What is the best QB draft value?

[Eja117]

Other than the fact that I am in bed with Tim Tebow these days, which situation do you think presents the most value.

I gotta say I figure it's Tebow or McCoy. A lot of the same potential but a much lower price.

All that BS about Tebow never using a pro style offense is absurd. Neither did Bradford or McCoy. And did you see how many snaps the QBs took from the shotgun in the Super Bowl? Like 40%. If you're going to do that you may as well have a guy that can run like Robinson/Tebow/LeFavor

The one that used the pro style offense was Clausen. How'd the whole pro-style thing work out for Brady Quin? Or Matt Leinart?

[Donoghus]

Three guys I like from a pure "value" standpoint:

Colt McCoy

Tony Pike

Jevon Sneed

[Bahku]

Other than the fact that I am in bed with Tim Tebow these days, which situation do you think presents the most value.

I gotta say I figure it's Tebow or McCoy. A lot of the same potential but a much lower price.

All that BS about Tebow never using a pro style offense is absurd. Neither did Bradford or McCoy. And did you see how many snaps the QBs took from the shotgun in the Super Bowl? Like 40%. If you're going to do that you may as well have a guy that can run like Robinson/Tebow/LeFavor

The one that used the pro style offense was Clausen. How'd the whole pro-style thing work out for Brady Quin? Or Matt Leinart?

I like Tebow, but while he's been adjusting his throw, I'm not sure if he can do the same with his lower body. He's always back on his heels, and you've got to be on your toes/balls of the feet to throw in the NFL. I like McCoy, too, but I think he'll go in the first, and I don't want to commit to a QB that early. I like Pike and Edwards also ... but I'd lean toward Tebow if he could learn to adjust. Changing the lower body's a heckuva lot harder than changing delivery and release, though. We'll see.

[Bahku]

I'll add this about Tebow also: I have very rarely seen any college player with as much heart, hard work and determination as Tim Tebow, and that is a huge attribute to have in these days of numbers, stats and money. He is the kind of rare human being who, when he sets his mind to it, can truly accomplish miraculous things. That kind of attitude is never a bad thing to have on a team of ego-driven talent. That in itself makes me lean his way more than the others.

[Eja117]

The thing that bothers me is that there are very very few QBs who are successful right away that weren't given lots of help.

Maybe Flacco and Matt Ryan but Ryan was playing in an offense similar to college.

Peyton Manning had an ok rookie year where he threw like 1 interception more than TDs but he was on the phone with his father every night.

Sanchez already had great tackles, a decent RB, etc.

Stafford was given a 1rst round TE and had Calvin Johnson to throw to.

If you don't help a young QB you're screwed. Like Alex Smith. He's the last guy to come out of Urban Myer's offense. They gave him like 5 different offensive coordinators in 6 years. That's a joke.

If they let Tebow develop like he did in college where he gets a year or two to get 12 plays at QB, 3 at RB, and 3 at TE he'll learn great.

Look at a lot of great QBs. Brady took a year to learn and still didn't get in till Beldsoe got hurt.  McNabb was given a year to play in only the 3rd quarter.  Steve McNair didn't start till year 3.

Then look at the guys who were rushed in

Akili Smith
Ryan Leaf
Heath Shuler
JaMarcus Russell
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Tim Couch

Look at some guys who weren't rushed

Aaron Rodgers
Matt Hasselbeck
Dante Culpepper
Matt Shaub
Matt Cassell
Drew Brees
Chad Henne
Philip Rivers

It hardly even matters where they were drafted

[Eja117]

On second thought I might want to change my vote to Armanti Edwards

[Fafnir]

The one that used the pro style offense was Clausen. How'd the whole pro-style thing work out for Brady Quin? Or Matt Leinart?

Most QBs fail badly in the NFL.

I think value is a tough question to answer. If you're taking him in the first two rounds he has to be a franchise level QB. After that if you get any quality starts out of him you're happy.

Best QB the Bears have drafted in 20+ years was Kyle Orton.  

[KCattheStripe]

Three guys I like from a pure "value" standpoint:

Colt McCoy

Tony Pike

Jevon Sneed

As an Ole Miss student having watched Jevon for two years, his upside is Drew Bledsoe which can be terrific if you put an offensive line around him. But if you don't it will be extremely rough on him.

