Is it smarter to rest the Big Three(not tank) for the rest the regular season ?

[P2]

We can't do it on purpose, but if we end up 6th or 7th best in the league, that would be great pick-wise.

[Greenbean]

And they've never done it with prideful people like Danny and Doc in charge and Paul Pierce playing on it

That was tanking to get the best chance at the top pick, not the 17th pick.

Also, at that time there were way different expectations. The fans WANTED them to tank. We were not expecting a championship.

This year we all were expecting championship caliber basketball. Thus far we have been let down by those expectations. But to go as far as saying tank the rest of the season would be such a swing I dont think I could fathom it.

Just the fact that you suggest it, a poster who I usually agree with when i read your stuff, tells me this really is rock bottom for our Celtics. We can only go up from here though. lets not continue the spiral by having tanking discussions.

Edit: Can we also remove these  ? I hate them. They hurt my feelings.

[JSD]

Do we have to call it tanking? Can't we just say "Let's rest our starters and get them 100% for the playoffs"

[Jon Niednagel]

I don't know if they need to tank. I do, however, think they need to make a bold move in the off season.

I'll get negative Tommy-points for what I'm about to say, but I would trade Paul and the first-round pick for some established youth on draft night. Personally, I think the Sixers would be a perfect trade partner even though they are in the same division. They need cash savings, and the Princeton offense is all wrong for the type of players they have (everyone but Brand that is). If I were Danny I would see how open they were to trading Paul, Perk, and the first for Iggy, Dalembert, and Young. Gives the C's much needed youth and athleticism while staying competitive. The Sixers get to push reset while getting back talented players to complement Brand.

RR, NR (Re-signed), Vet minimum player
RA (re-signed), MD (re-signed w/MLE)
AI, TY, ML
KG, GD, SW (re-signed)
SD, RW, 2nd pick

Regardless of what they do, I'd really like to see the team transition into a younger, athletic running team built around Rondo.

[Q_FBE]

Will somebody please delete this thread?

[vinnie]

Rest Pierce as long as he needs to rest, but why would you rest other players if they don't need to?

I'm OK with reducing Ray's and Rondo's minutes (I think Doc will do it once Nate is fully integrated to the system) but there is no need for resting KG, on the contrary, he needs to play to improve his conditioning, he is looking better game after game so why would you stop the process?

There is no need for draft picks, and if we can secure the 2nd or 3rd spot in the East (and we can), we have to do so because it's a tight race with Orlando and Atlanta and the difference is so thin that it would be stupid to stop competing now.

If we were down by 5 or 6 games behind them for the 2nd or 3rd spot, I would consider your idea but right now... no.

And yes, this team can still win a championship this season, it's not a matter of green tinted glasses.

KG is NOT looking better game to game. He is still plaing well some games and playing not so well in others. Last night he played well in the first half and completely disappeared in the second.

[PLamb]

Do we have to call it tanking? Can't we just say "Let's rest our starters and get them 100% for the playoffs"

Okay...

I like that

Let's....ummmm....rest our aging beat up starters until say April 4th and then let them play the final 6 games of the regular season as a way to get back in shape for the playoffs

Those last 6 games will be against

New York
Toronto
Washington
Milwaukee
Chicago
Milwaukee

I nice little stretch of games to get back into shape during and then make a run during the playoffs with a rested healthy team

Who cares if we are the 3rd seed or the 7th or 8th seed

But going forward it will make a huge difference if we are picking 15th-20th in the draft or 25th-30th

Last 20 years the amount of All-Stars chosen between 15 and 20 is 11 or 9.1% chance of selecting an All-Star

Danny Granger
David West
Zach Randolph
Jamaal Magliore
Ron Artest
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Jermaine O'Neal
Steve Nash
Theo Ratliff
Chris Gatling

Last 20 years the amount of All-Stars chosen between 25 and 30 is 4 or 3.3% chance of selecting an All-Star

David Lee
Gerald Wallace
Tony Parker
Josh Howard

It's almost 3 times more likely that you will choose an All-Star in the 15-20 position in the draft as it is that you will pick one in the 25-30 position


For....ummm....resting some older, injured, banged up veterans for a possible healthier run at a championship it's not to bad that a side effect of such....rest....would be a nearly 300% better chance at landing an All-Star in a very deep draft

[JSD]

Do we have to call it tanking? Can't we just say "Let's rest our starters and get them 100% for the playoffs"

Okay...

