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Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 02:47:20 PM »

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It was Granger last year.
Thank you. He had a solid case for MIP.

Also, there's no way the media would overlook his high scoring + annual scoring increases. Rondo never stood a chance.

Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2010, 03:09:46 PM »

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Chris Bosh?

22.7pts 10.0reb 2.5ast .497FG
24.5pts 11.4reb 2.4ast .525FG

And the Raptors are much better.

Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2010, 03:09:55 PM »

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my pick this season is Brook Lopez
seasons:
08-09 13pts,8.1boards,79%FT
09-10 19pts,9boards,81%FT

Good point, but I think anybody on that Nets team is automatically removed from award considerations (perhaps unfairly).

I expect Brook Lopez to be an All-Star within the next two years, though.
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Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2010, 03:13:55 PM »

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my pick this season is Brook Lopez
seasons:
08-09 13pts,8.1boards,79%FT
09-10 19pts,9boards,81%FT

Good point, but I think anybody on that Nets team is automatically removed from award considerations (perhaps unfairly).

I expect Brook Lopez to be an All-Star within the next two years, though.
huh when you look at numbers they aren't drastically higher
he is a guy I want the c's to go after

Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2010, 06:42:19 PM »

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Ah, I had totally forgotten Gerald Wallace! But I just checked his stats and his improvement is not that big. I think he is the favorite but only if his team makes the playoffs.

Maybe Josh Smith too, although his stats have not improved that much either. Brook Lopez is disqualified because of his team's record.

Thanks for the additions about the other possible candidates, I really didn't have a clue about it strangely (it seems to me that most of the talk has been on 6th man of the year this season).

Now that I reconsider my opinion, I would say that Rondo is not the favorite but I still like his chances.

Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2010, 07:09:42 PM »

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Aaron Brooks. Brook Lopez second and maybe Rondo third.
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Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2010, 07:14:16 PM »

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Lopez got unlucky IMO.  I think he would be the clear cut favorite if NJ were half way decent.  I think Aaron Brooks shouldn't be overlooked

Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2010, 07:22:44 PM »

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I don't think Rondo will even finish in the top 5
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Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2010, 08:13:26 PM »

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It was Granger last year.
Thank you. He had a solid case for MIP.

Also, there's no way the media would overlook his high scoring + annual scoring increases. Rondo never stood a chance.

I thought MIP was among the great injustices of last season's awards as I'm not sure anyone offered a viable contest to Durant in that realm. In addition to increasing his scoring average by five points per game (I know Granger's jump was almost six), the jump in Durant's efficiency was incredible (and it allowed him to pick up the scoring with nothing more than a nominal increase in his usage rate, whereas Granger's jumped significantly), going from less than 52 percent true shooting to nearly 58 TS%.

Durant also made a significant jump in rebound rate, while Granger declined noticeably there.

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Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2010, 08:27:25 PM »

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It was Granger last year.
Thank you. He had a solid case for MIP.

Also, there's no way the media would overlook his high scoring + annual scoring increases. Rondo never stood a chance.

I thought MIP was among the great injustices of last season's awards as I'm not sure anyone offered a viable contest to Durant in that realm. In addition to increasing his scoring average by five points per game (I know Granger's jump was almost six), the jump in Durant's efficiency was incredible (and it allowed him to pick up the scoring with nothing more than a nominal increase in his usage rate, whereas Granger's jumped significantly), going from less than 52 percent true shooting to nearly 58 TS%.

Durant also made a significant jump in rebound rate, while Granger declined noticeably there.

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Excellent observation....as usual

BTW, almost the exact same case could be made this year for Durant as he has almost a 5 point jump in average, a 5 point jump in PER, and a high points/40, rebounds/40, rebound ratio and a TS% over 60%
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Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2010, 08:59:28 PM »

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It was Granger last year.
Thank you. He had a solid case for MIP.

Also, there's no way the media would overlook his high scoring + annual scoring increases. Rondo never stood a chance.

I thought MIP was among the great injustices of last season's awards as I'm not sure anyone offered a viable contest to Durant in that realm. In addition to increasing his scoring average by five points per game (I know Granger's jump was almost six), the jump in Durant's efficiency was incredible (and it allowed him to pick up the scoring with nothing more than a nominal increase in his usage rate, whereas Granger's jumped significantly), going from less than 52 percent true shooting to nearly 58 TS%.

