BBD's Fruitless Hustle (revisited)

[EJPLAYA]

That tip-dunk against Washington blew my mind. I actually stood up off my couch and said "wow". I've seen him dunk before, but it takes lift and timing to do that. To me, it proves 2 things.

1. He's a smart offensive rebounder. The timing, the planning.All good for him to plan his jump through taller guys.

2. He has the ability to get up there. But he's still too bulky. If he wants to play many years in this league and make more than Scal money, then he's gotta tone up. He's a PF, not a C. Lose the flub so you can make more plays like that and stop getting your post shots stuffed by PGs.

No, go back and watch that dunk. I paused my DVR immediately and if you do you'll see that at the peak of his jump, when he got that ball, his elbow was 5-6" under the level of the rim. The guy is 6'8"! He took a running jump and was about as high as he could possibly get, and he can't even get his elbow near the rim. That's TERRIBLE! His timing was great on that ball. His hustle was great on that ball. His JUMP however was not great and this is exactly why the guy can't finish under the basket. Especially 2 footed jumping. He has a terrible vertical. Add the fact that he put on extra weight this offseason that he hasn't taken off and you know why he will never be an effective finisher around the rim.

[MBunge]

Now, I've seen KG do the same thing, in fact the other night he had more shots blocked than Glen, but when HE does it, there is very little criticism

Sometimes, you're just gonna get your shot blocked.  It happens.  The complaint about Davis is that he's constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do the same thing over and over again.  It's not entirely his fault because playing with Sheed seems to have changed the flow of the offense to where Davis is not getting those 17 ft jumpers and he's left to play inside.  But if you know you're prone to getting your shot blocked inside, you have to adjust your game.
  
Mike

Well, "constantly" would be an error, because the fact is that he's also scoring and making passes, (along with 4 RB/G, he's averaging 6 PPG and 0.8 APG, despite small minutes - 12 points against Philly), and doing so while being asked to defend taller opponents. I mean, the guy's only 6'9" and a Forward, yet constantly expected to play at Center, so he's at a disadvantage already. I think for his ability and what he's asked to do, he produces much more than he detracts.

I said constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do do the same thing over and over.

I just went over to 82games.com and looked up the stats on how frequently the Celtic bigs get their shot blocked.

KG gets 6% of close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Perk gets 15% of close in shots blocked, 12% of his jumpers.
Sheed gets 13% of his close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Shelden gets 18% of his close in shots blocked, 3% of his jumpers.
Scal gets 17% of his close in shots blocked, 0% of his jumpers.

And...

Glen Davis gets 29% of his close in shots blocked, 13% of his jumpers.  TWENTY-NINE PERCENT!  That is re-[dang]-diculous!

Mike

[EJPLAYA]

Now, I've seen KG do the same thing, in fact the other night he had more shots blocked than Glen, but when HE does it, there is very little criticism

Sometimes, you're just gonna get your shot blocked.  It happens.  The complaint about Davis is that he's constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do the same thing over and over again.  It's not entirely his fault because playing with Sheed seems to have changed the flow of the offense to where Davis is not getting those 17 ft jumpers and he's left to play inside.  But if you know you're prone to getting your shot blocked inside, you have to adjust your game.
  
Mike

Well, "constantly" would be an error, because the fact is that he's also scoring and making passes, (along with 4 RB/G, he's averaging 6 PPG and 0.8 APG, despite small minutes - 12 points against Philly), and doing so while being asked to defend taller opponents. I mean, the guy's only 6'9" and a Forward, yet constantly expected to play at Center, so he's at a disadvantage already. I think for his ability and what he's asked to do, he produces much more than he detracts.

I said constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do do the same thing over and over.

I just went over to 82games.com and looked up the stats on how frequently the Celtic bigs get their shot blocked.

KG gets 6% of close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Perk gets 15% of close in shots blocked, 12% of his jumpers.
Sheed gets 13% of his close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Shelden gets 18% of his close in shots blocked, 3% of his jumpers.
Scal gets 17% of his close in shots blocked, 0% of his jumpers.

And...

Glen Davis gets 29% of his close in shots blocked, 13% of his jumpers.  TWENTY-NINE PERCENT!  That is re-[dang]-diculous!

Mike

TP for those stats. That IS ridiculous. Why isn't the coaching staff in his ear about this. If they are and he won't listen I guarantee that Shelden is willing to...

[2short]

Its funny how Charles Barkley, Adrian Dantley and others could be on the low post at 6'5" or so and excel.  I like davis getting the rebounds but he hasn't worked enough to take most shots he does.  As many have stated he needs to kick the ball out to our group of shooter, pp, ray, kg, sheed the list goes on and on.  Doc needs to explain to him he's nearly the last option.   That isn't a knock, Daniels is nearly last option when he's on the court and he lets offense come with flow of game.
Perk has improved every year, I am not sure if people remember how bad he was.  He can be a black hole on offense but what he has is single coverage with space.  I love his jump hook and have no problem with him taking it.
Davis can take pick & pop jumpers and an occassional running hook/layup.  Besides that I only want him playing within the TEAM GAME.
No mention of davis' putback dunk ? who knew he had the hops?

