When Will Ray be Traded.. How About Next Year?

[Evantime34]

In an article written by Peter May today Danny mentioned Ray Allen as a possibility for a sign and trade next year. Here's the quote:

"Any way you look at it, Ray is an asset," Ainge said. "He's an asset to us as a player right now and, if we don't trade him, for the rest of the season. If we do trade him, he's an asset in that we will get back equal talent. If he ends up as a free agent, he's an asset because maybe we can use him in a sign-and-trade deal. And if he just leaves, he's an asset because his salary comes off our books. We can use some of that to go out and get someone with the midlevel exception."

What level play do you think is viable option for a Ray sign and trade next year? Do you think ownership would be willing to give out a max type deal in order to keep this team at a championship level?

[Evantime34]

bumping my thread (also trying to get closer to my next star)

[Evantime34]

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/columns/story?columnist=may_peter&id=4905120

Link to the article

[Jon]

Well, it's also possible that we re-sign him and trade him next year or the year after.  I really can't imagine that anyone offers him much more than the midlevel.  I just can't imagine that the few teams with money to spend are going to tie it up on an aging vet.  Now someone might offer him a 3-year deal at the MLE like Rasheed got from us, but the C's could always counter with more money over fewer years (say 2 years 18 million, or even 1 year 10 million).  The C's then retain his services and also retain a fairly sizable contract that will expire in a year or two and still be able to bring in value. 

[Who]

Do you think ownership would be willing to give out a max type deal in order to keep this team at a championship level?

If the player is talented enough, yes, but we're likely only talking about All-NBA level players.

What level play do you think is viable option for a Ray sign and trade next year?

Ray Allen is not a viable option for a sign and trade. Any S+T involving a player like Ray will be about the other incentives in the deal. Draft picks + Young prospects. The Celtics don't have enough of those to make it interesting.

I think they'd have to create a Kenyon Martin type of situation. Overpay a borderline All-Star talent and give up 3 future first round draft picks ... just to have a chance of getting an impact player.

Ray Allen isn't a viable sign and trade asset.

[Evantime34]

Do you think ownership would be willing to give out a max type deal in order to keep this team at a championship level?

If the player is talented enough, yes, but we're likely only talking about All-NBA level players.

What level play do you think is viable option for a Ray sign and trade next year?

Ray Allen is not a viable option for a sign and trade. Any S+T involving a player like Ray will be about the other incentives in the deal. Draft picks + Young prospects. The Celtics don't have enough of those to make it interesting.

I think they'd have to create a Kenyon Martin type of situation. Overpay a borderline All-Star talent and give up 3 future first round draft picks ... just to have a chance of getting an impact player.

Ray Allen isn't a viable sign and trade asset.

What about signing him to a 3 year deal with only one year guranteed. So the other team is essentially getting an expiring contract plus we throw in a first round pick.

[Who]

Do you think ownership would be willing to give out a max type deal in order to keep this team at a championship level?

If the player is talented enough, yes, but we're likely only talking about All-NBA level players.

What level play do you think is viable option for a Ray sign and trade next year?

Ray Allen is not a viable option for a sign and trade. Any S+T involving a player like Ray will be about the other incentives in the deal. Draft picks + Young prospects. The Celtics don't have enough of those to make it interesting.

I think they'd have to create a Kenyon Martin type of situation. Overpay a borderline All-Star talent and give up 3 future first round draft picks ... just to have a chance of getting an impact player.

Ray Allen isn't a viable sign and trade asset.

What about signing him to a 3 year deal with only one year guranteed. So the other team is essentially getting an expiring contract plus we throw in a first round pick.

It's not a question of finances. It's a talent problem.

Ray Allen is not a large enough incentive for another team to cooperate in a sign and trade.

Edit: The Kenyon Martin type situation I described above ... even that's a stretch and that's the only true possibility I see.

[Evantime34]

Do you think ownership would be willing to give out a max type deal in order to keep this team at a championship level?

If the player is talented enough, yes, but we're likely only talking about All-NBA level players.

What level play do you think is viable option for a Ray sign and trade next year?

Ray Allen is not a viable option for a sign and trade. Any S+T involving a player like Ray will be about the other incentives in the deal. Draft picks + Young prospects. The Celtics don't have enough of those to make it interesting.

I think they'd have to create a Kenyon Martin type of situation. Overpay a borderline All-Star talent and give up 3 future first round draft picks ... just to have a chance of getting an impact player.

Ray Allen isn't a viable sign and trade asset.

What about signing him to a 3 year deal with only one year guranteed. So the other team is essentially getting an expiring contract plus we throw in a first round pick.

It's not a question of finances. It's a talent problem.

Ray Allen is not a large enough incentive for another team to cooperate in a sign and trade.

Edit: The Kenyon Martin type situation I described above ... even that's a stretch and that's the only true possibility I see.

So we would probably have to take on a bad contract in addition to giving up a first round pick to move him for a top talent?

[P2]

No, Ray is a much bigger asset right now. Teams who want to shed huge salaries have a chance to now, at the end of the season Ray would just be an aging former All-Star who nobody wants to give up their young talent for. Really, we would get 10 cents on the dollar at the end of the season.

[Who]

Do you think ownership would be willing to give out a max type deal in order to keep this team at a championship level?

If the player is talented enough, yes, but we're likely only talking about All-NBA level players.

What level play do you think is viable option for a Ray sign and trade next year?

Ray Allen is not a viable option for a sign and trade. Any S+T involving a player like Ray will be about the other incentives in the deal. Draft picks + Young prospects. The Celtics don't have enough of those to make it interesting.

I think they'd have to create a Kenyon Martin type of situation. Overpay a borderline All-Star talent and give up 3 future first round draft picks ... just to have a chance of getting an impact player.

Ray Allen isn't a viable sign and trade asset.

What about signing him to a 3 year deal with only one year guranteed. So the other team is essentially getting an expiring contract plus we throw in a first round pick.

It's not a question of finances. It's a talent problem.

Ray Allen is not a large enough incentive for another team to cooperate in a sign and trade.

Edit: The Kenyon Martin type situation I described above ... even that's a stretch and that's the only true possibility I see.

So we would probably have to take on a bad contract in addition to giving up a first round pick to move him for a top talent?

A bad contract + several first round picks = borderline or non-All-Star level talent

And I would only give that a 0.2% chance of happening. That's the only way I can see there being enough incentive for the other team to consider it.

To repeat, this is why I don't think Ray Allen is a viable option in a sign and trade.

[Who]

Hang on, I'm looking at this the wrong way.

I was thinking solely of the Celtics using Ray as a S+T asset to sign a 2010 free agent. They would have a lot more options if they used him as a S+T for players who are already on existing contracts. Again, you'd be looking at a bad contract but less onus on the first round picks.

The contract would have to stretch until 2012 at the least to make it worthwhile and possibly longer than that.

Are there any bad contracts, large contracts, that still have a few years left on them that you'd like to acquire?

[Who]

Are there any bad contracts, large contracts, that still have a few years left on them that you'd like to acquire?

Gilbert Arenas
Elton Brand

Maybes -- Antawn Jamison, Rip Hamilton, Corey Maggette, Baron Davis, Emeka Okafor, Hedo Turkoglu, Kevin Martin + bad contracts.

[pearljammer10]

Ray is worth waaaaay more now than he would be next year for a sign and trade. We could get a much better player with his contract at this point then we could next year when he gets a new deal, is a year older, and has more years on his deal.