BBD's Fruitless Hustle (revisited)

[Redz]

Well he had enough hustle to make the NBA's top ten plays for sunday. #9

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr_HDNHsbTk

Maybe this wouldn't be a bad rule of thumb for Big Baby at this point:  if you can't get an immediate dunk off an offensive board, kick it out.  Think: Dennis Rodman.

[Bahku]

I find it a bit odd that there's a negative BBD thread following a game where KG didn't even get a field-goal. How many shots did Garnet get blocked last night? Certainly as many as Glen. What positives did Sheed or Marquis or TA or the rest of the bench bring? Not much, and yet we're talknig about how BBD's "hustle" is a bad thing? Sorry ... don't get it. At times last night, the only two players doing ANYTHING were Glen and Ray, and despite the negativity about him, "hustle" and positive enrgy is contagious, and it was the ONE thing most lacking last night that BBD brought back to the game. (Of course that's in my very humble and irrelevant opinion. )

The two aren't mutually exclusive. 

I don't know if you got the proper gist of my post.  I am not knocking Baby for his hustle (I said as much several times), I just would like that hustle to equate to something more productive, more frequently.

I also wish a few more Celts would follow his lead and attack the glass.  Baby's not the biggest guy on the court, but a little position, and a lot of determination go a long way in rebounding.

Oh, I agree, Redz ... and I wasn't bashing your post, (sorry if it came across that way), just saying that I see more positive than negative from him, and that there are much bigger problems on this team than the few immature mistakes he makes. I think he's continually called upon to over-achieve, because he almost ALWAYS has to defend someone taller or stronger or more dominating at that position, and I'm not surprised he gets some shots blocked. As far as kicking it out, he should certainly be looking to do that more, though in games like last night's, he was being swallowed-up by four blue shirts and NO ONE in green was rotating to help out or try to get open ... in other words, he was given no choice but to go back up with it. I completely agree that his game needs work, I just think there are more deficient areas on this team right now, and that Glen will certainly be getting the proper criticism from the coaching staff and his team members. I have always loved the energy he brings to the court, and even most of his mistakes are made attempting to do the correct thing ... hustling and fighting for the ball. Players like Sheed, however, are close to useless at this point, yet he somehow gets a pass very often because of his "veteran" status. I personally would rather have BBD on the floor than Sheed anytime. I agree with your reasoning, just not with the conclusion.

[wdleehi]

I wish he showed a little more hustle when attacking the defensive boards.



I think he needs to pass out more often on those offensive rebounds.

[Bankshot]

He just needs to learn to kick it out when he doesn't have a shot.

Funny that people get on Baby about this, because Perk is an absolute black hole and never passes either when he doesn't have a shot. Perk probably does it though because he knows he'll turn it over when he tries to pass it.

But yeah, Baby absolutely needs to pass it when he is surrounded under the rim.  I think he'll get it.

[moiso]

Maybe he thinks that if he's the only one busting his butt to get the ball, then it's his shot to take when he gets it.  I was always taught that if I get an offensive rebound to go back up with it.  The problem is that Baby is like a child playing with men down there.  He will always struggle underneath.  Someone mentioned that maybe he should get back to those 15 ft jumpers and he may have a point.  If Baby has a couple of 15 footers under his belt, he may be less likely to force shots up underneath the rim.

[2short]

Its funny how Charles Barkley, Adrian Dantley and others could be on the low post at 6'5" or so and excel.  I like davis getting the rebounds but he hasn't worked enough to take most shots he does.  As many have stated he needs to kick the ball out to our group of shooter, pp, ray, kg, sheed the list goes on and on.  Doc needs to explain to him he's nearly the last option.   That isn't a knock, Daniels is nearly last option when he's on the court and he lets offense come with flow of game.
Perk has improved every year, I am not sure if people remember how bad he was.  He can be a black hole on offense but what he has is single coverage with space.  I love his jump hook and have no problem with him taking it.
Davis can take pick & pop jumpers and an occassional running hook/layup.  Besides that I only want him playing within the TEAM GAME.
No mention of davis' putback dunk ? who knew he had the hops?

[wdleehi]

Its funny how Charles Barkley, Adrian Dantley and others could be on the low post at 6'5" or so and excel.  I like davis getting the rebounds but he hasn't worked enough to take most shots he does.  As many have stated he needs to kick the ball out to our group of shooter, pp, ray, kg, sheed the list goes on and on.  Doc needs to explain to him he's nearly the last option.   That isn't a knock, Daniels is nearly last option when he's on the court and he lets offense come with flow of game.
Perk has improved every year, I am not sure if people remember how bad he was.  He can be a black hole on offense but what he has is single coverage with space.  I love his jump hook and have no problem with him taking it.
Davis can take pick & pop jumpers and an occassional running hook/layup.  Besides that I only want him playing within the TEAM GAME.
No mention of davis' putback dunk ? who knew he had the hops?

Barkley could jump with power.  His shot came from a higher point then Davis.

[Greenbean]

Glen is not an effective finisher inside. It's unfortunate but it is true and Im not sure he can get better.

His game should be the midrange which he developed nicely last year but those shots arent there in the 2nd unit unfortunately.

What needs to be communicated to him is whenever he gets an offensive rebound....kick it out!!!!!! He consistently tries to go up in double coverage and that leads to the majority of his swats.

