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Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2010, 03:49:45 PM »

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If Perk is ever going to be traded , it's going to be this off-season. Perk is going to be up for an extension after next year probably in the 8-10 mil per year range. Danny already offered Perk for the # 2 pick last year( Thabeet). If you can get an allstar caliber SG,SF,or PF for Perk and pieces I think you have to do it . KG ,Ray and PP will be another year older and we will have to replace them eventually.

Also there are plenty of good centers that could be had for the MLE this off-season.

Brad Miller
Shaq
Big Z
Haywood
Marcus Camby
Jermaine O'Neal

As much as I love Perk, if we could add one of those centers(except maybe camby , he's too skinny) plus an all-star caliber player in a Perk trade we would improve our chances at winning a title.

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2010, 03:58:59 PM »

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If Perk is ever going to be traded , it's going to be this off-season. Perk is going to be up for an extension after next year probably in the 8-10 mil per year range. Danny already offered Perk for the # 2 pick last year( Thabeet). If you can get an allstar caliber SG,SF,or PF for Perk and pieces I think you have to do it . KG ,Ray and PP will be another year older and we will have to replace them eventually.

Also there are plenty of good centers that could be had for the MLE this off-season.

Brad Miller
Shaq
Big Z
Haywood
Marcus Camby
Jermaine O'Neal

As much as I love Perk, if we could add one of those centers(except maybe camby , he's too skinny) plus an all-star caliber player in a Perk trade we would improve our chances at winning a title.

Shaq would help - though he is horrendous defensively (our identity) and more likely to show up tubby than Rasheed

Jermaine O'Neal has the health and body of a 92 year old man ... can still defend like gangbusters, but his back is so creaky

Camby is best on a running team, which we are not

none of the other guys listed are upgrades on Perk ...

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2010, 04:02:44 PM »

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If Perk is ever going to be traded , it's going to be this off-season. Perk is going to be up for an extension after next year probably in the 8-10 mil per year range. Danny already offered Perk for the # 2 pick last year( Thabeet). If you can get an allstar caliber SG,SF,or PF for Perk and pieces I think you have to do it . KG ,Ray and PP will be another year older and we will have to replace them eventually.

Also there are plenty of good centers that could be had for the MLE this off-season.

Brad Miller
Shaq
Big Z
Haywood
Marcus Camby
Jermaine O'Neal

As much as I love Perk, if we could add one of those centers(except maybe camby , he's too skinny) plus an all-star caliber player in a Perk trade we would improve our chances at winning a title.

Shaq would help - though he is horrendous defensively (our identity) and more likely to show up tubby than Rasheed

Jermaine O'Neal has the health and body of a 92 year old man ... can still defend like gangbusters, but his back is so creaky

Camby is best on a running team, which we are not

none of the other guys listed are upgrades on Perk ...

Those guys alone aren't upgrades , I agree, but one of those centers plus whatever we get back for Perk could be. They wouldn't trade Perk for nothing.

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2010, 04:12:12 PM »

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Looks like someone is having post-deadline trade scenario withdrawls. ;)

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Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2010, 04:17:49 PM »

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Perk isn't even close to 8-10 million.

Perk is $5-7 million man.
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Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2010, 04:18:19 PM »

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none of the other guys listed are upgrades on Perk ...

If you are looking for an upgrade over Perk from that list, then you are missing the point.  The goal here isn't to find a better Center.  The goal is to turn Perk into a better building-block for the future, and then taking advantage of the strong Center FA market this summer to find a passable replacement at Center for next year.

I think another twist is the fact that KG may be more suited to play Center now that he is slowing down, and cannot keep up with some of the quicker PF's in the league.  So it might make sense to switch KG over to Center, and try to upgrade at PF.  

I don't think it is crazy to think KG could reinvent himself as a crafty center, and even play another 4 or 5 years at a decent level.  So if the C's can get strong value for Perk, then it may be worth it.

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2010, 04:36:42 PM »

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Perk isn't even close to 8-10 million.

Perk is $5-7 million man.

positionally?  absolutely.  good big men are rare - good defensive big men rarer still.  Chris Bosh, Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Andrew Bogut, Brook Lopez ... the name of guys distinctly better than Perk dry up very very quickly ... other team's players always look more attractive

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2010, 04:53:05 PM »

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Perk's current deal ($4M per) was a sweetheart deal the second he signed it, and he wasn't one-quarter the player he is now.  How much would a team like Cleveland pay for a guy who can slow down Dwight Howard one-on-one? 

He's a $10M man IF he gives the C's a hometown discount.  I don't think he gets an extension, though, because Danny's looking two years down the road and doesn't want any more contracts on the books.  You've committed to Rondo, and there's no way they don't keep Pierce around.  You can't have three $10M players AND have enough cap space to bring in a difference-maker.

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2010, 05:33:51 PM »

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Perk's earned himself a good contract, as well; he's a $10M/yr man on his next deal. 

Disagree. More like a 6-8 mm per.  His stock has gone down this season, especially the last two months.

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2010, 05:50:20 PM »

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I'm a bit worn down from all the pre-deadline trade smack, but this is one of the biggies this offseason.  

Q:  Will Perk want to avoid going into a contract year (with the pressure to stay healthy and perform coupled with the trade talk) and seek an extension for money that allows flexibility for the team and security for himself?  We'll see.  If he really loves Boston, he can sign for MLE-level money, plus a trade bonus/kicker or some other restriction or incentive...perhaps a title bonus like Ray has or something.

