So without a large trade next years Celtics...

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NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, either because they haven't met the criteria, or because they are Early Bird free agents following the second season of their rookie scale contract and whose team renounced the Early-Bird exception. This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at 120% of the player's salary in the previous season, 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 36), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 8% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to five seasons when this exception is used.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19

TP, thanks!

I didn't realize raises were limited to 8% though...

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NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, either because they haven't met the criteria, or because they are Early Bird free agents following the second season of their rookie scale contract and whose team renounced the Early-Bird exception. This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at 120% of the player's salary in the previous season, 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 36), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 8% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to five seasons when this exception is used.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19

Interesting, and odd that this hasn't been discussed in more detail by the media when pointing out his loss of Bird Rights. It could be huge for the Cs considering the constraints we've talked about to date if Nate is a good fit.

Those talking about this vis-a-vis Daniels are kidding themselves. But should the Cs want to keep Ray and keep Nate, a big piece of the MLE could be used to keep Daniels as well, with a few bucks left over for another player.

TP, MO

[BballTim]

Our bench for next year sucks right now.

  Our starting lineup in 2025 is horrible right now as well.

Well, we have a lot of cap space then. We'll be well over the cap next summer.

  Well, if you're able to authoritatively predict how much cap room we'll have in 15 years then I guess I'll have to take your word for next year's poor bench.

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Our bench for next year sucks right now.

  Our starting lineup in 2025 is horrible right now as well.

Well, we have a lot of cap space then. We'll be well over the cap next summer.

  Well, if you're able to authoritatively predict how much cap room we'll have in 15 years then I guess I'll have to take your word for next year's poor bench.

Considering your glib remarks about... whatever you're talking about.... I'm assuming you don't plan to add anything interesting about Boston's thin crew for next year and financial constraints.

[BballTim]

Our bench for next year sucks right now.

  Our starting lineup in 2025 is horrible right now as well.

Well, we have a lot of cap space then. We'll be well over the cap next summer.

  Well, if you're able to authoritatively predict how much cap room we'll have in 15 years then I guess I'll have to take your word for next year's poor bench.

Considering your glib remarks about... whatever you're talking about.... I'm assuming you don't plan to add anything interesting about Boston's thin crew for next year and financial constraints.

  Other than we had no cap room last year and still signed some players? They'll have Sheed and Baby. They can sign Nate and TA without using the MLE. I don't see the crisis.

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Our bench for next year sucks right now.

  Our starting lineup in 2025 is horrible right now as well.

Well, we have a lot of cap space then. We'll be well over the cap next summer.

  Well, if you're able to authoritatively predict how much cap room we'll have in 15 years then I guess I'll have to take your word for next year's poor bench.

Considering your glib remarks about... whatever you're talking about.... I'm assuming you don't plan to add anything interesting about Boston's thin crew for next year and financial constraints.

  Other than we had no cap room last year and still signed some players? They'll have Sheed and Baby. They can sign Nate and TA without using the MLE. I don't see the crisis.

Sure. Guess the status quo will do.

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Big ups to Mr. October for finding the link explaining the non-Bird exception.

Currently have 7 players under contract for next season and are already over the cap.  So they have little choice but to try and contend with the same old team a year older.  Maybe they bring Ray back or Tony Allen but otherwise we are looking at alot of veteran minimum type of players.  This was the Chance for the C's to position themselves for the future.  Now they are looking at the New Big 3 ending the same way the original Big 3 did.

That was my mode of thought all through the season but I'm wavering on it now.

I think the Celtics should strongly consider spending their MLE on younger talent who can stick with the franchise after the Big Three. Even if that younger talent isn't the type of player, or position, that the Celtics need most. And even if that young talent isn't quite as good as a veteran player in the immediate future.

I'm not in love with the young wing talent available in free agency, and I'm not sure if we should blow our MLE was on another biggish man, with KG/Perk/Sheed/Baby already on payroll and an increasingly depressing 2-guard position.

Do you have anyone in mind?

[jambr380]

I don't see Nate and Marquis combining for more than the MLE myself. Nate has a lot of flash, but is someone really going to give him a huge contract? And, I agree, Marquis is more of a LLE player to other teams right now than a MLE. I see them both back here without much of a problem.

[jambr380]

And then there is always the Mike Miller thing...

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Our bench for next year sucks right now.

  Our starting lineup in 2025 is horrible right now as well.

Well, we have a lot of cap space then. We'll be well over the cap next summer.

  Well, if you're able to authoritatively predict how much cap room we'll have in 15 years then I guess I'll have to take your word for next year's poor bench.

