Do nothing?

[PLamb]

If we do nothing, I think we'll most likely accomplish exactly that - nothing.

Trading Ray will only be a panic move to save Dannys job. The Rasheed signing and letting Powe walk were mistakes. Trading Ray at this point will not improve the team. So I hope a veteran team with a veteran coach can turn this thing around.

I don't get this logic that not signing Powe was a mistake when we currently have zero knowledge as to whether Powe will be in any shape, or his game will be good enough, post surgery to perform in any type of meaningful role

I just do understand this line of thinking

[wdleehi]

If we do nothing, I think we'll most likely accomplish exactly that - nothing.

Trading Ray will only be a panic move to save Dannys job. The Rasheed signing and letting Powe walk were mistakes. Trading Ray at this point will not improve the team. So I hope a veteran team with a veteran coach can turn this thing around.

Has Powe played yet this year?  How would he have changed the Celtics up to this point?




No, do something.  Even if it is only exploring all trading options and deciding that the team in place is the best option. 

Well its only my humble opinion based on no facts. How the Celtics treated Leon this offseason has really drained the spirit of this team. Leon epidomized heart and desire and thats what we are really lacking right now. To me goes beyond just numbers its the fire inside to rise above challenges. Its a team pysche issue.  

How weak minded is the rest of the team then? 


Powe was a nice bench player.  He was not a leader.  He was not a spiritual leader.  He was not a mascot. 

This team isn't demoralized.  It has been full of itself. 

The problem isn't them being full of themselves.

The problem is KG is no longer a top 5 player in the league.

I agree the downhill slope of KG, Ray and Pierce is a big issue, this team thinking they are the uncrowned champs of last year and they only need to decide to turn themselves on come playoff time and win is an issue right now.  

[Fafnir]

Well, if they still think that after getting beaten up by every other contender they're delusional.

I think they thought they'd win last year if KG had been healthy. I think they thought they'd be just as good this year (if not better with Sheed/Daniels)

The team knows that's not the case now...

[wdleehi]

Well, if they still think that after getting beaten up by every other contender they're delusional.

I think they thought they'd win last year if KG had been healthy. I think they thought they'd be just as good this year (if not better with Sheed/Daniels)

The team knows that's not the case now...

I think so to.


But there is a difference with the fans think that and a team believing it. 


They should be mad this season wanting to prove it. 

[apc]

I agree with you, although I would gladly welcome a player like Kirk Hinrich - and his terrible contract - for our "garbage" expirings (Scal, TA, etc).

It's obvious that our problem lies on the mentality of this team, its focus and its lack of toughness. Trading Ray won't solve that problem, and trying to integrate a newly acquired player into our complicated system a few months before the playoffs is not a really good idea.

Although the collapses in the third quarter are unacceptable and mind-boggling, I say give this team a last chance and if things are really still that bad just after the All-Star Break, then try a trade.

It's too bad the trade deadline occurs the day of our game against the Lakers though, I think a win in LA would make Danny reconsider his position and avoid a panic move from his part. But if he wants to make some changes, he will have to make them before this game obviously, and there are not any more "big" games to evaluate our worth before this one.

So, I'd rather see us stay put and trust this team to turn the things around mentally. The talent is clearly there and age is not a big factor. There is still a lot of time before the playoffs, don't mess up the roster now.

Trade Ray Allan for a good shrink?!

[Andy Jick]

so has leon become the next gerald green?  he's done absolutely nothing this season, but apparently to some he was a must-have.  someone tell me the logic in that...

the problem with this team is that, due to their age (and accompanying injuries) they cannot do the same things they did before.  therefore, the problem with this team is FRUSTRATION.  and when you're frustrated you start trying to do too much.  they want to snap their fingers and become what they were two years ago.  not going to happen...

that's why this team needs to make a move...standing pat and doing nothing doesn't fix this team.

[FatjohnReturns]

so has leon become the next gerald green?  he's done absolutely nothing this season, but apparently to some he was a must-have.  someone tell me the logic in that...

the problem with this team is that, due to their age (and accompanying injuries) they cannot do the same things they did before.  therefore, the problem with this team is FRUSTRATION.  and when you're frustrated you start trying to do too much.  they want to snap their fingers and become what they were two years ago.  not going to happen...

that's why this team needs to make a move...standing pat and doing nothing doesn't fix this team.

He gave everything for this franchise and got screwed. They couldnt even give him a minimum offer. You underestimate the psychological affect of replacing him with someone like Rasheed. There is just no "fire inside" on this team. You attribute that to age?

