Reports: Jamison to Cavs? (Confirmed)

[Fafnir]

what exactly do they gain by keeping ray? good chance he walks anyway this summer...boston isnt going to win the east with this team...boston looking at filling a ton of roster spots with no real cap space to do it

The worst thing you can do with a big expiring contract, is just trading it for the sake of doing something. Better to let it expire than tie your hands for future years in a manner that won't help your team.

See the Patrick Ewing trade.

It appears there was no option that upgraded our talent for this year on the table, meanwhile no young stars were available either. (Martin, Deng, Ellis, Iggy)

So the best move, is to keep Ray Allen and play the year out. We have an equally attractive asset next year, Paul Pierce.

You don't have to go that far, Ray is still an asset for us during free-agency. And we can also just resign him for a short contract, and have a decent asset to use soon after.

Absolutely, those are two additional options.

All of which are better than trading Ray for anything short of the home-run targets Ainge was seeking. (Martin, Iggy, Deng)

[Fafnir]

what exactly do they gain by keeping ray? good chance he walks anyway this summer...boston isnt going to win the east with this team...boston looking at filling a ton of roster spots with no real cap space to do it

The worst thing you can do with a big expiring contract, is just trading it for the sake of doing something. Better to let it expire than tie your hands for future years in a manner that won't help your team.

See the Patrick Ewing trade.

It appears there was no option that upgraded our talent for this year on the table, meanwhile no young stars were available either. (Martin, Deng, Ellis, Iggy)

So the best move, is to keep Ray Allen and play the year out. We have an equally attractive asset next year, Paul Pierce.

You don't have to go that far, Ray is still an asset for us during free-agency. And we can also just resign him for a short contract, and have a decent asset to use soon after.

we are all assuming ray resigns in boston for cheap. i can see him going elsewhere for more money

So what then? If Boston holds the line and refuses to overpay Ray Allen is that a bad thing?

[celticinorlando]

what exactly do they gain by keeping ray? good chance he walks anyway this summer...boston isnt going to win the east with this team...boston looking at filling a ton of roster spots with no real cap space to do it

The worst thing you can do with a big expiring contract, is just trading it for the sake of doing something. Better to let it expire than tie your hands for future years in a manner that won't help your team.

See the Patrick Ewing trade.

It appears there was no option that upgraded our talent for this year on the table, meanwhile no young stars were available either. (Martin, Deng, Ellis, Iggy)

So the best move, is to keep Ray Allen and play the year out. We have an equally attractive asset next year, Paul Pierce.

You don't have to go that far, Ray is still an asset for us during free-agency. And we can also just resign him for a short contract, and have a decent asset to use soon after.

we are all assuming ray resigns in boston for cheap. i can see him going elsewhere for more money

So what then? If Boston holds the line and refuses to overpay Ray Allen is that a bad thing?

they will just have a ton of roster spots to fill with not a lot of cap space to do it...and the real game changers are max contract guys that boston has zero chance with

[winsomme]

what exactly do they gain by keeping ray? good chance he walks anyway this summer...boston isnt going to win the east with this team...boston looking at filling a ton of roster spots with no real cap space to do it

The worst thing you can do with a big expiring contract, is just trading it for the sake of doing something. Better to let it expire than tie your hands for future years in a manner that won't help your team.

See the Patrick Ewing trade.

It appears there was no option that upgraded our talent for this year on the table, meanwhile no young stars were available either. (Martin, Deng, Ellis, Iggy)

So the best move, is to keep Ray Allen and play the year out. We have an equally attractive asset next year, Paul Pierce.

You don't have to go that far, Ray is still an asset for us during free-agency. And we can also just resign him for a short contract, and have a decent asset to use soon after.

we are all assuming ray resigns in boston for cheap. i can see him going elsewhere for more money

So what then? If Boston holds the line and refuses to overpay Ray Allen is that a bad thing?

If you want to have any chance of winning a Title in the next couple of years, not re-signing Ray is definitely a bad thing.

We have no way to add a third star player over the KG and Paul tenure, so the only way to keep this going at any top level is to re-sign Ray.

The other way was to trade Ray now, but that doesn't appear to be happening.

Danny must be extremely frustrated right now that no deal materialized because now we are right back in the late 80s wheelhouse that he said he would avoid....a team built around aging veterans....

Hey, I still like our team and the make up of the team, but don't we have to acknowledge they are a longer shot at Title now that no move was made?

[Who]

If you want to have any chance of winning a Title in the next couple of years, not re-signing Ray is definitely a bad thing.

We have no way to add a third star player over the KG and Paul tenure, so the only way to keep this going at any top level is to re-sign Ray.

Is there a chance for the Celtics to win a title in 2011?

Are the Celtics better off spending their money on Ray + using their MLE to strengthen the reserves to try contending again next season?

Or are the Celtics better off using their MLE for the best available young talent? To try and acquire players who can have a future on this team past the Big Three or who can become valuable trade commodities for the team.

Those are the questions mulling around in my head at the moment. I'm still undecided myself but I'm leaning towards the second option.

