point team a chance to tie the game up!

Send them to the line, and if they make both, you're still up by one point with possession of the ball. This (lack of a) decision has bitten us in the butt more than once this year, and it's such a no-brainer ... I just don't get it. This one's on Doc, cuz we had this in the bag until that happened.  :P
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Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #385 on: April 03, 2010, 01:44:28 AM »

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Why in the sweet name of heaven did we not foul Brooks before he took that three? When there's less than 24 secs on the clock and you're up by three points, you intentionally FOUL your opponent! You do NOT give a great three-point team a chance to tie the game up!

Send them to the line, and if they make both, you're still up by one point with possession of the ball. This (lack of a) decision has bitten us in the butt more than once this year, and it's such a no-brainer ... I just don't get it. This one's on Doc, cuz we had this in the bag until that happened.  :P
Agree, Bahku. I don't understand why Doc has done it at times in the past and now he doesn't. There's no way his philosophy just completely changed, is there? Was he scared of our ft shooters because I'd take KG or Pierce in that situation and live with what they did at the line. Even if Pierce was off from the line, I trust him to come through.

Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #386 on: April 03, 2010, 01:50:15 AM »

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Why in the sweet name of heaven did we not foul Brooks before he took that three? When there's less than 24 secs on the clock and you're up by three points, you intentionally FOUL your opponent! You do NOT give a great three-point team a chance to tie the game up!

Send them to the line, and if they make both, you're still up by one point with possession of the ball. This (lack of a) decision has bitten us in the butt more than once this year, and it's such a no-brainer ... I just don't get it. This one's on Doc, cuz we had this in the bag until that happened.  :P
I agree. that what I was thinking as Brooks started to dribble.

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Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #387 on: April 03, 2010, 04:10:16 AM »

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Wow. Speechless. I was ready to write a post saying "Better get down early than late and finish the games off" when we took a 7 point lead in the 4th but it went to OT and then we went up by 5 to ultimately lose...

Really speechless. I'm not even disappointed right now, it goes beyond that. I mean, Atlanta lost against Cleveland, we play the Rockets without Battier, Martin and Ariza, that is our chance to get the 3rd see back and we lose to a team that shows some incredible heart and hustle. Sure, Budinger as the reincarnation of Ray Allen was unexpected but he got wide open looks on every 3 pointer he took.

Should have fouled Brooks before he took the 3 though. And I'm still wondering why Doc didn't mix defensive players with offensive ones in OT because it was obvious we lacked shooters and offensive firepower (Nate or Sheed would have been great).

Anyway... another heartbreaking loss. 2nd in a row.

We don't deserve the 3# seed anymore in my opinion so now we will have to sustain the #4 and that's it. Maybe not a bad thing because if the standings remain the same, we will face Miami instead of Milwaukee in the first round.

Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #388 on: April 03, 2010, 07:21:41 AM »

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Numbers may say differently but if that's the case I'd say the numbers are flawed.


I'd agree with you about any other stat, but saying these stats (after 1000+ minutes of data) are flawed is like saying 2+2 doesn't equal 4. It's just one of the facts. I like going by season long stats because basing it off of the latest week of games or so can skew your opinion.

Starting unit is dominant. The problem is when the bench guys start getting mixed in. Which can kill a team and is the main issue this team is facing right now.
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Re: Rockets (37-37) at Celtics (47-27) 4/2
« Reply #389 on: April 03, 2010, 09:42:26 AM »

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Another chance to tie it up with Atlanta gone. Looks more and more like we'll get Cleveland in the second round.

more concerned with the bucks in round one. that is going to be a very tough series