[wdleehi]

so has leon become the next gerald green?  he's done absolutely nothing this season, but apparently to some he was a must-have.  someone tell me the logic in that...

the problem with this team is that, due to their age (and accompanying injuries) they cannot do the same things they did before.  therefore, the problem with this team is FRUSTRATION.  and when you're frustrated you start trying to do too much.  they want to snap their fingers and become what they were two years ago.  not going to happen...

that's why this team needs to make a move...standing pat and doing nothing doesn't fix this team.

He gave everything for this franchise and got screwed. They couldnt even give him a minimum offer. You underestimate the psychological affect of replacing him with someone like Rasheed. There is just no "fire inside" on this team. You attribute that to age?

They offered him the same contract he took with Cleveland.


Ray, KG and Pierce have been in this league to long not to understand the business side of things. 


Plus, didn't they all go to Detroit to woo Wallace?

[P2]

Doing nothing = no championship.

If the idea is to win in this "limited" window that Danny has created (due to the age of this team), then doing nothing is certain failure.

In my estimation, we are not better than the Hawks, Cav's, or Magic...  Or, if we get in a 7-game series with any of them, our weaknesses will be exposed.

If Danny can get Kevin Martin, Andre Iguadola or Monta Ellis I'm all for it.  But I want nothing to do with Hinrich, because that means more of Tony Allen, and that's a sign of doom as well.  Don't let Tony fool you - he's a sure bet to go stupid when we need him most...

Aaaaaaaaaa-men. TP.

[LarBrd33]

I think we'd be insane to refuse a deal involving Iggy, Deng or Martin for Ray.  If such a deal is a possibility, it would be far riskier to "do nothing" than to "do something".  Say Ray re-signs at less money next year and defies the odds and plays at this level for another few years... I'd still rather swap him out for a guy 7-8 years younger who is better.

But if those guys aren't a real option... I don't mind hanging onto Ray.  I'd rather have 3 odd-defying years of Ray Allen than a bum like Kirk Hinrich.

[scoop]

The Magic had an habit of blowing big leads last season and collapsing in the third quarter. They ended up in the Finals - they figured out their problems and, although they still had some collapses here and there, they went through adversity and overcame it. Our veteran team clearly can do that.

I don't remember that habit from the Magic last season - maybe 2/3 years ago, but not last season. Where are you getting this from?

[scoop]

I think we'd be insane to refuse a deal involving Iggy, Deng or Martin for Ray.  If such a deal is a possibility, it would be far riskier to "do nothing" than to "do something".  Say Ray re-signs at less money next year and defies the odds and plays at this level for another few years... I'd still rather swap him out for a guy 7-8 years younger who is better.

But if those guys aren't a real option... I don't mind hanging onto Ray.  I'd rather have 3 odd-defying years of Ray Allen than a bum like Kirk Hinrich.

Fully agreed, this is my point of view as well.

[Chris]

The Magic had an habit of blowing big leads last season and collapsing in the third quarter. They ended up in the Finals - they figured out their problems and, although they still had some collapses here and there, they went through adversity and overcame it. Our veteran team clearly can do that.

I don't remember that habit from the Magic last season - maybe 2/3 years ago, but not last season. Where are you getting this from?

The Magic had that problem against the C's, and a few other teams.  It wasn't as bad as the C's problem is right now though. 

But I think its important to point out that the Magic still got beat pretty handily in the finals, and nearly lost to a KG-less Celtics.  So that argument doesn't make me feel a whole lot better.

Bottom line, this team has no killer instinct at the moment.  Could that change?  Sure.  Is it easy to change?  I don't think so.

[QuinielaBox]

The Magic had an habit of blowing big leads last season and collapsing in the third quarter. They ended up in the Finals - they figured out their problems and, although they still had some collapses here and there, they went through adversity and overcame it. Our veteran team clearly can do that.

I don't remember that habit from the Magic last season - maybe 2/3 years ago, but not last season. Where are you getting this from?

I seem to remember Game 5 last year that was clearly lost for the Celtics and we pulled that one out of thin air. Seems to me we have not beaten them since (Throw out the Christmas Day game - that was an aberration).

I still don't think there is a trade out there that helps this team. Doc Rivers needs to step up his coaching and park Sheed on the bench while we play Scalabrine and Sheldon Williams. Perkins needs to get his head examined too. The three elder statesmen cannot carry the entire load anymore. If Danny trades Ray Allen, I think that is the White Flag for this season.

[twinbree]

I'm not sure. I'm leaning towards do nothing for now because I don't think any move now will solve our problem. Bringing in new players could improve the team but with the way the team is playing now adding more talent still wouldn't win us a championship. I doubt there's enough talent out there to overcome the current level of play.

They have bigger problems outside of Ray's long range woes. Unless he's subliminally encouraging the other players to sleepwalk through the games I don't think replacing him will have that great of an impact.