Years from now will we look back and think what could have been?

[PosImpos]

In 15 years I may be dead. I may never see the Celtics win another championship.

But hey, that's ok.  I'll never buy another season ticket either. Tit for tat.

Yeah because ownership were such jerks bringing in two high priced veterans in a desperate attempt to win a banner.

Oh wait it worked? Why are we upset again?

Who's upset?

Personally, I'm just disappointed that the NBA season just got substantially less interesting.

[csfansince60s]

The deadline isn't here yet. It aint over till its over. I can't believe that Ray will not be gone by 3:00 p.m.. tomorrow. It makes too much sense not to do it. Jeffries got pulled from the Knicks game. That could mean that the TMac deal will go down. If it does, that leaves Chicago out in the cold for getting the cap relief to go after 2 max/near max FAs. Could Deng be in play then along with Ty Thomas? If TMac goes to Chicago in the rumored 3way with the kings, that leaves the Knicks in the same position as the Bulls would have been in not having the cap space for 2 max FAs. Maybe we get Chandler along with Jeffries. Amare could still be in play. The Suns feel he will walk after this year. If Miami doesn't include Beasley (and they've indicated they wouldn't) why wouldn't the Suns consider RA, Perk, BBD, etc for Amare/JRich.

Still a lot of possibilities on the table for the next 15+ hours before the deadline. Many trades are consummated on deadline day. I don't think Danny's sleeping tonight. I wish we knew whether he is or not because that would be very telling. I think he sleeps tomorrow night. Hopefully D. Aldridge looks like a dope tomorrow night.

[celticinorlando]

we went all in with these older guys to win a title. they did. did everyone including ownership thought they would get at least 2 in the time frame? sure ..... KG's knee changed that and slammed the window shut. now we are tied an oft injured old big three for the next 2.5 years. this is the price we have to pay for the title. it was worth it. hopefully we wont be horrible on that glorious day when we can shed all of this old money off the book in 2012.

[Roy Hobbs]

In 15 years I may be dead. I may never see the Celtics win another championship.

But hey, that's ok.  I'll never buy another season ticket either. Tit for tat.

Yeah because ownership were such jerks bringing in two high priced veterans in a desperate attempt to win a banner.

Oh wait it worked? Why are we upset again?

Yeah, there will be no griping or lamenting from me.  I'm pretty impressed with what Danny and Wyc pulled off to get us the first championship, and two other years of prime contention.  I have no regrets about moves that should have been made.

[PLamb]

I personally am not privy to the Celtics war room, as just about everyuone here is not

Therefore as much as you can ask me what deals did Danny turn down or what players were or were not available I can just as accurately ask why didn't Danny seek out a trade actively enough

Yes, there are no reports that he actually turned down any trade and many rumors of players being traded didn't happen but Danny just as actively denied having any conversations with anyone

So neither I nor anyone else here can really say definitively they know that something was or was not available or offered to Danny or that he turned down something or that he didn't actively seek hard enough for a certain trade that could have been there

Because no one knows for sure

So before throwing cold water on my post, remember you know as much as I do as to what really went on this trading season because nothing said or reported can actually be verified

But what I do know is the prime timing opportunity for something to happen was now

And nothing happened

[celticinorlando]

we went all in with older guys...won the title and now have to deal with the other end of it. worth it to win it because that season as magical. i just don't like watching good guys like PP, KG and ray struggle to keep up. it hurts a bit

[Atzar]

I personally am not privy to the Celtics war room, as just about everyuone here is not

Therefore as much as you can ask me what deals did Danny turn down or what players were or were not available I can just as accurately ask why didn't Danny seek out a trade actively enough

Yes, there are no reports that he actually turned down any trade and many rumors of players being traded didn't happen but Danny just as actively denied having any conversations with anyone

So neither I nor anyone else here can really say definitively they know that something was or was not available or offered to Danny or that he turned down something or that he didn't actively seek hard enough for a certain trade that could have been there

Because no one knows for sure

So before throwing cold water on my post, remember you know as much as I do as to what really went on this trading season because nothing said or reported can actually be verified

But what I do know is the prime timing opportunity for something to happen was now

And nothing has happened yet

Fixed.

[PLamb]

The deadline isn't here yet. It aint over till its over. I can't believe that Ray will not be gone by 3:00 p.m.. tomorrow. It makes too much sense not to do it. Jeffries got pulled from the Knicks game. That could mean that the TMac deal will go down. If it does, that leaves Chicago out in the cold for getting the cap relief to go after 2 max/near max FAs. Could Deng be in play then along with Ty Thomas? If TMac goes to Chicago in the rumored 3way with the kings, that leaves the Knicks in the same position as the Bulls would have been in not having the cap space for 2 max FAs. Maybe we get Chandler along with Jeffries. Amare could still be in play. The Suns feel he will walk after this year. If Miami doesn't include Beasley (and they've indicated they wouldn't) why wouldn't the Suns consider RA, Perk, BBD, etc for Amare/JRich.

Still a lot of possibilities on the table for the next 15+ hours before the deadline. Many trades are consummated on deadline day. I don't think Danny's sleeping tonight. I wish we knew whether he is or not because that would be very telling. I think he sleeps tomorrow night. Hopefully D. Aldridge looks like a dope tomorrow night.

