Big Baby is the problem...More minutes for Williams

[FatjohnReturns]

He is very immature no doubt. Even though he changed his nickname he will always be Big Baby to me.

[vinnie]

I think the fact that 24% of Glen Davis' shots have been blocked this year might be coloring people's opinions here. Baby is hustling and rebounding, but his inability to finish at the rim is infuriating. I have never seen a player get more shots blocked. ToO me, this detracts immensely from his value and play. Great that he gets the rebounds, but what good is it if he never puts them back for two?

Which is worse, Baby getting his layup blocked (and possibly picking up a foul), or Wallace launching a three with 16 seconds left on the 24 second shot? 

I agree that his inability to finish in traffic is frustrating, but given the overall lack of toughness on this team lately, I will take his hustle, offensive rebounding, and correct defensive rotations every time. 

Agreed.

[thirstyboots18]

I disagree.  I think the problem is Rasheed Wallace.  If you want to take away minutes take minutes away from Wallace.  He's been putrid offensively.  He has played solid defense, but I do think Williams could do just as well and would be a much better offensive rebounder and would make this team a lot tougher. 

i disagree. the problem is not BBD. it is sheldon williams and bill walker and kevin eastman. they are KILLING this team.

i have seen some questionable threads on here, but this one takes the cake. a guy getting 10 minutes a game is the reason we are in a free-fall? not pierce's injury, garnett's injury and decline, sheed coasting through his 20 minutes a night, no defense, ray's off shooting and scoring year, perk's foul trouble, rondo's ft shooting, house slumping (until friday).

BBD is THE problem? Please.

Davis may not be "the problem", but he certainly is not the answer, either.

[mmbaby]

He is not immature and frankly, I'm tired of the Baby-haters here. Immature is Perk's pouting, Sheed's screaming, KG's anger and cursing. BBD getting into a tussle and breaking his thumb is not immature. It's something that 23 year old do sometimes. BBD is the leader off the bench and would probably be better as our starter. He gets better every game he's back and last night was kept in longer for that reason. He needs some work on teasing the ball into the basket when he's boxed in, but it might also help to have some screening at the basket from our other players. His defense is the best on the team right now and his jump shot is coming back. He is well loved by his teammates and most of the fans.
Wake up haters. You are starting to sound so stupid.

[Casperian]

I disagree.  I think the problem is Rasheed Wallace.  If you want to take away minutes take minutes away from Wallace.  He's been putrid offensively.  He has played solid defense, but I do think Williams could do just as well and would be a much better offensive rebounder and would make this team a lot tougher. 

i disagree. the problem is not BBD. it is sheldon williams and bill walker and kevin eastman. they are KILLING this team.

i have seen some questionable threads on here, but this one takes the cake. a guy getting 10 minutes a game is the reason we are in a free-fall? not pierce's injury, garnett's injury and decline, sheed coasting through his 20 minutes a night, no defense, ray's off shooting and scoring year, perk's foul trouble, rondo's ft shooting, house slumping (until friday).

BBD is THE problem? Please.

Davis may not be "the problem", but he certainly is not the answer, either.

Which is the reason why he makes under $3.000.000 a year.
Noone ever expected him to be the answer. They simply want him to do his job, and that´s what he does, unlike other players on this team.

[MBz]

He is not immature and frankly, I'm tired of the Baby-haters here. Immature is Perk's pouting, Sheed's screaming, KG's anger and cursing. BBD getting into a tussle and breaking his thumb is not immature. It's something that 23 year old do sometimes. BBD is the leader off the bench and would probably be better as our starter. He gets better every game he's back and last night was kept in longer for that reason. He needs some work on teasing the ball into the basket when he's boxed in, but it might also help to have some screening at the basket from our other players. His defense is the best on the team right now and his jump shot is coming back. He is well loved by his teammates and most of the fans.
Wake up haters. You are starting to sound so stupid.

