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Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 11:26:18 AM »

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Perkins is already getting to many touches. I'd like to see a downgrade on his efforts to construct points for himself.

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 11:26:45 AM »

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I don't want Kendrick Gilmore taking more shots...  I wish his hands were as solid as his grimace... >:(
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Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2010, 11:27:55 AM »

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Perk shoots 60 percent. If he took all the shots the team would shoot 60 percent. He should shoot all the shots.

He shoots about 45% on individual postups, so I'd disagree.

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 11:30:55 AM »

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That is pure speculation about Perk!

KP is the one that has always known his role on the team. Defense, rebounding, setting picks...

I don`t believe he is the problem at all. But I do agree that we should go to him in the post if he is defended by a smaller guy. I hate it when we are just shooting jumpers...

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2010, 11:31:21 AM »

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Perk shoots 60 percent. If he took all the shots the team would shoot 60 percent. He should shoot all the shots.

He shoots about 45% on individual postups, so I'd disagree.
Link?

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2010, 11:32:18 AM »

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That is pure speculation about Perk!

KP is the one that has always known his role on the team. Defense, rebounding, setting picks...

I don`t believe he is the problem at all. But I do agree that we should go to him in the post if he is defended by a smaller guy. I hate it when we are just shooting jumpers...

that was before everyone kept reminding him of his stellar shooting percentage figures, and the team was mired in slumps...  maybe his new bride is suggesting this to help make him more money... ;) j/k...
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Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 11:32:27 AM »

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I dont' know if the article was taken out of context or what...but I'm on Perks side here--gimme the ball inside and lets play smash mouth basketball.  We aint phoenix--  >:(  scowl

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2010, 11:37:16 AM »

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Perk shoots 60 percent. If he took all the shots the team would shoot 60 percent. He should shoot all the shots.

He shoots about 45% on individual postups, so I'd disagree.

Perk is terrific in his role - but he still takes too long to load up when he catches the ball.  His hands are fine, it's his release that is slow.  Really posting him up early in the shot clock makes sense since he can be a willing passer.  But isos for Perk does not efficient offense make.

I will defend Perk on the turnovers.  Perk is a turnover machine - but the vast majority of them are moving picks - and since he is the best pick setter in the league, the moving pick is an acceptable cost.  Dead ball turnovers do not screw your transition defense up. 

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2010, 11:37:43 AM »

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I wouldn't mind Perk getting more touches if he learned to pass the ball better, and looked to do it more often.  As it is, he catches the ball, freezes for a second or so, dribbles 2 or 3 times while backing into the guy, then makes some kind of move or gets doubled and looks to pass.  Meanwhile the offense has ground to a halt.  

Perk is right overall that the Big 3 is slipping so the team needs to look for other players to shoulder some of the load on O, but his game is not as developed as he seems to believe it is.  

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2010, 11:37:47 AM »

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Well, he dunks at close to 100% and half his shots are dunks.  That's why his shooting percentage is so high.  He ought to be buying dinner for Rondo every night.

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2010, 11:39:44 AM »

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Perk shoots 60 percent. If he took all the shots the team would shoot 60 percent. He should shoot all the shots.

He shoots about 45% on individual postups, so I'd disagree.
Link?


I hope everyone knows I was kidding but that statement was about as credible as this article which is p--- poor reporting and speculation with no facts.


But, yeah do you have a link? That is an interesting stat.

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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2010, 11:45:51 AM »

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That is pure speculation about Perk!

KP is the one that has always known his role on the team. Defense, rebounding, setting picks...

I don`t believe he is the problem at all. But I do agree that we should go to him in the post if he is defended by a smaller guy. I hate it when we are just shooting jumpers...

that was before everyone kept reminding him of his stellar shooting percentage figures, and the team was mired in slumps...  maybe his new bride is suggesting this to help make him more money... ;) j/k...
well, maybe he had some point. The team has been clearly coasting, waiting for the playoffs, and he sees Rondo, Pierce, and KG getting all-star considerations, he's leading the league in FG% and is considered one of the best defensive centers, so why not try to get some more touches to get into the all-star game this year? Once the all-star game is over, either way, there is plenty of time to get back to total team dedication, when the rest of the guys get back from injury and/or wake themselves up.

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2010, 11:59:41 AM »

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Perk shoots 60 percent. If he took all the shots the team would shoot 60 percent. He should shoot all the shots.

He shoots about 45% on individual postups, so I'd disagree.
Link?


I hope everyone knows I was kidding but that statement was about as credible as this article which is **** poor reporting and speculation with no facts.


But, yeah do you have a link? That is an interesting stat.

Jumping in here, the closest thing that I'd see to a link would be from 82games.com ( http://www.82games.com/0910/09BOS15.HTM ).  But it doesn't separate out post moves, so I'd have to speculate based on their breakdown.  

Jump: 31% of his shots, 37.7% EFG, 55% of the makes are assisted
Close: 55% of his shots, 70.1% EFG, 68% are assisted
Dunk: 12% of his shots, 95.1% EFG, 90% of them are assisted
Tips: 1% of his shots, 50% EFG

Overall: 62.7% EFG, 69% of them are assisted

My understanding is that "close" means layups and/or shots right at the rim that aren't dunks or tips.  I'd therefore consider "jump" to encompass the majority of Perk's post moves that end in jump hooks or turnarounds.  These are the least assisted shots in Perk's repertoire, so they probably encompass most of his post moves.  Especially since I rarely if remember Perk just taking spot-up 15 footers, it would seem to me that most of these "jumpers" are foul-line and in and many come off of his post moves.

"Close" would encompass the post moves that end in a layup, dishes from teammates that lead to layups, and rebounds that he doesn't tip.  Almost 70% of these shots are assisted, though, so not so many off post moves.  But this is where he shoots the majority of his shots, so even with the 70% figure it could still be almost as many post moves as found in "jumpers".  Hard to tell.

A few of his post moves end in dunks, but considering that 95% of those shots are assisted I think we can safely excluse this from the calculation.

No way I could come up with a number as specific as 45%, but considering that he shoots 38% from the area with the fewest assists I don't think that estimate is too far-fetched. 

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2010, 12:00:46 PM »

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I actually was guessing that Ray and Rondo were talking about PP rather than KP.  

Their comments after the Miami game were similarly implying that the team needed to get back to a more team oriented game in the 4th quarters; with more passing, moving without the ball and finding the open man with less isos and one on 5 moves... Who could they possibly have been talking about their?

Re: Ray The Locker Room Problem? Perk Wants More Shots?
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2010, 12:02:56 PM »

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 :P Perk want more shot ???
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