Chris Sheridan: Josh Howard/JJ Berea/ filler for Ray

[crownsy]

nope I want Iguodala, Martin, Ellis or Deng.

See my post in the other trade ray thread about what teams get historical for expiring contracts and little else as an offer.

None of those are happening.

I think we have to throw history out the window completely here.  There is an unprecedented level of financial woe in the NBA right now.  Getting talent back in a trade is probably the 4th highest priority for most teams.  The first 3 are as follows:
1. Reduce salary obligations
2. Further reduce salary obligations
3. Go even further to reduce salary obligations


The Celtics have the 2nd most expensive expiring contract in the league (behind TMac).  We are in a much better negotiating position than you seem willing to acknowledge.

I've heard this "but now is completely different than any of the history to the contrary" argument before, and you know what?

MAbey your right, mabey this trade deadline will be completely different than every single one that's proceeded it and teams will willingly give up stud players for financial relief and the ability to make a potential unsuccessful run at one of the players from an awesome draft class.

But until ONE trade happens that justify this unbridled optimism about what we can get for an expiring contract and trash bench parts, I'm going to maintain my belief that it takes something more than an expiring contract to get a stud player back.

Since other contenders are more in line to offer that "something" else, I think they may very well get these players, if they move at all.

We'll see what happens at the trade deadline, mabey something nearly unprecedented will happen. Until it does, i think I'm justified in expecting the trades made at the trade deadline to follow the general principles behind most trades.

[Brickowski]

I would prefer Beaubois to JJ Barea.

[The Walker Wiggle]

I prefer this Sheridan hypothetical from the same chat.

Question for Celtics fans (and I am only posing this purely hypothetical question because I saw Rasheed's agent, Bill Strickland, chatting with Donnie Walsh at MSG the other night.) If you were Danny Ainge, would you trade Rasheed and Marquis Daniels to the Knicks for Nate Robinson, Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill?

[crownsy]

I prefer this Sheridan hypothetical from the same chat.

Question for Celtics fans (and I am only posing this purely hypothetical question because I saw Rasheed's agent, Bill Strickland, chatting with Donnie Walsh at MSG the other night.) If you were Danny Ainge, would you trade Rasheed and Marquis Daniels to the Knicks for Nate Robinson, Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill?

I don't like that one because it leaves us a bench of:

Robinson
Baby or sheldon
TA
house (who can't play with nate on the floor at the same time)



And four guys who might work out as wing backups, or might not.

[Evantime34]

I prefer this Sheridan hypothetical from the same chat.

Question for Celtics fans (and I am only posing this purely hypothetical question because I saw Rasheed's agent, Bill Strickland, chatting with Donnie Walsh at MSG the other night.) If you were Danny Ainge, would you trade Rasheed and Marquis Daniels to the Knicks for Nate Robinson, Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill?

I'm not sure I do that. In the first half of the season I saw Marquis as the glue that held our 2nd unit together. I think with TA and Quis they are extremely cheap and effective so they should be kept unless a deal comes along that blows Danny away.

[WeMadeIt17]

I gotta say i dont dislike this idea at all. Barea is a very good backup PG and Howard could pick it up. Perhaps he needs a new scenery but i dont hate this deal seems like everyone else does.

[Atzar]

I would prefer Beaubois to JJ Barea.

So would I, but supposedly the Dallas FO loves him.  I don't think they'd give him up.

I'd love to have Beaubois, though.

[The Walker Wiggle]

I prefer this Sheridan hypothetical from the same chat.

Question for Celtics fans (and I am only posing this purely hypothetical question because I saw Rasheed's agent, Bill Strickland, chatting with Donnie Walsh at MSG the other night.) If you were Danny Ainge, would you trade Rasheed and Marquis Daniels to the Knicks for Nate Robinson, Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill?

I don't like that one because it leaves us a bench of:

Robinson
Baby or sheldon
TA
House (who can't play with nate on the floor at the same time)

And four guys who might work out as wing backups, or might not.

Jeffries is the starting PF in New York, can defend three+ positions, in fact shut down Rondo in a Celtics/Knicks game last season, and could do a lot in Thibodeau's schemes.

Hill isn't ready, but at least Clifford Ray would have a project worth his time.

[scoop]

I would prefer Beaubois to JJ Barea.

Me too and it wouldn't even be close. I don't understand why Carlisly plays little Barea so many minutes and leaves Beaubois drying out on the bench.

[ssspence]

The love for Beaubois is all fine and good, but there's no way we're trading Ray for Josh Howard.

[RAcker]

I just say no to this.  In this economy, Ray is a much better chip than this trade would indicate as other posters have already pointed out.

No, no and double no.

[mahonedog88]

Yeah this deal is so much better for Dallas.

I wouldn't do this.  There are so many other deals I'd do before this one

[Bankshot]

Even if we are not able to get an elite player for Ray I would rather keep him than do this deal.

[Vermont Green]

Berea+Howard=$12.5M
Allen+$20M

That is a lot of "filler"!

[pearljammer10]

I prefer this Sheridan hypothetical from the same chat.

Question for Celtics fans (and I am only posing this purely hypothetical question because I saw Rasheed's agent, Bill Strickland, chatting with Donnie Walsh at MSG the other night.) If you were Danny Ainge, would you trade Rasheed and Marquis Daniels to the Knicks for Nate Robinson, Jared Jeffries and Jordan Hill?

I don't like that one because it leaves us a bench of:

Robinson
Baby or sheldon
TA
House (who can't play with nate on the floor at the same time)

And four guys who might work out as wing backups, or might not.

Jeffries is the starting PF in New York, can defend three+ positions, in fact shut down Rondo in a Celtics/Knicks game last season, and could do a lot in Thibodeau's schemes.

Hill isn't ready, but at least Clifford Ray would have a project worth his time.

I was just in NYC and attended the Knicks games on Wednesday and Friday...I can tell you one thing... Jarred Jeffries is not a good player at all.