[Donoghus]

Three guys I like from a pure "value" standpoint:

Colt McCoy

Tony Pike

Jevon Sneed

As an Ole Miss student having watched Jevon for two years, his upside is Drew Bledsoe which can be terrific if you put an offensive line around him. But if you don't it will be extremely rough on him.

If you can get him in the 5th or 6th round, I think its a great value.  It may not pan out but I think he's potentially low-risk, somewhat high reward.

[Eja117]

The one that used the pro style offense was Clausen. How'd the whole pro-style thing work out for Brady Quin? Or Matt Leinart?

Most QBs fail badly in the NFL.

I think value is a tough question to answer. If you're taking him in the first two rounds he has to be a franchise level QB. After that if you get any quality starts out of him you're happy.

Best QB the Bears have drafted in 20+ years was Kyle Orton.  

Personally I see going to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as a major accomplishment.

Grossman. Now there's a guy that just won't go away. He's apparently gonna be able to battle Jason Campbell and Colt Brennan for the starting job in DC. That team has also scouted Bradford twice and had Tebow in for a private workout

[Eja117]

Whoever went against the grain and picked LeFevor in the 4th is smart. You get a Tebowish winner kinda guy with a lower pick and less than half the scrutiny and distraction

[KCattheStripe]

Three guys I like from a pure "value" standpoint:

Colt McCoy

Tony Pike

Jevon Sneed

As an Ole Miss student having watched Jevon for two years, his upside is Drew Bledsoe which can be terrific if you put an offensive line around him. But if you don't it will be extremely rough on him.

If you can get him in the 5th or 6th round, I think its a great value.  It may not pan out but I think he's potentially low-risk, somewhat high reward.

Agreed, he just took forever to get over the fact that Oher wasn't blocking his, pardon me, blind side anymore. Also, i think Nutt for a while was trying to keep him in Heisman talks, they stupidly didn't run the offense through Dexter for the first 4 games of the season, so Snead's numbers looked worse because of it.

[Fafnir]

Personally I see going to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as a major accomplishment.

Oh it was, for the rest of that team.

Dominant Defense, good running game, and dominant special teams. *sigh*

[Eja117]

The team that does something like this

1rst Spiller
2nd TE AAron Hernandez
3rd BC C Matt Tenant
4th Dan Lefavor
5th Flordia WR Riley Cooper
6th Utah WR David Reed
7th some random defensive guy who weighs 310lbs

will do a lot better than the team that does this

1 Sam Bradford
2 Navarro Bowman
3 Some Alabama CB that ran fast at the combine
4 Some upside WR like Andre Roberts from the  Citadel
5 Some big tackle with a big name but low punch and fundamentals like Ciron Black
6 Some small school rb like James Starks from Buffalo
7 Some big DT

ultimately I think it would do best to go with best talent available that fits.

I'd like to see a team I like do something more like this

1 Golden Tate from Charlie Weis offense
2 Tim Tebow
3 C Matt Tennant
4 TE Colin Peek from Nick Saban's Bama offense
5 RB LeGarret Blount
6 S Myrone Rolle - the Rhodes Scholar
7 RB Chris Brown from Oklahoma to push Blount

see what's happening here? Tons of good character overachieve hard work guys, one guy with a lot of talent that learned a tough lesson, and three guys that played in pro offenses to help Tebow while he learns.

The next year you do something similar while not going so heavy on offense but maybe for 2-3 years you mostly address the defense with college free agents, free agency, and the later rounds of the draft

[Eja117]

Did anyone see that Jon Gruden Qb camp thing on ESPN where he met with McCoy, Tebow, Bradford, and Claussen?

I'd say Claussen seems pretty smart

I didn't see McCoy.

I'm not seeing what sets Bradford apart from the other 3 so much so that you have to give the guy $50mill

I loved the way Tebow was all "yes sir. yes sir" and in a lot of ways seemed the most mature.

You can't even tell me that Tebow doesn't make Claussen look like a 12 year old and I think that matters

When Gruden was like "Tim, you know so many people out there are doubting you" he was automatically like "I just see it as a blessing cause it makes me work that much harder"

That whole kind of "yes sir. It's a blessing sir" stuff is catchy.

I hope he goes into politics some day.

I HAVE MAN LOVE FOR TEEEEEBOOOWWWW