[winsomme]

If you want to have any chance of winning a Title in the next couple of years, not re-signing Ray is definitely a bad thing.

We have no way to add a third star player over the KG and Paul tenure, so the only way to keep this going at any top level is to re-sign Ray.

Is there a chance for the Celtics to win a title in 2011?

Are the Celtics better off spending their money on Ray + using their MLE to strengthen the reserves to try contending again next season?

Or are the Celtics better off using their MLE for the best available young talent? To try and acquire players who can have a future on this team past the Big Three or who can become valuable trade commodities for the team.

Those are the questions mulling around in my head at the moment. I'm still undecided myself but I'm leaning towards the second option.

I just don't think the MLE does what you need it to do. We also are probably going to have a Wade-Bosh team in the league next year.

I just think the decision to not trade Ray was a decision to re-sign him next year. Certainly Pierce knows what is ahead and Danny needs to be thinking about the team he is presenting Paul as they talk about an extension.

Adding MLE pieces to the current team IMO is a very unattractive package to present Paul as being the franchise's commitment to winning over the next few years.

I just think Danny always only had two choices with Ray and it seems we are moving ever closer to one choice.

Hey, maybe he pulls something unexpected tomorrow...

A little bummed that CHI pulled off that MIL move. That probably takes them off the table as a salary dump team.....

[JIMTONIK]

Jamison Cavs, means GAME OVER, for us and for everybody.
Now they're completed in every position.

[Tradetime]

Jamison is complete garbage.

Ditto Murphy.

Ditto Maggette.

All posturing by Cleveland, IMO.

I'd expect Amare to the Cavs as soon as both teams realize they don't actually have a better offer.

Jamison's numbers the last 3 years, FYI

2007 21.4ppg 10.2reb 
2008 22.2ppg 8.9reb 
2009 20.5ppg 8.8reb

So yeah, there's definitely no reason why we would need a guy who is a 20-10 threat night in and night out on our ailing team....

[Andy Jick]

quite a debut tonight... 0 for 12 from the field.  Yikes!!

[chelsearules]

quite a debut tonight... 0 for 12 from the field.  Yikes!!

dime says he had a rough 1st day on the job
http://dimemag.com/2010/02/premiere-night-new-faces-debut-in-nba-trade-deadline-fallout/

The moment Jamison checked into Cavs/Bobcats in the first quarter, LeBron got a steal and looked off his new teammate on the break, barreling through two defenders for a statement dunk instead. (Statement: This is my show, homie.) Jamison responded by jacking up two shots the next two times he touched the ball — missing a three and getting a layup blocked — and then it all went downhill from there. Jamison finished 0-for-12 with 2 points and 7 boards, and generally carried himself like an overwhelmed rookie as the Cavs lost decisively. Worse than missing shots were the defensive lapses, as he lost track of his man for easy buckets and got smashed on once or twice … Not sure if it was just leftover frustration from the Denver loss, annoyance with Jamison’s mistakes, or if they’re somehow mad at Jamison because he helped usher Big Z’s departure, but it felt like the rest of the Cavs don’t really like the new guy. LeBron (22 pts, 9 asts, 4 stls), Mo Williams and Shaq often ignored Jamison when he was wide open. One time LeBron appeared to hurt his ankle, and when Jamison was the first guy to run over and offer a hand, LeBron waved him off. Then another time, Delonte West threw a bad pass that Jamison couldn’t catch, and Delonte stared at Jamison like he was covered in pigeon poop …

[Fafnir]

There is a lot being read into on the court "looks" and lack of ball movement. Open players don't get the ball all the time, it happens.

I think Jamison will fit in just fine, it'll take some time though.

[Donoghus]

I wouldn't read too much into last night's performance.  Its gonna take time for him to gel.

Look at Cleveland at the beginning of this season.  They certainly didn't look the part of a true contender early on.  It took them a bit to get acclimated to the Shaq acquistion and figure out their rotations.  They finally got it together and seem to be the favorite in the East right now.

[liam]

Jamison can't guard KG. He is good player, but overrated in my book. He puts up big numbers on bad teams. Anyways, what about Miller? Is he available?

Are you talking about the KG of today or the KG of the past?

Aren't they the same age?

[jdpapa3]

Or, does Jamison's poor defense give the Lakers an advantage again?

I don't think it does, especially when it comes down to it they can bench Antwan.

Will Mike Brown be strong enough to do that if his play calls for it? I have my doubts....

Interesting that his decision came against us instead of the Lakers, but you were very prophetic Fafnir.

[PosImpos]

Or, does Jamison's poor defense give the Lakers an advantage again?

I don't think it does, especially when it comes down to it they can bench Antwan.

Will Mike Brown be strong enough to do that if his play calls for it? I have my doubts....

Interesting that his decision came against us instead of the Lakers, but you were very prophetic Fafnir.

Yep.  Jamison was a non-factor in this series, or at best a negative one.  He encouraged Brown to play Varejao less.  Big mistake.