Dantley had alot of moves, had inside scoring touch and was lankier than BBD. Barkley was a freight train of an athlete especially in his earlier years.

Glen just isnt that skilled offensively and not that athletic.

What BBD can do is shoot, which we are missing out on this year, and hustle his butt off. He has boundless energy and there is alot to be said for that.

He really is the perfect big off the bench if utilized properly.

Davis is 6'8 or so.  Dantley was 6'5.  And not very athletic either, at least in the 2nd half of his career.  He just had a knack, and a huge butt that he would create space with.  Baby should watch some tape of these guys, because he should have sufficient butt to do some Dantley style stuff down there.

someone who remember dantly properly!  He wasn't a leaper but used that butt to his advantage AND pump faked to death (just like tommy mentioned davis should be doing).  Dantley lived on the ft line but also passed the ball out when needed hint hint

[liam]

Now, I've seen KG do the same thing, in fact the other night he had more shots blocked than Glen, but when HE does it, there is very little criticism

Sometimes, you're just gonna get your shot blocked.  It happens.  The complaint about Davis is that he's constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do the same thing over and over again.  It's not entirely his fault because playing with Sheed seems to have changed the flow of the offense to where Davis is not getting those 17 ft jumpers and he's left to play inside.  But if you know you're prone to getting your shot blocked inside, you have to adjust your game.
  
Mike

Well, "constantly" would be an error, because the fact is that he's also scoring and making passes, (along with 4 RB/G, he's averaging 6 PPG and 0.8 APG, despite small minutes - 12 points against Philly), and doing so while being asked to defend taller opponents. I mean, the guy's only 6'9" and a Forward, yet constantly expected to play at Center, so he's at a disadvantage already. I think for his ability and what he's asked to do, he produces much more than he detracts.

I said constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do do the same thing over and over.

I just went over to 82games.com and looked up the stats on how frequently the Celtic bigs get their shot blocked.

KG gets 6% of close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Perk gets 15% of close in shots blocked, 12% of his jumpers.
Sheed gets 13% of his close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Shelden gets 18% of his close in shots blocked, 3% of his jumpers.
Scal gets 17% of his close in shots blocked, 0% of his jumpers.

And...

Glen Davis gets 29% of his close in shots blocked, 13% of his jumpers.  TWENTY-NINE PERCENT!  That is re-[dang]-diculous!

Mike

TP for those stats. That IS ridiculous. Why isn't the coaching staff in his ear about this. If they are and he won't listen I guarantee that Shelden is willing to...

It seems like more. Plus he never passes the ball once he gets a rebound, so his offensive rebounds are not a positive stat.

[liam]

Now, I've seen KG do the same thing, in fact the other night he had more shots blocked than Glen, but when HE does it, there is very little criticism

Sometimes, you're just gonna get your shot blocked.  It happens.  The complaint about Davis is that he's constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do the same thing over and over again.  It's not entirely his fault because playing with Sheed seems to have changed the flow of the offense to where Davis is not getting those 17 ft jumpers and he's left to play inside.  But if you know you're prone to getting your shot blocked inside, you have to adjust your game.
  
Mike

Well, "constantly" would be an error, because the fact is that he's also scoring and making passes, (along with 4 RB/G, he's averaging 6 PPG and 0.8 APG, despite small minutes - 12 points against Philly), and doing so while being asked to defend taller opponents. I mean, the guy's only 6'9" and a Forward, yet constantly expected to play at Center, so he's at a disadvantage already. I think for his ability and what he's asked to do, he produces much more than he detracts.

I said constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do do the same thing over and over.

I just went over to 82games.com and looked up the stats on how frequently the Celtic bigs get their shot blocked.

KG gets 6% of close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Perk gets 15% of close in shots blocked, 12% of his jumpers.
Sheed gets 13% of his close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Shelden gets 18% of his close in shots blocked, 3% of his jumpers.
Scal gets 17% of his close in shots blocked, 0% of his jumpers.

And...

Glen Davis gets 29% of his close in shots blocked, 13% of his jumpers.  TWENTY-NINE PERCENT!  That is re-[dang]-diculous!

Mike

TP for those stats. That IS ridiculous. Why isn't the coaching staff in his ear about this. If they are and he won't listen I guarantee that Shelden is willing to...

It seems like more. Plus he never passes the ball once he gets a rebound, so his offensive rebounds a not a positive stat.

Yeah his new nick name should be "The Black hole" he's got the mass for it!

[Redz]

Now, I've seen KG do the same thing, in fact the other night he had more shots blocked than Glen, but when HE does it, there is very little criticism

Sometimes, you're just gonna get your shot blocked.  It happens.  The complaint about Davis is that he's constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do the same thing over and over again.  It's not entirely his fault because playing with Sheed seems to have changed the flow of the offense to where Davis is not getting those 17 ft jumpers and he's left to play inside.  But if you know you're prone to getting your shot blocked inside, you have to adjust your game.
  
