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Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2010, 05:51:43 PM »

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I agree with Hollinger, I don't think we are a contender anymore.  The guy who disappoints me the most is Perkins. Seems to be p---ed off at his team-mates, and just doesn't seem to care, or work very hard, on both sides of court.  Ray is fine, and KG is so so. Pierce will be fine come play-off time, and Rondo has stepped up. But without a strong Perkins, we are not going to get out of the first round.

Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2010, 05:52:35 PM »

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He said the same thing any objective observer would after the last couple of months.  The C's haven't exactly looked like contenders over that stretch...and say what you will about injuries and whatnot, the product on the court did not suggest a champion--not because of the record, but by playing such poor ball.

So...do we have to win w/o PP and Quisy to show we're a contender?  I don't think so.  We need to:

1)  Look solid defensively for 48 minutes, not just on LeBra, but as a team-intensity, sharp rotations, hands-up, etc...get stops when absolutely needed, and get multiple stops in a row for stretches.

2)  We need to score-doesn't matter who or how, but going on 6-minute scoring droughts is no good, and we should be good enough that someone can buy a bucket if we really need one, even w/o PP, even if its at the FT line or looks like garbage.

3)  Hold our own on the boards.

Even if we don't win, we need to look good sharp.  We can't fold.  The last few games have been encouraging on the floor (though I've been secretly wondering whether we came out of the gate after the break so well because we needed the rest?).  We'll need to sustain the recent solid play to be taken seriously. A "flash" of solid play isn't enough--even young hotshots and way-past prime teams can show flashes; we need to prove it every night.  We haven't come close to that, excluding the 1st half/4th quarter spurts, which are only fool's gold, rather than a sign of a contender.

Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2010, 06:00:32 PM »

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has he not seen Ray Allen going for over 20 in 4 straight games while shooting really good % ?
Ray Allen has been scoring 20+ppg but he is doing so on a true shooting percentage of 75.5%. That type of shooting is not sustainable. His scoring is a flash in the pan. It'll come right back down again.

Once you account for the ridiculously hot shooting + He would have been at 18.5ppg if posting a TS% of around 59.5% ... the other difference during the streak was that Ray was playing big minutes + being slightly more aggressive in looking for his shot basically because he was knocking down everything in sight. Add that second consideration and Ray is right back down around his usual scoring per game numbers (16ppg).

I don't think we should make too much of Ray's performances over the last few days. It's not sustainable.

It's obviously not sustainable, but it's pretty darn good for a guy that everyone said was washed up a few weeks ago. I was very nervous for Ray since his TS% and 3 pt% had slipped this season, but this is a good start on his path to being a great offensive player again.

And I hate Hollinger. He loved us when we had Big Al and Rondo, and then hated us when we cashed in our assets. His PER is a major screw up and people sadly put a lot of value into it.

I'm pretty sure this is entirely untrue. He was a major major backer for most of the 2007-2008 season.

He's not a Boston guy. He's a national guy and sees what he sees. Right now, we are not very impressive. We're an improved version of the Spurs, but i don't know if we're better than Dallas, and we seem to be behind Denver, LA, Orlando, Cleveland and quite possibly Atlanta. I'm not sure how a non-Boston fan is going to have any reason to claim the C's are clearly at the top of the East.

He said Lakers in 6 after we had one of the most statistically dominating seasons and stats are his thing. I'm obviously just going off of my own memory when I bring out the word "hate", but I flipped my POV on this guy during that 07-08 campaign.

Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2010, 06:01:49 PM »

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Well, I don't agree with the notion that we aren't a contender anymore; however, I'll agree with the notion that we haven't played like it recently.  And let's face it, though the last 5 games or so things have improved, it's still just 5 games and only 1 was a true blowout.  

So I can't blame Hollinger for not being back on the bandwagon yet.  Let's also remember, that he likely didn't see any (or at least many) of those games.


Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2010, 06:02:20 PM »

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I don't agree with him, but an objective observer watching the Knicks game the other night might have some serious doubts about us too. Just sayin'
we also didn't have PP playing and Nate playing in his first game.

Then again, neither of them would have been covering Lee who basically waltzed down the lane all night.

Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2010, 06:47:04 PM »

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has he not seen Ray Allen going for over 20 in 4 straight games while shooting really good % ?
Ray Allen has been scoring 20+ppg but he is doing so on a true shooting percentage of 75.5%. That type of shooting is not sustainable. His scoring is a flash in the pan. It'll come right back down again.

Once you account for the ridiculously hot shooting + He would have been at 18.5ppg if posting a TS% of around 59.5% ... the other difference during the streak was that Ray was playing big minutes + being slightly more aggressive in looking for his shot basically because he was knocking down everything in sight. Add that second consideration and Ray is right back down around his usual scoring per game numbers (16ppg).

I don't think we should make too much of Ray's performances over the last few days. It's not sustainable.

It's obviously not sustainable, but it's pretty darn good for a guy that everyone said was washed up a few weeks ago. I was very nervous for Ray since his TS% and 3 pt% had slipped this season, but this is a good start on his path to being a great offensive player again.

And I hate Hollinger. He loved us when we had Big Al and Rondo, and then hated us when we cashed in our assets. His PER is a major screw up and people sadly put a lot of value into it.

I'm pretty sure this is entirely untrue. He was a major major backer for most of the 2007-2008 season.

He's not a Boston guy. He's a national guy and sees what he sees. Right now, we are not very impressive. We're an improved version of the Spurs, but i don't know if we're better than Dallas, and we seem to be behind Denver, LA, Orlando, Cleveland and quite possibly Atlanta. I'm not sure how a non-Boston fan is going to have any reason to claim the C's are clearly at the top of the East.

He said Lakers in 6 after we had one of the most statistically dominating seasons and stats are his thing. I'm obviously just going off of my own memory when I bring out the word "hate", but I flipped my POV on this guy during that 07-08 campaign.


well, again, going into the playoffs he had us as heavy favorites. Then LA bulldozered through the playoffs, and we took 7 games to beat Atlanta, 5 or 6 against Detroit, then 7 again against a one-trick Cleveland team, a team that actually outplayed us overall throughout that series. I'm not sure that re-evaluating at that point is that surprising to any non-boston fan.

Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2010, 06:50:36 PM »

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Hey John, what are you looking for in tonights game in Beantown?
John Hollinger
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Reasons I should still consider Boston a contender. I've been struggling to find them lately.

What is he talking about ?

has he not seen Ray Allen going for over 20 in 4 straight games while shooting really good % ?

Has he not seen KG looking really good in the past 5 games?
(By the way I must admit I was wrong about KG, He won't get back to 2008, but he can reach about 80%)

How about we added a huge boost to the bench with Nate?


I think there have been a lot of reasons to be optimistic about the C's title chances lately .

  Has he been saying this all year, or just since the injuries struck?

Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2010, 07:44:00 PM »

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He said the same thing any objective observer would after the last couple of months.  The C's haven't exactly looked like contenders over that stretch...and say what you will about injuries and whatnot, the product on the court did not suggest a champion--not because of the record, but by playing such poor ball.

It's all relative.  There's no clear line dividing championship and non-championship teams.  The Celtics don't look like a dominant championship team, but arguably no team out there looks supremely dominant, so this team doesn't need to be as good as 07-08 to be legitimate championship contenders.  Of course, that's if KG and PP are in reasonable health.  There's no getting around that point.  The new troika could be 28 and their health would still be the main concern.  At least Doc is forced to rest them when they are injured.
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Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2010, 07:45:17 PM »

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he thought they were desperately thin most of the season - Sheed was not good last season AND daniels has been snakebit with injuries his whole career ... though a healthy garnett made them a factor

now - the team looked great against portland, very good against LA, kind of meh against Denver (understandably) and quite bad against NY ...

Re: Hollinger on the C's
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2010, 08:03:41 PM »

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The Celts may not be the favorites to win it all this year, but I think this team is still a legit title contender. The post season is a totally new ballgame. We've seen #8 seeds knock out #1 seeds, a #6 seed winning it all (Rockets), etc. With a little luck and players getting healthier, who knows...the Celtics may just surprise us all!