I find this funny. Not quite TP funny, but funny enough to mention my appreciation.

I agree with your point too.

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not mad, just disappointed we got nothing back for the stockpile of expiring contracts we have...they USED to be worth something (remember Raef's contract for Ray in the first place??). oh well. At least we'll have Ray for a few more years at a reasonable price--our version of Reggie Miller.

An expiring contract alone usually doesn't get it done. You gotta throw in a decent pick or an upside player who can actually play.

Raef (and the number 7 pick) got the Celtics Ratliff and Telfair (and saved one year of $$ off that aweful Raef contract).

The C's got Ray primarily for the #5 pick.

Gotta have good young expendable talent or good picks to really make things happen.

An expiring contract alone is only valuable if a team like Boston were willing to take on albatross contracts. Sometimes thats worth it, sometimes its not.

Exactly. I really get tired of people talking like expiring contracts are so valuable. They are only valuable if you have cheap assets that other teams want and they have an expensive asset that you want to take.

[Who]

Big ups to Mr. October for finding the link explaining the non-Bird exception.

Currently have 7 players under contract for next season and are already over the cap.  So they have little choice but to try and contend with the same old team a year older.  Maybe they bring Ray back or Tony Allen but otherwise we are looking at alot of veteran minimum type of players.  This was the Chance for the C's to position themselves for the future.  Now they are looking at the New Big 3 ending the same way the original Big 3 did.

That was my mode of thought all through the season but I'm wavering on it now.

I think the Celtics should strongly consider spending their MLE on younger talent who can stick with the franchise after the Big Three. Even if that younger talent isn't the type of player, or position, that the Celtics need most. And even if that young talent isn't quite as good as a veteran player in the immediate future.

I'm not in love with the young wing talent available in free agency, and I'm not sure if we should blow our MLE was on another biggish man, with KG/Perk/Sheed/Baby already on payroll and an increasingly depressing 2-guard position.

Do you have anyone in mind?

Tyrus Thomas + Anthony Morrow

Mike Miller would be first choice if going for a veteran.

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And then there is always the Mike Miller thing...

Mike Miller's my favorite offseason target. If we can resign Ray for around 8 mil, add Miller at the MLE and resign Nate and one of TA/Daniels, I think that gives us the best chance at reloading for a final run.  Add in a few vet min signings and the team would be running at about the same payroll we have now.

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Big ups to Mr. October for finding the link explaining the non-Bird exception.

Currently have 7 players under contract for next season and are already over the cap.  So they have little choice but to try and contend with the same old team a year older.  Maybe they bring Ray back or Tony Allen but otherwise we are looking at alot of veteran minimum type of players.  This was the Chance for the C's to position themselves for the future.  Now they are looking at the New Big 3 ending the same way the original Big 3 did.

That was my mode of thought all through the season but I'm wavering on it now.

I think the Celtics should strongly consider spending their MLE on younger talent who can stick with the franchise after the Big Three. Even if that younger talent isn't the type of player, or position, that the Celtics need most. And even if that young talent isn't quite as good as a veteran player in the immediate future.

I'm not in love with the young wing talent available in free agency, and I'm not sure if we should blow our MLE was on another biggish man, with KG/Perk/Sheed/Baby already on payroll and an increasingly depressing 2-guard position.

Do you have anyone in mind?

Tyrus Thomas + Anthony Morrow

Mike Miller would be first choice if going for a veteran.

Agreed on Miller.

What do you think of Amir Johnson as a lower-cost fallback in the, IMHO, likely event that Tyrus Thomas signs with a team that offers him a starting role and Anthony Morrow signs elsewhere?

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not mad, just disappointed we got nothing back for the stockpile of expiring contracts we have...they USED to be worth something (remember Raef's contract for Ray in the first place??). oh well. At least we'll have Ray for a few more years at a reasonable price--our version of Reggie Miller.

An expiring contract alone usually doesn't get it done. You gotta throw in a decent pick or an upside player who can actually play.

Raef (and the number 7 pick) got the Celtics Ratliff and Telfair (and saved one year of $$ off that aweful Raef contract).

The C's got Ray primarily for the #5 pick.

Gotta have good young expendable talent or good picks to really make things happen.

An expiring contract alone is only valuable if a team like Boston were willing to take on albatross contracts. Sometimes thats worth it, sometimes its not.

Exactly. I really get tired of people talking like expiring contracts are so valuable. They are only valuable if you have cheap assets that other teams want and they have an expensive asset that you want to take.

What did the Cavs give up for Jamison?