I'd have to agree with some of this.  If we're going to call Davis immature, why not call Sheed, Rondo, Perk and KG immature as well?  It seems to be okay that they're immature, but Davis is getting ripped into.  Glen Davis is supposed to be the #4 big man on this team, find me a better 4th big in the league.  It's not his fault Rasheed has been awful and he is basically being called upon to be the best player on the bench.  I understand the issue with how a lot of these guys are playing, but don't you think a lot of the guys on the bench would be playing better if they were integrated better with the starters?  I really do believe that between Rondo, Allen, Pierce and KG, 2 of them should be on the floor at all times.  Doc seems to be one of the few coaches that will put out basically a full 5 of bench players.  

[FatjohnReturns]

He is not immature and frankly, I'm tired of the Baby-haters here. Immature is Perk's pouting, Sheed's screaming, KG's anger and cursing. BBD getting into a tussle and breaking his thumb is not immature. It's something that 23 year old do sometimes. BBD is the leader off the bench and would probably be better as our starter. He gets better every game he's back and last night was kept in longer for that reason. He needs some work on teasing the ball into the basket when he's boxed in, but it might also help to have some screening at the basket from our other players. His defense is the best on the team right now and his jump shot is coming back. He is well loved by his teammates and most of the fans.
Wake up haters. You are starting to sound so stupid.

Really not immature? Screaming at fans and getting fined? Breaking his hand the night before the season starts in a fight at 2 in the morning. Crying cause he doesnt want to be a role player. He needs to FOCUS on his job cause we do need him.

[Chris]

He is not immature and frankly, I'm tired of the Baby-haters here. Immature is Perk's pouting, Sheed's screaming, KG's anger and cursing. BBD getting into a tussle and breaking his thumb is not immature. It's something that 23 year old do sometimes. BBD is the leader off the bench and would probably be better as our starter. He gets better every game he's back and last night was kept in longer for that reason. He needs some work on teasing the ball into the basket when he's boxed in, but it might also help to have some screening at the basket from our other players. His defense is the best on the team right now and his jump shot is coming back. He is well loved by his teammates and most of the fans.
Wake up haters. You are starting to sound so stupid.

OK, first, I need to put my mod hat on here, and point out that we don't allow the "haters" talk on this site.  Make your point, but you do not need to call out other posters you don't agree with, and attack them with comments like that.

As for the rest of the post, I agree that the complaints about Davis have been vastly over stated, and he has done a decent job so far this year, and was exceptional yesterday.  However, he absolutely is immature (as is Perk).  Between the thumb injury, his comments about his nickname, and his cussing at fans, he is most certainly immature.  The issue is that I don't think his immaturity really affects him when he is on the court.

[BballTim]

He is not immature and frankly, I'm tired of the Baby-haters here. Immature is Perk's pouting, Sheed's screaming, KG's anger and cursing. BBD getting into a tussle and breaking his thumb is not immature. It's something that 23 year old do sometimes. BBD is the leader off the bench and would probably be better as our starter. He gets better every game he's back and last night was kept in longer for that reason. He needs some work on teasing the ball into the basket when he's boxed in, but it might also help to have some screening at the basket from our other players. His defense is the best on the team right now and his jump shot is coming back. He is well loved by his teammates and most of the fans.
Wake up haters. You are starting to sound so stupid.

OK, first, I need to put my mod hat on here, and point out that we don't allow the "haters" talk on this site.  Make your point, but you do not need to call out other posters you don't agree with, and attack them with comments like that.

As for the rest of the post, I agree that the complaints about Davis have been vastly over stated, and he has done a decent job so far this year, and was exceptional yesterday.  However, he absolutely is immature (as is Perk).  Between the thumb injury, his comments about his nickname, and his cussing at fans, he is most certainly immature.  The issue is that I don't think his immaturity really affects him when he is on the court.

  So he's not allowed to call people haters, but he's allowed to tell people they sound stupid? Interesting.

