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Doc Is the Answer-Reason
« on: March 03, 2010, 10:28:22 AM »

Offline Pucaccia

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Notice how against the Pistons, when Nate was in the game, they called New York plays.  Did you see how dominant the second unit was. The Pistons didn't know how to adjust. It wasn't so much that New York has better plays, it was that Celtics broke the pattern and did something different. 
I have always felt that the play calling or the approach to the game has gotten stale and predictable. By the second half, the other teams make the adjustment.  Just imagine eating Salmon and Mashed potatoes every day.  You become predictable,bored and uninspired.
Doc needs to mix it up, become less predictable.  We simply need new plays; new attack. The other team will be off balance, and the Celts will be infused with a new dimension and new energy.

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2010, 10:33:15 AM »

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Well, I think Doc is putting in new sets all the time.

Ultimately, I don't disagree that the offense should be diversified a bit, but I don't think you can really point to last night as an example of why.  I think there is an even stronger argument that the second unit played so well last night because Robinson is a pretty good offensive player, and they were able to get him running plays he was comfortable with.

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2010, 10:36:58 AM »

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Notice how against the Pistons, when Nate was in the game, they called New York plays.  Did you see how dominant the second unit was. The Pistons didn't know how to adjust. It wasn't so much that New York has better plays, it was that Celtics broke the pattern and did something different. 
I have always felt that the play calling or the approach to the game has gotten stale and predictable. By the second half, the other teams make the adjustment.  Just imagine eating Salmon and Mashed potatoes every day.  You become predictable,bored and uninspired.
Doc needs to mix it up, become less predictable.  We simply need new plays; new attack. The other team will be off balance, and the Celts will be infused with a new dimension and new energy.

I didn't see the game yesterday, but I have thought this for awhile too.  I've never been a fan of our offense, even in the banner year. It is predictable and they seem to have to work so hard to get anything flowing.
Back to wanting Joe fired.

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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2010, 10:44:09 AM »

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Well, I think you have to commend Doc for making that implementation.

The ability to adapt and make adjustments are what strong coaches should be able to do for their team.

I know Red always proclaimed that you have to be the aggressors, but sometimes you can't....sometimes the other team is stronger and faster and just flat out better. You have to make the adjustments, either at halftime or after a timeout.

I like Tommy bringing up the "press unit"...now I am no fan of Rick Pitino style basketball, but making subtle adjustments during the course of the game can change the continuity and the momentum of that particular game in a quick instant.

Phil Jackson would always use Pippen to pressure the opposing ball handler during cruch time or just to change the nature of that particular game.

Now I know we don't have a Scottie Pippen, but if we've looked at how we are as a team coming out of the half time intermission....whatever we are doing or were doing was not working for I dunno 75% of the season so far.

Sometimes stubborness kills.

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2010, 10:47:14 AM »

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doc is using a new high screen with ray for 3 ptrs that seems to work nicely
i really really really wish he'd stop the pp handling ball at end of quarters/games
give it to rondo he makes more happen

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2010, 10:53:12 AM »

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Doc should review his substitutions pattern in hurry because they are killing us... I put a lot of the blame on Doc for his poor substitutions and lack of adjustment. He sticks to his gameplan 99% of the time and it kills us.

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2010, 11:17:31 AM »

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doc is using a new high screen with ray for 3 ptrs that seems to work nicely
i really really really wish he'd stop the pp handling ball at end of quarters/games
give it to rondo he makes more happen

Rondo's up over .600 now on FTs, which means he's probably around .700 since his horrid start of the season.  And the better he is at FTs the more the ball will be in his hands at the end of the game.

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2010, 11:31:48 AM »

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Doc should review his substitutions pattern in hurry because they are killing us... I put a lot of the blame on Doc for his poor substitutions and lack of adjustment. He sticks to his gameplan 99% of the time and it kills us.

Yes.  Exactly

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2010, 12:18:56 PM »

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Doc should review his substitutions pattern in hurry because they are killing us... I put a lot of the blame on Doc for his poor substitutions and lack of adjustment. He sticks to his gameplan 99% of the time and it kills us.

Yes.  Exactly
You guys are thinking correctly IMO.  Last night, Doc rode a good thing in Nate, TA, Quisy, BBD and Sheldon but held on just a little too long.  He waits until the run is clearly over to make substitutions and that is not the way to graft back in your starters.

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2010, 12:48:34 PM »

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Doc did good - but his offensive tactics have always been fairly advanced.  The team under him has been as good as there is in drawing up stuff to run out of timeouts.  His substitution patterns can be questioned - but when he was first here they were called arbitrary (remember how many people whined he did not have a rotation) and now they complain about the opposite.  The only major thing I disagree with Doc on this season is that Shelden has not been bad enough to totally mothball - especially when Sheed has spent entire quarters jogging through rotations and making me yearn for Antoine Walker with his shot selection.

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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2010, 01:14:25 PM »

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doc is using a new high screen with ray for 3 ptrs that seems to work nicely
i really really really wish he'd stop the pp handling ball at end of quarters/games
give it to rondo he makes more happen

Rondo's up over .600 now on FTs, which means he's probably around .700 since his horrid start of the season.  And the better he is at FTs the more the ball will be in his hands at the end of the game.
agree, i think it was mental, he will end up being a good ft and 3 pt shooter in a few years
he also has the attitude that he wants the ball at the end of the game (good thing)

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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2010, 02:04:22 PM »

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Doc was quoted in today's Globe saying: "It's been proven, the more you stay the same, the better you get."

Good advice when you're teaching, but coaching demands more.

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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2010, 02:30:43 PM »

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I agree that you have to keep adding wrinkles to keep ahead of the competition. However, the time to add bigger more noticable wrinkles is in the playoffs. At the same time I think this is a big reason why this league has shifted to a defense oriented style of play. It is much easier to maintain elite defense than it is to stay fresh on offense. Defense relies on effort and intensity (controllable) while a good offense needs to be much less predictable and relies on skill and athleticism moreso than defense. A good defensive team has a longer shelf life than a good offensive team.

See Rasheeds Kung Fu reference today for further visualization.  ;)

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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2010, 03:07:52 PM »

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Doc was quoted in today's Globe saying: "It's been proven, the more you stay the same, the better you get."

Good advice when you're teaching, but coaching demands more.

I am pretty darn sure that the more you "stay the same" the more you don't improve.

I believe what Doc means to say is that repetition can lead to mastery, but after that skill is mastered you are just stuck at that level...you need to find something else higher to master. This is where you have to adapt and staying the same won't do it for you.

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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2010, 03:36:53 PM »

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Just generally give the bench a lot more burn in games.  They're all relatively young, and we have BBD and Sheed trying to play themselves into shape. 

Also, Doc should try to run more plays for the captain.  He seems to not be getting any of his shots within the offense, or off of any sort of plays.
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