Durant also made a significant jump in rebound rate, while Granger declined noticeably there.

-sw
Excellent observation....as usual

BTW, almost the exact same case could be made this year for Durant as he has almost a 5 point jump in average, a 5 point jump in PER, and a high points/40, rebounds/40, rebound ratio and a TS% over 60%
I think it's Durant's defensive improvement that is most impressive this season.

Last year, his awful defensive contributions negated a large portion of his positive offensive + rebounding contributions ... but now he's turned himself into a useful if unimpressive defensive player.

The difference is borderline All-Star to MVP candidate.

Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2010, 09:48:21 PM »

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I don't know, but I have to say I love Rondo as a player. I have high/unreasonable expectations for just about every rookie who joins the Celtics and Rondo has been the only guy who's never let me down. There hasn't been a season where he failed to meet my expectations. Each year he develops leaps and bounds making me question just how good I think he can be. The guy is just and absolute pleasure to watch play basketball, I hope he's a Celtic for life. I honestly don't know if there's a point guard he can't surpass, at least in today's NBA.

Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2010, 09:36:50 PM »

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Agree with you, ManUp. What a pleasure to watch this guy. I loved him from the day I first saw him play. He OWNS the court. But hey, remember, in fandomland, one is only as good as his previous 2 games. It's a good thing Doc doesn't see it that way. Rhondo is going to go down in history as one of the greatest point guards of all time. And wow, look at how young he is. Totally amazing player.

Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2010, 12:35:14 AM »

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The reason why I don't consider Rondo a contender for MIP is that  he was so impressive last year in the playoffs.

Irregardless, I am really happy that he might average 10 assists per game this season.

Re: Do you think Rondo is the favorite for MIP?
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2010, 12:55:10 AM »

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It was Granger last year.
Thank you. He had a solid case for MIP.

Also, there's no way the media would overlook his high scoring + annual scoring increases. Rondo never stood a chance.

I thought MIP was among the great injustices of last season's awards as I'm not sure anyone offered a viable contest to Durant in that realm. In addition to increasing his scoring average by five points per game (I know Granger's jump was almost six), the jump in Durant's efficiency was incredible (and it allowed him to pick up the scoring with nothing more than a nominal increase in his usage rate, whereas Granger's jumped significantly), going from less than 52 percent true shooting to nearly 58 TS%.

Durant also made a significant jump in rebound rate, while Granger declined noticeably there.

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Steve, you make a good point.

However, I think the Most Improved Player Award is like the Most Valuable Player Award in that it is not meant literally - it has some implied provisions.

It could be argued that the MVP Award generally applies to the most impressive, most exciting, most clutch, most dominating player in the league (and not necessarily the player who is most important to his team's success).  Kobe, for example, is perennially considered a MVP contender even though he perennially plays with a pretty outstanding cast.  Dwyane Wade, by contrast, has to carry his team pretty much night in and night out, yet he receives at most a similar level of consideration.  In the last couple of years, LeBron has rightly received recognition as the MVP because he is both the most dominant player in the league as well as absolutely integral to his team's success - Cleveland would be utterly lost without him.

Similarly, the Most Improved Player Award seems to be reserved for a previously unheralded player who elevates himself to the next level - whether that means going from role player to starter or starter to All-Star. 

By that token, I don't think Durant is ever really going to be a candidate for the award.  He's too well known.  Everybody knows Kevin Durant is one of the budding young superstars in the league.  It's practically a matter of course that he is going to improve by leaps and bounds every year (quite literally in fact).  The MIP Award, quite rightly in my opinion, seems to be used to highlight the efforts of a lesser known player to make a name for himself.

As such, the Boris Diaws, Monta Ellis's, Hedo Turkoglus, Danny Grangers, and Gerald Wallaces of the league deserve to get the award, even if they aren't in truth the players who literally improved the most.  I'm willing to bet that not many of the average NBA fans could tell you who Danny Granger was before winning that award.  Honestly, they probably still can't.  But the average NBA fan almost certainly knows who Kevin Durant is.  He is going to be a 1st tier star throughout his career no matter what he does.  In all likelihood, he'll win the MVP someday anyway.  Players who make themselves into second tier stars through hard work deserve to get some recognition, and that's what the MIP Award does.
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