[wdleehi]

He is not immature and frankly, I'm tired of the Baby-haters here. Immature is Perk's pouting, Sheed's screaming, KG's anger and cursing. BBD getting into a tussle and breaking his thumb is not immature. It's something that 23 year old do sometimes. BBD is the leader off the bench and would probably be better as our starter. He gets better every game he's back and last night was kept in longer for that reason. He needs some work on teasing the ball into the basket when he's boxed in, but it might also help to have some screening at the basket from our other players. His defense is the best on the team right now and his jump shot is coming back. He is well loved by his teammates and most of the fans.
Wake up haters. You are starting to sound so stupid.

OK, first, I need to put my mod hat on here, and point out that we don't allow the "haters" talk on this site.  Make your point, but you do not need to call out other posters you don't agree with, and attack them with comments like that.

As for the rest of the post, I agree that the complaints about Davis have been vastly over stated, and he has done a decent job so far this year, and was exceptional yesterday.  However, he absolutely is immature (as is Perk).  Between the thumb injury, his comments about his nickname, and his cussing at fans, he is most certainly immature.  The issue is that I don't think his immaturity really affects him when he is on the court.

  So he's not allowed to call people haters, but he's allowed to tell people they sound stupid? Interesting.

OK.  No personal attacks.  Of any kind.   


Consider this a fair warning to all parties. 


Argue the points, not the posters.

[wdleehi]

Baby vs. Williams equals maybe one point, +/-, over a whole month.



Not the issue that will change the Celtics.

[Spilling Green Dye]

-He's undersized and not what we need at his position
-He has not improved his lift around the hoop and is a liability there.
-Some people really liked what Powe brought (including maturity), and so they pushed for more Powe minutes, which inherently meant less Davis.  
-He does not rotate well on defense and is not a shot blocker.  Our 2nd unit would really benefit from having a shot blocker so unfortunately the blame is partially on Davis (though it's not fair to blame him).

I flat out disagree with a few points here.

"he does not rotate well on defense" is just a fallacy. This might be the best part of his game. He is extremely quick laterally and gets to spots very, very well. With KG limping around, baby may be our best rotating big man.

"undersized and not what he need at his position" : He is our 4th big and produces very, very well. There are very few better 4th bigs in the league. What he lacks in height, he makes up for in bulk that he knows how to use, intelligence, and great lateral quickness.

Well I guess we disagree then, and I'm not sure how people think he is "the best defender on the team" (mmmbaby & others).  I think he has relatively quick feet and does a pretty good job of getting into position of drawing an offensive foul on the other team, but I think his rotations are bad.  I see him respond too slowly or not know exactly where to go multiple plays a game.  Personally I think Davis makes easy things look difficult.. i.e. where a better player would simply jog over and pickup the ball, Davis dives and flops around. 

As far as him being our 4th big, with a healthy team I don't want to see the 4th big get more than 5 minutes a game.  Thefore, it doesn't matter how good he is for a 4th big b/c on a playoff team (esp in the playoffs) b/c with a shortened rotation Davis will be left out, and rightfully so. 

The topic of this thread is crazy though.. Davis is not the issue.  It's the fact that this roster has to rely heavily on players of Davis' caliber.. THAT is the problem.  If the Celtics package Davis in a trade I'd be ecstatic.  I would welcome someone like Dalembert with open arms..

[OCsWestCeltic]

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Glenn Davis is the worst Celtic when on the court

The numbers don't lie - take a look

[Chris]

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Glenn Davis is the worst Celtic when on the court

The numbers don't lie - take a look

The numbers lie all the time.

[Fafnir]

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Glenn Davis is the worst Celtic when on the court

The numbers don't lie - take a look

http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2009-2010&mode=summary&sortnumber=21&sortorder=DESC&team=BOS

Adjusted +/- says the same. The problem is that the sample size is only 300 minutes, thats too small to be statistically signifigant.