Someone should be telling this guy to only look for shots in the flow of the offense.

His hustle, OR, and overall energy can be contagious though so I dont want to sit him. He's still adjusting to his new role so while he still frustrates, he's contributing alot more now than he was earlier in the season.

[moiso]

Its funny how Charles Barkley, Adrian Dantley and others could be on the low post at 6'5" or so and excel.  I like davis getting the rebounds but he hasn't worked enough to take most shots he does.  As many have stated he needs to kick the ball out to our group of shooter, pp, ray, kg, sheed the list goes on and on.  Doc needs to explain to him he's nearly the last option.   That isn't a knock, Daniels is nearly last option when he's on the court and he lets offense come with flow of game.
Perk has improved every year, I am not sure if people remember how bad he was.  He can be a black hole on offense but what he has is single coverage with space.  I love his jump hook and have no problem with him taking it.
Davis can take pick & pop jumpers and an occassional running hook/layup.  Besides that I only want him playing within the TEAM GAME.
No mention of davis' putback dunk ? who knew he had the hops?

There have been lots of short guys who were good finishers inside.  Mark Aguire was another one.  It's not height and jumping ability with most of them.  It's mostly skill and smarts.  Baby could improve some, but those guys just had a knack that Baby won't ever be able to match.  Much like Tony Allen will never shoot like Ray Allen even though they have similar bodies and athletic ability.  Some have certain skills, some never will.

[Greenbean]

Its funny how Charles Barkley, Adrian Dantley and others could be on the low post at 6'5" or so and excel.  I like davis getting the rebounds but he hasn't worked enough to take most shots he does.  As many have stated he needs to kick the ball out to our group of shooter, pp, ray, kg, sheed the list goes on and on.  Doc needs to explain to him he's nearly the last option.   That isn't a knock, Daniels is nearly last option when he's on the court and he lets offense come with flow of game.
Perk has improved every year, I am not sure if people remember how bad he was.  He can be a black hole on offense but what he has is single coverage with space.  I love his jump hook and have no problem with him taking it.
Davis can take pick & pop jumpers and an occassional running hook/layup.  Besides that I only want him playing within the TEAM GAME.
No mention of davis' putback dunk ? who knew he had the hops?

Dantley had alot of moves, had inside scoring touch and was lankier than BBD. Barkley was a freight train of an athlete especially in his earlier years.

Glen just isnt that skilled offensively and not that athletic.

What BBD can do is shoot, which we are missing out on this year, and hustle his butt off. He has boundless energy and there is alot to be said for that.

He really is the perfect big off the bench if utilized properly.

[looseball]

Big Baby always manages to keep the pressure on the other team.  Even if he's having trouble finishing off plays, the other team has their hands full trying to stop him.

When all is said and done, you want your bench to keep the pressure on the other team the whole time they're in there, whatever ways they're capable of.  This is how you make teams crack at the end of games, when the starters are back in to take over.

[Chris]

I think the biggest problem for Davis is that he is now playing every night, despite the matchups.  He is always going to have trouble if he gets trapped in tight, but against certain matchups (like the Wizards), he can be completely useless offensively, because of their length.  In the past, they had Powe to even that out, but unfortunately, that is not the case anymore, and Shelden has not proven to have a well rounded enough game to help any more against those teams.

[moiso]

Its funny how Charles Barkley, Adrian Dantley and others could be on the low post at 6'5" or so and excel.  I like davis getting the rebounds but he hasn't worked enough to take most shots he does.  As many have stated he needs to kick the ball out to our group of shooter, pp, ray, kg, sheed the list goes on and on.  Doc needs to explain to him he's nearly the last option.   That isn't a knock, Daniels is nearly last option when he's on the court and he lets offense come with flow of game.
Perk has improved every year, I am not sure if people remember how bad he was.  He can be a black hole on offense but what he has is single coverage with space.  I love his jump hook and have no problem with him taking it.
Davis can take pick & pop jumpers and an occassional running hook/layup.  Besides that I only want him playing within the TEAM GAME.
No mention of davis' putback dunk ? who knew he had the hops?

Dantley had alot of moves, had inside scoring touch and was lankier than BBD. Barkley was a freight train of an athlete especially in his earlier years.

Glen just isnt that skilled offensively and not that athletic.

What BBD can do is shoot, which we are missing out on this year, and hustle his butt off. He has boundless energy and there is alot to be said for that.

He really is the perfect big off the bench if utilized properly.

Davis is 6'8 or so.  Dantley was 6'5.  And not very athletic either, at least in the 2nd half of his career.  He just had a knack, and a huge butt that he would create space with.  Baby should watch some tape of these guys, because he should have sufficient butt to do some Dantley style stuff down there.

[td450]

Its not necessarily size or athleticism, although those things always help. The biggest problem BBD has is his center of balance. He is rarely centered when he gets his shot blocked

Once you are out of balance, it is pretty obvious to a defender where you have to shoot from. Examples of guys who are uncanny at getting shots off inside against bigger guys are Pierce and Daniels. They both get inside while maintaining balance, so their last move gives them multiple options to separate from the defender.

[moiso]

True, he is usually off balance instead of exploding to the blue sky.  As big, strong, and nimble as he is, he does a poor job of creating blue sky.