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Re: A Possible New Rotation?
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2010, 02:24:41 PM »

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I would start Rondo + Butler + Pierce + Garnett + Perkins and then use Jamison and Daniels as the sixth and seventh men.

I would only play Rasheed Wallace based on matchups. I would then choose between Tony Allen and Eddie House as the primary backup guard.
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Re: A Possible New Rotation?
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2010, 03:03:53 PM »

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Why do people want to play a 33 year old Antawn Jamison as a small forward?

That is like playing Garnett as a small forward only without the defense + less of a mismatch offensively.

Talent. 

Plus, the scenario I was proposing was probably something closer to 5-10 mpg.  I mean if KG and Perk each get 30 mpg minimum in the playoffs, that only leaves 18 mpg for Jamison and Wallace.  The only way to give either of those guys more minutes is to play Jamison some at the 3. 

Is it ideal?  No.  However, is he probably a net gain at the 3 over Tony Allen?  Likely.  Moreover, if Doc picked and chose his spots, he could have Jamison matched up against guys backup 3s who likely aren't going to exploit any defensive deficiency he might have. 

And let's face it, if it comes down to having Jamison or TA on a 6-8 small forward, does Jamison really give up that much more in quickness than TA does in strength and height?

Re: A Possible New Rotation?
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2010, 03:10:38 PM »

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Why do people want to play a 33 year old Antawn Jamison as a small forward?

That is like playing Garnett as a small forward only without the defense + less of a mismatch offensively.

Talent. 

Plus, the scenario I was proposing was probably something closer to 5-10 mpg.  I mean if KG and Perk each get 30 mpg minimum in the playoffs, that only leaves 18 mpg for Jamison and Wallace.  The only way to give either of those guys more minutes is to play Jamison some at the 3. 

Is it ideal?  No.  However, is he probably a net gain at the 3 over Tony Allen?  Likely.  Moreover, if Doc picked and chose his spots, he could have Jamison matched up against guys backup 3s who likely aren't going to exploit any defensive deficiency he might have. 

And let's face it, if it comes down to having Jamison or TA on a 6-8 small forward, does Jamison really give up that much more in quickness than TA does in strength and height?
It's the team defense + the transition defense that worries me the most about playing Antawn Jamison at SF + one of Perk/Wallace out there together.

I'm not convinced that type of lineup will be a net positive with Jamison at small forward.

Re: A Possible New Rotation?
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I think if the trade went down you'd see the bigs splitting up minutes more equally than not.  KG playing 25ish minutes, Perk playing 25-30 minutes, Jamison playing 20-25 minutes, and Sheed playing 18-20 minutes
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Re: A Possible New Rotation?
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2010, 03:26:34 PM »

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I would start Rondo + Butler + Pierce + Garnett + Perkins and then use Jamison and Daniels as the sixth and seventh men.

I would only play Rasheed Wallace based on matchups. I would then choose between Tony Allen and Eddie House as the primary backup guard.

  You'd still probably need Sheed to play some backup 5.

Re: A Possible New Rotation?
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2010, 04:17:45 PM »

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I think if the trade went down you'd see the bigs splitting up minutes more equally than not.  KG playing 25ish minutes, Perk playing 25-30 minutes, Jamison playing 20-25 minutes, and Sheed playing 18-20 minutes
Why play your two most effective bigs less minutes in order to play two less effective bigs?

Re: A Possible New Rotation?
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2010, 04:19:02 PM »

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I would start Rondo + Butler + Pierce + Garnett + Perkins and then use Jamison and Daniels as the sixth and seventh men.

I would only play Rasheed Wallace based on matchups. I would then choose between Tony Allen and Eddie House as the primary backup guard.

  You'd still probably need Sheed to play some backup 5.
Against most teams I'm comfortable with Perkins + Garnett as my center rotation ... but there are definitely some matchups where Rasheed Wallace would add value and should receive playing time as Perk's main backup. Like against Dwight Howard.

Re: A Possible New Rotation?
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2010, 04:41:08 PM »

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I don't see (m)any minutes available for Rasheed Wallace.

Regular Season

30-32 for Garnett
28 for Perkins
30 for Jamison
8-10 minutes for Sheed

Playoffs

First choice rotation

35-37 minutes for Garnett
28-32 minutes for Perk
30-33 minutes for Jamison

Then, if the Celtics end up against Dwight Howard they would need to increase Rasheed's minutes and lower Jamison's. Possibly against Cleveland and LA too but not a certainty.

Jamison could be a good match-up against Rashard because he can play some three as well.

But I'd like to point out some things about Rasheed before he gets thrown to the back of the bus...



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Re: A Possible New Rotation?
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2010, 10:28:07 PM »

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Why do people want to play a 33 year old Antawn Jamison as a small forward?

That is like playing Garnett as a small forward only without the defense + less of a mismatch offensively.

Talent. 

Plus, the scenario I was proposing was probably something closer to 5-10 mpg.  I mean if KG and Perk each get 30 mpg minimum in the playoffs, that only leaves 18 mpg for Jamison and Wallace.  The only way to give either of those guys more minutes is to play Jamison some at the 3. 

Is it ideal?  No.  However, is he probably a net gain at the 3 over Tony Allen?  Likely.  Moreover, if Doc picked and chose his spots, he could have Jamison matched up against guys backup 3s who likely aren't going to exploit any defensive deficiency he might have. 

And let's face it, if it comes down to having Jamison or TA on a 6-8 small forward, does Jamison really give up that much more in quickness than TA does in strength and height?
It's the team defense + the transition defense that worries me the most about playing Antawn Jamison at SF + one of Perk/Wallace out there together.

I'm not convinced that type of lineup will be a net positive with Jamison at small forward.


I agree with the assessment of Jamison playing a bunch of SF minutes from a defensive standpoint, but I think we have to take into consideration the matchup problems he will cause on the opposing SF on the offensive end. This for a limited amount of minutes to be sure but still....who could handle him in the post? Short list with Lebron, Prince, Anthony and very few others. Trake into consideration this is going to likely be against second unit players as well and it looks even better, at least on paper.
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