If not, he gets traded.  That simple.  It would be foolish to limit the team's flexibility to keep a player that is best as a 4th or 5th option.  A great defensive team that can only score 70 points is going to the lottery, and that's what we'd have building around Rondo and Perk.

In this busy offseason, Danny may have to come to:

1) come to terms with 3 starters:  Ray Allen, PP if/when he opts out, and Perk

2) contracts for (hopefully) 2 of the 3 key reserves, Nate and Quisy,

3)  and then fill out the rest of the non-rotation team, like TA, Shelden, and whomever else

4) Find out what can be added w/the MLE,

5) while tending to drafting 2 rookies, and (hopefully) using summer league and training camp to audition young talent for the rest of the roster spots.

There was a "Perkins" thread a week or two ago.  I suggested this would be the time to trade him, and got a strong response, largely that Perk is pretty much irreplacable, can't be upgraded reasonably, loves the C's, best defensive center around, building block with Rondo, etc.  And it's true that he may be worth $10 million, and a title-caliber center, but the rest of the team needs to be title-worthy, too.  It won't happen if Perk gets too big a portion of the pie.  This summer, if he doesn't come to a friendly extension quickly, trading him will be on Danny's list.

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2010, 06:03:08 PM »

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I'm a bit worn down from all the pre-deadline trade smack, but this is one of the biggies this offseason.  

Q:  Will Perk want to avoid going into a contract year (with the pressure to stay healthy and perform coupled with the trade talk) and seek an extension for money that allows flexibility for the team and security for himself?  We'll see.  If he really loves Boston, he can sign for MLE-level money, plus a trade bonus/kicker or some other restriction or incentive...perhaps a title bonus like Ray has or something.

If not, he gets traded.  That simple.  It would be foolish to limit the team's flexibility to keep a player that is best as a 4th or 5th option.  A great defensive team that can only score 70 points is going to the lottery, and that's what we'd have building around Rondo and Perk.

In this busy offseason, Danny may have to come to:

1) come to terms with 3 starters:  Ray Allen, PP if/when he opts out, and Perk

2) contracts for (hopefully) 2 of the 3 key reserves, Nate and Quisy,

3)  and then fill out the rest of the non-rotation team, like TA, Shelden, and whomever else

4) Find out what can be added w/the MLE,

5) while tending to drafting 2 rookies, and (hopefully) using summer league and training camp to audition young talent for the rest of the roster spots.

There was a "Perkins" thread a week or two ago.  I suggested this would be the time to trade him, and got a strong response, largely that Perk is pretty much irreplacable, can't be upgraded reasonably, loves the C's, best defensive center around, building block with Rondo, etc.  And it's true that he may be worth $10 million, and a title-caliber center, but the rest of the team needs to be title-worthy, too.  It won't happen if Perk gets too big a portion of the pie.  This summer, if he doesn't come to a friendly extension quickly, trading him will be on Danny's list.

I agree 100%. I am a huge Perk fan but also a realist. He is a GREAT 4th/5th option. If he is going to ask for a huge contract we cannot afford to keep him. I really want him to stay and expect him to stay, but if his agent gets it into his head that he could get a lot of money, we have to let him go (trade).
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Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2010, 08:00:07 PM »

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Brendan Haywood is a young player and currently is doing tremendous stake in the Mavericks ... I like that option and then as a second choice to David Lee.

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2010, 08:45:54 PM »

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Brendan Haywood is a young player and currently is doing tremendous stake in the Mavericks ... I like that option and then as a second choice to David Lee.

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Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2010, 09:13:12 PM »

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Perk's earned himself a good contract, as well; he's a $10M/yr man on his next deal. 

Disagree. More like a 6-8 mm per.  His stock has gone down this season, especially the last two months.

he has played better than Haywood all season - but it's funny how doing the little things actually is underappreciated

i put 8-10 million because of the position - not because he is as good as Kevin Martin ... having just him and Rondo under contract at the end of 2012 is not a bad place to be contractually ... especially if the team is still doing some sort of winning

Re: Perkins trade scenario
« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2010, 10:14:54 PM »

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If Perk is ever going to be traded , it's going to be this off-season. Perk is going to be up for an extension after next year probably in the 8-10 mil per year range. Danny already offered Perk for the # 2 pick last year( Thabeet). If you can get an allstar caliber SG,SF,or PF for Perk and pieces I think you have to do it . KG ,Ray and PP will be another year older and we will have to replace them eventually.

Also there are plenty of good centers that could be had for the MLE this off-season.

Brad Miller
Shaq
Big Z
Haywood
Marcus Camby
Jermaine O'Neal

As much as I love Perk, if we could add one of those centers(except maybe camby , he's too skinny) plus an all-star caliber player in a Perk trade we would improve our chances at winning a title.

Shaq would help - though he is horrendous defensively (our identity) and more likely to show up tubby than Rasheed

Jermaine O'Neal has the health and body of a 92 year old man ... can still defend like gangbusters, but his back is so creaky

Camby is best on a running team, which we are not

none of the other guys listed are upgrades on Perk ...

Those guys alone aren't upgrades , I agree, but one of those centers plus whatever we get back for Perk could be. They wouldn't trade Perk for nothing.
Every one of your suggested replacements is one the downside of their career.  ALL OF THEM.

Perk is in his mid-20's, very solid defensively and constantly improving offensively.  So what if he's the 4th or 5th option on this team.  Look who he's on the floor with.  3 HOF's and an all-star PG. 

He plays a position that's hard to fill with quality, nevermind young quality.  I wouldn't move him for anything less than a real sweetheart deal where part of that is a good young Center or a really high draft pick in a draft with good centers coming out.