Time to sit BBD and give Shelden Some Run

[wdleehi]

I would only reduce Davis' minutes to give more to Perk.


I would not give them the the 6th/emergancy big man on the team. 

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Funny how everyone looks at Sheldon and swears they know his game...He hardly ever plays, how much of him has anyone really seen.
He should at least get scal's minutes.....Sheldon has shown a lot of potential to a lot of people...except doc. And no, practice has very little to do with playing time.....what do you think pro's actually do in practice...? Sheldons hands seem slow or fishy because he hardly gets any playing time. Anyone who has ever played real time knows game time rebounds are not at all like anything else, impossible to simulate. Give the guy some real time minutes, start him, play him  a few games, then we'll see what he can do or not. You guys sure lower the bar of expectations for scal. BBD has his own issues, he can't jump or dunk, did not lose the weight he should have, and for a guy making a large amount of $$$, he doesn't show ANY improvement. Remember, this is all he has to do everyday, he doesn't go to work first, then play at night. All he has to do is work on his game and get in shape, he is young and able, neither he, nor any of them have any excuse for being overweight and not developing something more dependable, like a few post moves, or a decent shot.

[Bossco]

I want to remind everyone about how Leon Powe was treated before he started getting steady minutes.

Leon had 25 dnpcds out of the first 37 games of 07/08. He played a total of only 60 minutes in the 12 games he did play in (4.85 mpg), he had 19 total rebs (1.58 rpg), he scored 37 points for a 3 ppg average.

After seeing those numbers would anyone ever imagine that HE could play? Evidently doc didn't think so either, that is why he didn't play him in the first half of that year.

Shelden already put up solid numbers when he was given playing time. He already helped us win some games. Why is he all of a sudden banished to the pine like he is a stiff?

He should be used even if it is sparingly.

I don't usually trust doc's ability to know who can or should play, when and how much.

I know that this is not a pressing issue, but I just find it odd that Shelden Williams can't get on the court now even after he did a pretty good job when he was called upon before.

[mmbaby]

Doc did play sheldon quite a bit previously this season. He had his chances. But he didn't shine. He collected fouls.
BBD is doing great, improving in a lot of ways and still needs to work on his jump shot, though all in all, is playing great. Elyja player, you keep harping on past mistakes like you are totally obsessed or possessed. I'd really hate to have you for a coach or a parent or a teacher. MOVE ON, life goes on.

[xmuscularghandix]

Wrong. BBD is playing good for this team, he's giving us a force on the offensive boards that that will win us games.

[Slugger]

Interesting bringing this up after a game where he had 4 offensive rebounds, and one game ago from where he pretty much saved the game with his defense. Great timing.

Yes, and 3 out of those 4 he got blocked going back up. That sure produced a lot. Sure glad we had those points on the board… Not sure what game you were watching, but I really don't recall him "saving the game" for us against the Trailblazers. A couple nice plays drawing charges in 23 minutes doesn't seem that impressive. He shot 3-8 from the floor. Only had 2 rebounds during that game. How about mentioning all the blocks he is getting called for in the rest of the games since he is too fat to move quickly enough into position to draw the charge.

The fact is the guy acted the fool in the offseason and broke his hand causing him to miss a lot of games. While he was gone a guy came in and played his butt off and filled his shoes nicely and was able to increase the results rebounding the basketball. Not only did BBD cause himself to miss those games, he comes back fatter than last year which has made his defensive rotations slow. His shooting percentage is down. He can't shoot from the outside for some reason anymore. Why reward the guy for bad behavior and lazy conditioning. He brings so much less to the game than all you BBD fans try to portray. We were a better team with Shelden.

It stopped two potential 3-point plays that might've put the game in the around the 7 point range in the mist of a major Blazer run. Those plays were huge, and that you think nothing of them just makes you lose pretty much most the credibility you have in this issue.

We know you hate the guy... it's no news here. But come on.