Mike

Well, "constantly" would be an error, because the fact is that he's also scoring and making passes, (along with 4 RB/G, he's averaging 6 PPG and 0.8 APG, despite small minutes - 12 points against Philly), and doing so while being asked to defend taller opponents. I mean, the guy's only 6'9" and a Forward, yet constantly expected to play at Center, so he's at a disadvantage already. I think for his ability and what he's asked to do, he produces much more than he detracts.

I said constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do do the same thing over and over.

I just went over to 82games.com and looked up the stats on how frequently the Celtic bigs get their shot blocked.

KG gets 6% of close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Perk gets 15% of close in shots blocked, 12% of his jumpers.
Sheed gets 13% of his close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Shelden gets 18% of his close in shots blocked, 3% of his jumpers.
Scal gets 17% of his close in shots blocked, 0% of his jumpers.

And...

Glen Davis gets 29% of his close in shots blocked, 13% of his jumpers.  TWENTY-NINE PERCENT!  That is re-[dang]-diculous!

Mike

TP for those stats. That IS ridiculous. Why isn't the coaching staff in his ear about this. If they are and he won't listen I guarantee that Shelden is willing to...

This probably answers a question I had the other night.  Are the Celtics, as a team, the most frequently blocked EVER?  Is there a team stat available on there?  This has to lead the league.

[Who]

I still think Glen Davis could be a cross between Udonis Haslem and David West if he dropped 40lbs.

That would be a hell of a player!

I really would. It's a shame that Davis doesn't lose the weight. Wasted potential.

With his defensive ability + jump shooting ability + cerebral feel for the game ... I think he could be one heck of a player with increased mobility/athleticism that he'd get from being at a lower weight. At that point he'd be a natural power forward instead of undersized center who is too slow to play the four at a good level.

[Fafnir]

This probably answers a question I had the other night.  Are the Celtics, as a team, the most frequently blocked EVER?  Is there a team stat available on there?  This has to lead the league.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html

You can look at opponent's statistics and see how many blocked shots the Celtics have had this year. It doesn't account for pace but we're middle of the pack in the league in raw numbers.

Just eyeballing the list the Bobcats have had 80 more blocked shots at us and play at a slower pace. So I don't think the 2009-2010 Celtics are epically bad in this respect.

BBD himself is getting blocked at a crazy rate. I'll poke around to see if that's a record, I doubt it though.

[wdleehi]

Looking at this thread and the member that started it, it leads to one question,



Which fruit will help Davis more, Apples or Oranges?

[BballTim]

Now, I've seen KG do the same thing, in fact the other night he had more shots blocked than Glen, but when HE does it, there is very little criticism

Sometimes, you're just gonna get your shot blocked.  It happens.  The complaint about Davis is that he's constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do the same thing over and over again.  It's not entirely his fault because playing with Sheed seems to have changed the flow of the offense to where Davis is not getting those 17 ft jumpers and he's left to play inside.  But if you know you're prone to getting your shot blocked inside, you have to adjust your game.
  
Mike

Well, "constantly" would be an error, because the fact is that he's also scoring and making passes, (along with 4 RB/G, he's averaging 6 PPG and 0.8 APG, despite small minutes - 12 points against Philly), and doing so while being asked to defend taller opponents. I mean, the guy's only 6'9" and a Forward, yet constantly expected to play at Center, so he's at a disadvantage already. I think for his ability and what he's asked to do, he produces much more than he detracts.

I said constantly getting his shot blocked trying to do do the same thing over and over.

I just went over to 82games.com and looked up the stats on how frequently the Celtic bigs get their shot blocked.

KG gets 6% of close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Perk gets 15% of close in shots blocked, 12% of his jumpers.
Sheed gets 13% of his close in shots blocked, 2% of his jumpers.
Shelden gets 18% of his close in shots blocked, 3% of his jumpers.
Scal gets 17% of his close in shots blocked, 0% of his jumpers.

And...

Glen Davis gets 29% of his close in shots blocked, 13% of his jumpers.  TWENTY-NINE PERCENT!  That is re-[dang]-diculous!

Mike

TP for those stats. That IS ridiculous. Why isn't the coaching staff in his ear about this. If they are and he won't listen I guarantee that Shelden is willing to...

This probably answers a question I had the other night.  Are the Celtics, as a team, the most frequently blocked EVER?  Is there a team stat available on there?  This has to lead the league.

  You can get the block rates n 82games. We're probably around 10th. On the plus side we block slightly more shots than we have blocked in spite of the fact that our opponents take a few more jump shots than we do.

[Fafnir]

Looking at this thread and the member that started it, it leads to one question,



Which fruit will help Davis more, Apples or Oranges?

The answer is pineapple.

[Redz]

Looking at this thread and the member that started it, it leads to one question,



Which fruit will help Davis more, Apples or Oranges?

troll 

[Redz]

Looking at this thread and the member that started it, it leads to one question,



Which fruit will help Davis more, Apples or Oranges?

The answer is pineapple.

or bacon

[Chris]

Looking at this thread and the member that started it, it leads to one question,



Which fruit will help Davis more, Apples or Oranges?

The answer is pineapple.

or bacon

I think Davis has already discovered the wonders of Bacon.