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Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2010, 10:49:50 AM »

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Once this year

Tony, Eddie, Scal, BBD and Shelden were playing at the same time.


We were not winning that game

I rest my case.
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Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2010, 11:08:55 AM »

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Doc has done a poor job in getting his team motivated, and he plays certain players (i.e., Ray) into the ground, while he doesn't give others (i.e., Perk) enough minutes.  I hate (HATE) the four- and five-man substitutions.

  While I agree with this, it's hardly a coincidence that the team's struggles have coincided with injuries to KG and Paul and, to a lesser extent, Rondo.

Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2010, 11:10:54 AM »

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Doc's biggest failing has been his inability to

1) adjust to the decline of his stars. 

2) Motivate his players.




But you don't change head coaches mid season if you have title aspirations.  Therefore, there isn't a lot of heat on him.

Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2010, 11:26:00 AM »

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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20100210doc_rivers_puts_celtics_on_alert_message_sent_for_last_pre-break_tilt/

Interesting article, we'll see if anything actually changes.

I think Doc is getting less of the blame because its hard to kill a Coach for not having a title quality team when their best player has suddenly declined from a top 5 NBA player to a top 30 player. (that's optimistic for KG too....)

LOL if the ball gets stuck you get subbed. He wouldn't dare to do that to his precious KG, he only pulled that on Powe, give me a break Doc.
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Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2010, 11:47:10 AM »

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Doc's biggest failing has been his inability to

1) adjust to the decline of his stars. 

2) Motivate his players.




But you don't change head coaches mid season if you have title aspirations.  Therefore, there isn't a lot of heat on him.

Agree generally - though Sidney Crosby might have a counterargument ...

Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2010, 11:53:28 AM »

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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20100210doc_rivers_puts_celtics_on_alert_message_sent_for_last_pre-break_tilt/

Interesting article, we'll see if anything actually changes.

I think Doc is getting less of the blame because its hard to kill a Coach for not having a title quality team when their best player has suddenly declined from a top 5 NBA player to a top 30 player. (that's optimistic for KG too....)

LOL if the ball gets stuck you get subbed. He wouldn't dare to do that to his precious KG, he only pulled that on Powe, give me a break Doc.

  I think it's exceedingly rare for the ball to get stuck and have KG be the culprit.

Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #21 on: February 10, 2010, 11:55:12 AM »

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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20100210doc_rivers_puts_celtics_on_alert_message_sent_for_last_pre-break_tilt/

Interesting article, we'll see if anything actually changes.

I think Doc is getting less of the blame because its hard to kill a Coach for not having a title quality team when their best player has suddenly declined from a top 5 NBA player to a top 30 player. (that's optimistic for KG too....)

LOL if the ball gets stuck you get subbed. He wouldn't dare to do that to his precious KG, he only pulled that on Powe, give me a break Doc.

you don't suppose that has to do with leon being an atrocious passer in the post and KG being one of the best of all time do you?
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Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2010, 11:56:27 AM »

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Once this year

Tony, Eddie, Scal, BBD and Shelden were playing at the same time.


We were not winning that game

I rest my case.
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Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2010, 12:15:51 PM »

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Doc is a players coach; however Davis and Sheed seem to have upset the balance. He is trying to get Davis in game shape and trying to get Sheed into the flow. So far is problematic. Sheed seemed better on offense against Orlando; but any time the opposing team goes on a 19-0 (think that is what I heard) run you have to look at the coach. That should never happen on a team of this caliber.

They have clearly lost their defensive Mojo.

Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #24 on: February 10, 2010, 12:27:17 PM »

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I think the only way to get sheed in shape is to play him 48 per game. He won't do it on his own time.

Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #25 on: February 10, 2010, 12:37:31 PM »

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Doc is escaping blame for the same reason he escaped blame during the record setting losing streak before the big 3. He handles the media well. Writers think twice about writing a negative article about him because he is so accomodating to them.

Right now all the focus is on the trade deadline. If things go poorly regardless of if we make a move or not I wouldn't be shocked to see him fired. Tom Thibbedeau deserves a chance anyway.

Right Doc is the master of getting out in front of a story.  He plays the media like a fiddle. 
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Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2010, 01:04:43 PM »

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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20100210doc_rivers_puts_celtics_on_alert_message_sent_for_last_pre-break_tilt/

Interesting article, we'll see if anything actually changes.

I think Doc is getting less of the blame because its hard to kill a Coach for not having a title quality team when their best player has suddenly declined from a top 5 NBA player to a top 30 player. (that's optimistic for KG too....)

LOL if the ball gets stuck you get subbed. He wouldn't dare to do that to his precious KG, he only pulled that on Powe, give me a break Doc.

you don't suppose that has to do with leon being an atrocious passer in the post and KG being one of the best of all time do you?
KG has taken some BAD forced fallaway shots when he could have kicked it back out (or go to the basket for once..). Same goes for the Perkins back down which i'm not a fan of.

I really wasn't bringing the talents of Powe up(or KG's), rather I used Powe as an example because he was always in Doc's dog house. Doc doesn't have the spine to tell KG (or scal) if he's playing like trash but he'll rip into people like Shelden,Baby,Powe,Gomes, or rooks, if they make one mistake.

I understand everyone here see's the game and who's playing good/bad differently, so i'm just giving my POV on it.

* I've been reluctant to post the last few months since it seems everyone seems way more short fused then usual, but with how the team looks, who wouldn't be bothered?
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Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2010, 01:20:18 PM »

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Doc has done a poor job in getting his team motivated, and he plays certain players (i.e., Ray) into the ground, while he doesn't give others (i.e., Perk) enough minutes.  I hate (HATE) the four- and five-man substitutions.

Let me add one more HATE to that method of substitution.

Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2010, 01:33:46 PM »

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I love the fact that we are always in a game with Doc. This team has rolled over in only 2-3 games in the past 3 seasons.

What is really annoying to me is how he always identifies defense as the problem right away. But we have the best defense in the league. I think the other team generally gets going offensively because of our dumb turnovers and poor offensive sets. He says that the offense feeds off of the defense, but I feel the stats tell the opposite story.

Re: How is Doc escaping all the blame?
« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2010, 02:05:40 PM »

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Doc's biggest failing has been his inability to

1) adjust to the decline of his stars. 

2) Motivate his players.




But you don't change head coaches mid season if you have title aspirations.  Therefore, there isn't a lot of heat on him.

Agree generally - though Sidney Crosby might have a counterargument ...


The coach change works in the NHL and MLB.


It has never worked in the NBA or NFL.