And by the way, I don't even like the guy. I think he's phony.

Do you mean that in a good way?

Like, man, that Micheal Jordan's so phony!

[Tai]

You know, I'm shocked Shelden can't catch the ball with how long he's been in the league.

Anyways: 1st column's offensive rebounds, 2nd column's defensive rebounds, third column's total rebounds.

BBD: 2.1 2.0 4.1

Shelden: 0.9 2.3 3.2

This myth that Shelden can rebound better than BBD is kinda silly. As far as I see, and no offense to EJPLAYA, but people see BBD getting blocked in the post and then make topics like this. It's definitely a weakness, but it doesn't suddenly mean you throw Shelden out there.

BBD's better. Does it mean Shelden should be benched completely? Probably not. But don't fool yourself on Shelden just cause he can jump. It's the same kind of talk that people used to say Bill Walker can play, yet Bill Walker can't even get off the bench for the Knicks in two games, while Eddie's getting 30+ minutes.

[soap07]

He has taken a few charges due to just standing there,

Well, that's the only way you can draw a charge so...

[Slugger]

He has taken a few charges due to just standing there,

Well, that's the only way you can draw a charge so...

Classic.  TP

[Roy Hobbs]

You know, I'm shocked Shelden can't catch the ball with how long he's been in the league.

Anyways: 1st column's offensive rebounds, 2nd column's defensive rebounds, third column's total rebounds.

BBD: 2.1 2.0 4.1

Shelden: 0.9 2.3 3.2

This myth that Shelden can rebound better than BBD is kinda silly. 

I'm not sure it's a "myth" or the argument is "silly".  I mean, how can you just look at the raw numbers of players who play unequal minutes, and come to a conclusion?

Rebounds per 36 minute:

BBD: 4.5 off, 4.2 def, 8.7 total
SW: 2.8 off, 6.8 def, 9.6 total

Rebound rate:

BBD: 16.0% off, 13.9% def, 14.9% total
SW: 10.0% off, 22.2% def, 16.4% total

Link

Based upon the numbers, then, it's not a "myth" that Williams is a better overall rebounder, it's a fact.  BBD gets more offensive boards, but Williams crushes him on the defensive end.

[Birdbrain]

Not a surprising topic for this blog.  I guess someone didn't actually 'listen' when Doris Burke spoke the other day.

Sheldon Williams is here to provide the practice for the actual players with talent.  

The only reason he ' crushes ' on the defensive boards is because he camps out in the paint and can't guard anyone that's not a center and can't move.

My guess is only you way you see him is someone gets hurt out of Perkins or Wallace.

[EJPLAYA]

You know, I'm shocked Shelden can't catch the ball with how long he's been in the league.

Anyways: 1st column's offensive rebounds, 2nd column's defensive rebounds, third column's total rebounds.

BBD: 2.1 2.0 4.1

Shelden: 0.9 2.3 3.2

This myth that Shelden can rebound better than BBD is kinda silly. 

I'm not sure it's a "myth" or the argument is "silly".  I mean, how can you just look at the raw numbers of players who play unequal minutes, and come to a conclusion?

Rebounds per 36 minute:

BBD: 4.5 off, 4.2 def, 8.7 total
SW: 2.8 off, 6.8 def, 9.6 total

Rebound rate:

BBD: 16.0% off, 13.9% def, 14.9% total
SW: 10.0% off, 22.2% def, 16.4% total

Link

Based upon the numbers, then, it's not a "myth" that Williams is a better overall rebounder, it's a fact.  BBD gets more offensive boards, but Williams crushes him on the defensive end.

Exactly, and considering Shelden has been rebounding at a high rate his entire career where BBD has been doing it only for a handful of games I'd also say it isn't a fluke.  BBD can't convert those offensive rebounds around the rim due to his inability to jump either, which makes them less beneficial. Either he needs to drop some pounds and find a way to score down low (not likely) or learn to pass those back out when he gets them so we can get a decent shot.

