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Time to start planning for the future
« on: February 07, 2010, 06:28:23 PM »

Offline vinnie

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9-11 in the last 20 games. Nine blown double digit leads in the last two months. 1-7 against Orlando and Atlanta and 2-8 when you add the Lakers and Cavs into the mix. Struggling to beat the dregs of the league. February or not, it is clear that this team is not a contender for the title and now is the time for Danny to put together a plan to start rebuilding. Let's go, Danny. I think everyone is on the block except Rondo and Pierce (of course, KG and Sheed are pretty much untradeable), even Perkins, who is turning into Sheed 2.0 before our very eyes.

Re: Time to start planning for the future
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 06:35:08 PM »

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Forgot to mention that KG didn't play against Atlanta in two games, that we played them two times in back to back and got screwed by the refs big time in our second home loss against them, that we had a one point loss to the Lakers after getting a 16 point lead earlier, that the losses to Orlando came after leading them in Orlando by 16 and by 11 in Boston.

Sure, they are still losses at the end of the day, but the big leads and our domination for one half every time show that our struggles have more to do with a problem of focus, execution, coaching and mindset that our level of talent against the other good teams.

So relax, no need for a panic move, especially now that we finally have all our players healthy.

Re: Time to start planning for the future
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 07:25:54 PM »

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Forgot to mention that KG didn't play against Atlanta in two games, that we played them two times in back to back and got screwed by the refs big time in our second home loss against them, that we had a one point loss to the Lakers after getting a 16 point lead earlier, that the losses to Orlando came after leading them in Orlando by 16 and by 11 in Boston.

Sure, they are still losses at the end of the day, but the big leads and our domination for one half every time show that our struggles have more to do with a problem of focus, execution, coaching and mindset that our level of talent against the other good teams.

So relax, no need for a panic move, especially now that we finally have all our players healthy.

Sorry Drucci, but end results are all that matters. This team hasn't proven that it can maintain big leads or beat quality teams. If we hadn't won a championship 2 years ago we would've already been counted out of the hunt this year. I'm definitely not ready to throw the towel in, but I wouldn't say someone's panicking cause they don't think this team can win. To be honest, I don't think there's any reason to favor this team over LA, Clev, Orl, or Atl in a 7 game series.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 07:44:59 PM »

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Forgot to mention that KG didn't play against Atlanta in two games, that we played them two times in back to back and got screwed by the refs big time in our second home loss against them, that we had a one point loss to the Lakers after getting a 16 point lead earlier, that the losses to Orlando came after leading them in Orlando by 16 and by 11 in Boston.

Sure, they are still losses at the end of the day, but the big leads and our domination for one half every time show that our struggles have more to do with a problem of focus, execution, coaching and mindset that our level of talent against the other good teams.

So relax, no need for a panic move, especially now that we finally have all our players healthy.

Sorry Drucci, but end results are all that matters. This team hasn't proven that it can maintain big leads or beat quality teams. If we hadn't won a championship 2 years ago we would've already been counted out of the hunt this year. I'm definitely not ready to throw the towel in, but I wouldn't say someone's panicking cause they don't think this team can win. To be honest, I don't think there's any reason to favor this team over LA, Clev, Orl, or Atl in a 7 game series.

There is a reason to favor this team over all the other contenders : this team is really, really talented at every position and is still an elite defensive team.

Doc summed up pretty well our current situation : he likes our team on paper but not "for real". He is right. We have the talent and all the pieces but we lack the mental toughness and the execution. Probably due to laziness or overconfidence, like we've witness these past few weeks.

However, it's much easier to fix a mental/attitude problem than a talent problem. Right now there are big causes for concern and I don't like the "we can switch it on whenever we want to" mentality but there are still plenty of time for this team to get back on track and start clicking once again.

Enough of the talking and the whining, let's start playing for 48 minutes and not 24.


Re: Time to start planning for the future
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2010, 07:57:41 PM »

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Forgot to mention that KG didn't play against Atlanta in two games, that we played them two times in back to back and got screwed by the refs big time in our second home loss against them, that we had a one point loss to the Lakers after getting a 16 point lead earlier, that the losses to Orlando came after leading them in Orlando by 16 and by 11 in Boston.

Sure, they are still losses at the end of the day, but the big leads and our domination for one half every time show that our struggles have more to do with a problem of focus, execution, coaching and mindset that our level of talent against the other good teams.

So relax, no need for a panic move, especially now that we finally have all our players healthy.

Sorry Drucci, but end results are all that matters. This team hasn't proven that it can maintain big leads or beat quality teams. If we hadn't won a championship 2 years ago we would've already been counted out of the hunt this year. I'm definitely not ready to throw the towel in, but I wouldn't say someone's panicking cause they don't think this team can win. To be honest, I don't think there's any reason to favor this team over LA, Clev, Orl, or Atl in a 7 game series.

There is a reason to favor this team over all the other contenders : this team is really, really talented at every position and is still an elite defensive team.

Doc summed up pretty well our current situation : he likes our team on paper but not "for real". He is right. We have the talent and all the pieces but we lack the mental toughness and the execution. Probably due to laziness or overconfidence, like we've witness these past few weeks.

However, it's much easier to fix a mental/attitude problem than a talent problem. Right now there are big causes for concern and I don't like the "we can switch it on whenever we want to" mentality but there are still plenty of time for this team to get back on track and start clicking once again.

Enough of the talking and the whining, let's start playing for 48 minutes and not 24.



"On paper" LAL, Cleveland, and Orlando sound just as good, and they aren't to shabby "for real" either. There's no reason to think this team will all of a sudden figure it all out. Even if we did it would still be a dogfight to the end.

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2010, 10:46:17 PM »

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Quick question for those of you who still believe and always point back to the Spurs one year or the 1969 Celtics. How many teams have actually intentionally coasted through the year and have then been able to automatically turn it back on and win it all? My guess is very few. That is why looking at this team, I think if Danny can get some good deals now, he needs to make them to being the rebuilding process. Either that or just play out the year and watch this team go out in the second round.

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2010, 11:01:58 PM »

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I have to agree with this.  I have tried to stay positive throughout the first half of this season. We have dealt with injuries and at times it seemed like our losses were more about focus and execution than anything else.

But at what point (to take a phrase from Bill) do you have to say, "you are what you are."  I don't see how this team can head into the playoffs as currently constituted and win 4 consecutive grueling series.

If you can get younger and put yourself in better position for the future I think you have to do it.  A guy like Iggy would not risk anything we could accomplish this year anyway.  The question is, can we get anyone in here like that.  Lets hope Danny can work some more magic.


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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 11:13:34 PM »

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The team isn't looking great, but you never know.  For instance, the '95 Rockets went 38-35 over their last 73 games (and 25-25 over their last 50) and still won a title.  This team still has the talent to beat anybody.

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Re: Time to start planning for the future
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 11:24:02 PM »

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The team isn't looking great, but you never know.  For instance, the '95 Rockets went 38-35 over their last 73 games (and 25-25 over their last 50) and still won a title.  This team still has the talent to beat anybody.

While I don't agree with you Roy in terms of the C's chances this year, I do agree that a few teams have been able to do it. I would argue, however, that it is definitely the exception rather than the rule and the odds are long against it happening.

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 11:52:25 PM »

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We need to stop playing like a bunch of women out there and get our hearts in the right places. It is the same old complaint I have had against this team since our 1st home loss to Atlanta last November.
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