I like that

Let's....ummmm....rest our aging beat up starters until say April 4th and then let them play the final 6 games of the regular season as a way to get back in shape for the playoffs

Those last 6 games will be against

New York
Toronto
Washington
Milwaukee
Chicago
Milwaukee

I nice little stretch of games to get back into shape during and then make a run during the playoffs with a rested healthy team

Who cares if we are the 3rd seed or the 7th or 8th seed

But going forward it will make a huge difference if we are picking 15th-20th in the draft or 25th-30th

Last 20 years the amount of All-Stars chosen between 15 and 20 is 11 or 9.1% chance of selecting an All-Star

Danny Granger
David West
Zach Randolph
Jamaal Magliore
Ron Artest
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Jermaine O'Neal
Steve Nash
Theo Ratliff
Chris Gatling

Last 20 years the amount of All-Stars chosen between 25 and 30 is 4 or 3.3% chance of selecting an All-Star

David Lee
Gerald Wallace
Tony Parker
Josh Howard

It's almost 3 times more likely that you will choose an All-Star in the 15-20 position in the draft as it is that you will pick one in the 25-30 position


For....ummm....resting some older, injured, banged up veterans for a possible healthier run at a championship it's not to bad that a side effect of such....rest....would be a nearly 300% better chance at landing an All-Star in a very deep draft

Great points, and there's no denying the numbers but don't you feel better eliminating the word "tanking"? Resting our guys for the playoffs just sounds better and there's a ton of perks that come along with it.

[RAcker]

These threads pop up after every loss.   

[Greenbean]

Do we have to call it tanking? Can't we just say "Let's rest our starters and get them 100% for the playoffs"

Okay...

I like that

Let's....ummmm....rest our aging beat up starters until say April 4th and then let them play the final 6 games of the regular season as a way to get back in shape for the playoffs

Those last 6 games will be against

New York
Toronto
Washington
Milwaukee
Chicago
Milwaukee

I nice little stretch of games to get back into shape during and then make a run during the playoffs with a rested healthy team

Who cares if we are the 3rd seed or the 7th or 8th seed

But going forward it will make a huge difference if we are picking 15th-20th in the draft or 25th-30th

Last 20 years the amount of All-Stars chosen between 15 and 20 is 11 or 9.1% chance of selecting an All-Star

Danny Granger
David West
Zach Randolph
Jamaal Magliore
Ron Artest
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Jermaine O'Neal
Steve Nash
Theo Ratliff
Chris Gatling

Last 20 years the amount of All-Stars chosen between 25 and 30 is 4 or 3.3% chance of selecting an All-Star

David Lee
Gerald Wallace
Tony Parker
Josh Howard

It's almost 3 times more likely that you will choose an All-Star in the 15-20 position in the draft as it is that you will pick one in the 25-30 position


For....ummm....resting some older, injured, banged up veterans for a possible healthier run at a championship it's not to bad that a side effect of such....rest....would be a nearly 300% better chance at landing an All-Star in a very deep draft

I can guarantee you though if the Celtics decide to rest starters, their motivation will not be getting a higher draft pick.

Its also kind of funny that I would want the four guys you listed that were picked 25-30 than any of the 11 guys you listed that were picked 15-20.

Bottom line is that the draft is a crap shoot outside of the top 10. We need some Celtics luck to draft our next all star. I dont want to mess that up wih any tanking. It's bad karma.

I understand your side of the argument I just dont think your stats back up your argument as much as you think they do.

[vinnie]

The whole idea of resting our aging starters until April 4 and then hoping they all get back together and start playing like magic in the playoffs is ludicrous.

[PLamb]

Do we have to call it tanking? Can't we just say "Let's rest our starters and get them 100% for the playoffs"

Okay...

I like that

Let's....ummmm....rest our aging beat up starters until say April 4th and then let them play the final 6 games of the regular season as a way to get back in shape for the playoffs

Those last 6 games will be against

New York
Toronto
Washington
Milwaukee
Chicago
Milwaukee

I nice little stretch of games to get back into shape during and then make a run during the playoffs with a rested healthy team

Who cares if we are the 3rd seed or the 7th or 8th seed

But going forward it will make a huge difference if we are picking 15th-20th in the draft or 25th-30th

Last 20 years the amount of All-Stars chosen between 15 and 20 is 11 or 9.1% chance of selecting an All-Star

Danny Granger
David West
Zach Randolph
Jamaal Magliore
Ron Artest
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Jermaine O'Neal
Steve Nash
Theo Ratliff
Chris Gatling

Last 20 years the amount of All-Stars chosen between 25 and 30 is 4 or 3.3% chance of selecting an All-Star

David Lee
Gerald Wallace
Tony Parker
Josh Howard

It's almost 3 times more likely that you will choose an All-Star in the 15-20 position in the draft as it is that you will pick one in the 25-30 position


For....ummm....resting some older, injured, banged up veterans for a possible healthier run at a championship it's not to bad that a side effect of such....rest....would be a nearly 300% better chance at landing an All-Star in a very deep draft

Great points, and there's no denying the numbers but don't you feel better eliminating the word "tanking"? Resting our guys for the playoffs just sounds better and there's a ton of perks that come along with it.

Okay you got me

It does sound better

[MBz]

Though I can't complain really about a higher draft pick.  I can see it helping this team.  Being able to get a guy like Craig Brackins or Edke Udoh to get some real size on the bench.  They are both older guys, a little more mature who could probably play right away.  Another guy who would prob be around in the early 2nd round would be Dexter Pittman.  A big boy who could really give us some size inside.  Brackins would be a great pick around there though, a 6'10 guy, nice long arms, he has a nice midrange game.  Really would like to see him in green.

[PLamb]

I change the title

Is that better

[Evantime34]

Much  better, this thread title I can get on board with. I'd rest them for the next 15-20 games so that they can have about ten games to get their rhythm.