[Fafnir]

Shelden doesn't offer much else other than defensive rebounding though. BBD crashing the offensive glass is important, we need more offensive boards.

[SalmonAndMashedPotatoes]

You know, I'm shocked Shelden can't catch the ball with how long he's been in the league.

Anyways: 1st column's offensive rebounds, 2nd column's defensive rebounds, third column's total rebounds.

BBD: 2.1 2.0 4.1

Shelden: 0.9 2.3 3.2

This myth that Shelden can rebound better than BBD is kinda silly. 

I'm not sure it's a "myth" or the argument is "silly".  I mean, how can you just look at the raw numbers of players who play unequal minutes, and come to a conclusion?

Rebounds per 36 minute:

BBD: 4.5 off, 4.2 def, 8.7 total
SW: 2.8 off, 6.8 def, 9.6 total

Rebound rate:

BBD: 16.0% off, 13.9% def, 14.9% total
SW: 10.0% off, 22.2% def, 16.4% total

Link

Based upon the numbers, then, it's not a "myth" that Williams is a better overall rebounder, it's a fact.  BBD gets more offensive boards, but Williams crushes him on the defensive end.

Exactly, and considering Shelden has been rebounding at a high rate his entire career where BBD has been doing it only for a handful of games I'd also say it isn't a fluke.  BBD can't convert those offensive rebounds around the rim due to his inability to jump either, which makes them less beneficial. Either he needs to drop some pounds and find a way to score down low (not likely) or learn to pass those back out when he gets them so we can get a decent shot.

Not quite; Baby's rebounds per 36 minutes are up 2.1 from last season--that includes ALL his games, not a handful.  Baby heard the criticism of his game and at this point he's responded positively.

2nd, Baby actually converts around the rim at a MUCH, MUCH higher percentage than Williams throughout their respective careers.  For the first 3 weeks of the season, Williams posted career highs in almost every statistical category, something which has undoubtedly skewed your perception.  Look at Sheldon's shooting #s last season (which pretty much mirrored his career #s), compare them with Baby's, and then tell me who struggles to finish inside.

Here are Sheldon's from 2008-2009:

31% of his shots were jumpers, which he hit at an eFG% of 33%
51% of his shots were 'close', which he hit at an eFG% of 45.7%

14% of his jumpers were blocked, while 29% of his close shots were blocked.

Here are Baby's #s last season:

60% of his shots were jumpers, which he hit at an eFG% of 36.9%
36% of his shots were 'close', which he hit at an eFG% of 52.5%

6% of his jumpers were blocked, while 13% of his close shots were blocked.

If you want to look at who got blocked more, I'm sure you'd be surpised to see that Williams got blocked about twice as often as Baby, both from 15 feet and from close to the rim.  Crazy, huh?

This season, Baby's jump shot #s are down, mostly due to his thumb, which until recently was impacting his shot in a negative way.  Otherwise, he's posting similar #s as last season, and doing it closer to the basket and while gathering 2 extra rebounds per 36 minutes.

There is no rubric in existence that shows or even hints at the fact that Williams is better than Glen Davis.  In fact, all evidence points to Baby being the superior player, especially considering that Baby can get his own shot, catch the ball, play the 4 AND 5 (Sheldon's strictly a 4), and play better overall defense. 

[jdpapa3]

Anyone else notice that Shelden just wasn't very good at anything on defense? His man to man was iffy and his rotations were usually off as well. There have been a few games where Davis has been the best defender on the whole team.

Baby's % of shots blocked so far is sort of an aberration. Last year getting starter minutes he only got blocked 8% of the time. From the eyeball test, it's been happening a lot less lately. I feel very, very comfortable with this guy playing in this 4th bigs rotation slot. I know playoff rotations are usually 8 deep, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Doc use a 9 player rotation, cutting out TA's minutes only.