Problem with the Chicago theory is I think they will be just fine with room enough for just one max level free agent

Rose
Noah
Gibson
Deng
Wade

with bench is a [dang] good team regardless if there is another max level player there or not

[Roy Hobbs]

I personally am not privy to the Celtics war room, as just about everyuone here is not

Therefore as much as you can ask me what deals did Danny turn down or what players were or were not available I can just as accurately ask why didn't Danny seek out a trade actively enough

Yes, there are no reports that he actually turned down any trade and many rumors of players being traded didn't happen but Danny just as actively denied having any conversations with anyone

So neither I nor anyone else here can really say definitively they know that something was or was not available or offered to Danny or that he turned down something or that he didn't actively seek hard enough for a certain trade that could have been there

Because no one knows for sure

So before throwing cold water on my post, remember you know as much as I do as to what really went on this trading season because nothing said or reported can actually be verified

But what I do know is the prime timing opportunity for something to happen was now

And nothing happened

I just don't understand how a GM can be blamed for not making a good trade, if there were no good trade opportunities.

There's little doubt that Danny could have traded Ray for *somebody*.  However, I think the number of impact players he could have traded for was very small, and likely, zero.  That being the case, I can't really wring my hands about a wasted opportunity, since in all likelihood, there was no opportunity in the first place.

If Amare and JRich get traded for J. O'Neal, and it turns out that Danny didn't make an offer, I'll change my mind.  Otherwise, it seems like Danny did due diligence on all the big names that were reportedly on the market this year.

[PLamb]

In 15 years I may be dead. I may never see the Celtics win another championship.

But hey, that's ok.  I'll never buy another season ticket either. Tit for tat.

Yeah because ownership were such jerks bringing in two high priced veterans in a desperate attempt to win a banner.

Oh wait it worked? Why are we upset again?

Yeah, there will be no griping or lamenting from me.  I'm pretty impressed with what Danny and Wyc pulled off to get us the first championship, and two other years of prime contention.  I have no regrets about moves that should have been made.

I will never lament the last two and a half years

Ever

It was the coolest last to first rollercoaster ride I have ever been a part of

But I will not be fond of years of mediocrity if I believe Danny could have done something and didn't

I just am of the opinion that the Big Three aged tremendously right before our vey eyes this year and that Celtic management believes it's just minor injuries and not something much larger

[Fafnir]

In 15 years I may be dead. I may never see the Celtics win another championship.

But hey, that's ok.  I'll never buy another season ticket either. Tit for tat.

Yeah because ownership were such jerks bringing in two high priced veterans in a desperate attempt to win a banner.

Oh wait it worked? Why are we upset again?

Who's upset?

Personally, I'm just disappointed that the NBA season just got substantially less interesting.

Brick seems to be.

[PLamb]

I personally am not privy to the Celtics war room, as just about everyuone here is not

Therefore as much as you can ask me what deals did Danny turn down or what players were or were not available I can just as accurately ask why didn't Danny seek out a trade actively enough

Yes, there are no reports that he actually turned down any trade and many rumors of players being traded didn't happen but Danny just as actively denied having any conversations with anyone

So neither I nor anyone else here can really say definitively they know that something was or was not available or offered to Danny or that he turned down something or that he didn't actively seek hard enough for a certain trade that could have been there

Because no one knows for sure

So before throwing cold water on my post, remember you know as much as I do as to what really went on this trading season because nothing said or reported can actually be verified

But what I do know is the prime timing opportunity for something to happen was now

And nothing happened

I just don't understand how a GM can be blamed for not making a good trade, if there were no good trade opportunities.

There's little doubt that Danny could have traded Ray for *somebody*.  However, I think the number of impact players he could have traded for was very small, and likely, zero.  That being the case, I can't really wring my hands about a wasted opportunity, since in all likelihood, there was no opportunity in the first place.

If Amare and JRich get traded for J. O'Neal, and it turns out that Danny didn't make an offer, I'll change my mind.  Otherwise, it seems like Danny did due diligence on all the big names that were reportedly on the market this year.

Great minds do not always have to think alike

I see it differently

Danny's constant denials and even going public about a meeting with Ray and his wife could have sent a very bad message around the league regarding Danny's asking price and had opportunities closed to him

He might have not made phone calls he could have

You believe he did his due diligence

I think publicly he set a bad tone for making things available and could have hurt opportunities that might have opened up

We will never know for sure

[FatjohnReturns]

What trade did Danny turn down / not pursue that would have either improved our chances this season or extended our window?

/thread.

[dlpin]

Doing trades for the sake of doing trades is what turned the knicks into a joke of a franchise. Doing trades for the sake of doing trades is what made Isiah universally known as the joke he is.

This teams lives and dies with KG's knees. If he never gets back to about 70% of what he was, we won't contend for a title, regardless of who we could have gotten for Ray. If KG is done, this team is done, and players like Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis and all the other rumors would just be so the team was good enough to win 40 games for a decade.

If KG is done, it is best to win 50 games this season, 40 the next, then let the contracts expire and try to make a splash in the 2012 free agency (potential free agents: Durant, Rose, Dwight Howard, and so on).

[Fafnir]

Unless there are comparable trades of young talent for nothing more than expiring contracts I think its unfair to criticize Danny for not pulling the trigger on proposals that likely only appeared in our trade idea forum.

Especially when he has another huge expiring contract to work with next year.